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Pokay wrote:
Even according to the most ridiculous assumption that fundamental forces do not require a cause, we still have our work cut out for us to figure out how power can come from nothing; in that case there is still much that could change our reality if it became known to us. If power came from nothing then we might be close to knowing something absolute if we could ever figure that one out.
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1. It's not an assumption. It's not something we can know at this point. I don't think I can say this any clearer for you.

2. You aren't using the word "power" correctly.

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Did I shrink some of your stuff again?
Those tank tops don't have labels so I don't know how to wash them correctly.
The blood stains are always in the front around the neck area.

Hey, I don't always ask what day it is. Don't judge.

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<quoted text> Why? Because I believe in a higher power? There are no scientists that believe in a higher power? Top physicists believe in God, it has nothing to do with science. What I am saying is that I would trust my own senses in a case of evidence for or against a higher power.
No, it's the argument I'm critiquing. You cannot say "you don't know X, therefore God exists." That's an argument from ignorance.

You're welcome to believe whatever you want.
And science speaks more to my senses than any religion does.
It certainly does, but you don't seem to grasp it very well.
But it cannot address anything of that nature so quit making something out of nothing.
Uhm...you are the one arguing for absolutes and causes when we have evidence of none.
You're not addressing my questions. You're diverting like a politician.
I'm correcting your misunderstandings - it's plain for anyone here to see.
Of course, it's not possible to do anything from an absolute position because no such position exists in our reality that we know of.
Exactly.
That doesn't have any bearing on whether one should believe that science could ever figure out anything absolute. You said science can never figure out anything absolute; I didn't say it.
I stand by that.
Yea tell me more about what I'm not capable of understanding rather than fessing up that you had no reason to take that approach other than to smokescreen.
If you like. When you describe science, you get pretty much everything wrong. Either you aren't capable of explaining what's in your head, truly don't understand science, or some mixture of both.

Your subsequent musings on science and pretenses to drawing conclusions are wildly and amusingly incorrect.

Is there any thing else of yours you'd like me to critique?

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<quoted text>"listed as a sin"....but listed by whom? You honestly believe it came directly from God? If we all followed a doctrine to the T it would be a perfect world, not in terms of absolute perfection (well we can not be sure what absolute perfection is like) but in the eyes of whomever wrote the doctrine. But how can you write a doctrine when you can't get two people to agree on what the meaning of death is? "Punishable by death". What if death is just a door to the next place or life? Death then doesn't sound so bad. How can anyone of us claim to know what death is all about or that the Bible somehow is an authority on it; how do you know it is authentic? You don't. We know what it looks like from this side (objectively) but we have no idea if the subjective experience continues through death in the case our consciousness continues on.
Science is not an authority on the subjective exoperience of death and neither is the Bible. I don't see how one can be so blind as to have 100% conviction in it.
This post of yours, Pokay, I agree with.

It would be nice to have an afterlife.

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Pokay wrote:
<quoted text>Oh boy here we go, you never seem to run out of diversions. First of all a hypothesis is basically an assumption anyway. We test the assumption and see what we get. If we get something we might call it a scientific fact. If not, we let it go, try again using a different approach, or, in this case, we arbitrarily call it fundamental if we can't dissect it any more.
What science was ever "framed around absolute reference points"? That concept cannot even be approached. And even if it could, we all know that just because it is beyond science at this time doesn't mean it isn't possible. According to your philosophy we have nothing to look forward to in science. May as well pack it all in.
.. so nice to see you're teaching a scientist about hypotheses ..

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Is there any thing else of yours you'd like me to critique?
Yeah.

Do these pants make me look fat?

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Hidingfromyou wrote:
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I knew what you meant, Pokay, but it was written so as to proclaim life a living hell. So I had fun with it.
I don't think you fully understand my position: we know of no absolutes, we can test nothing from an absolute position and absolutes don't help us in our scientific understanding of the universe. Unless "there are no absolutes" is a message of an absolute, I'm not sure what to give you.
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Whatever Hiding, You have more time than I do. I'll give you this reply then you can say whatever you want behind my back. "Absolutes don't help us in ou understanding of the universe"? We have to have an absolute before you can even say something like that. If we had an absolute it would surely help us in our understanding pretty much by definition. Absolute Truth, yea who needs that right? Science is after absolute lies huh?
What is this power you speak of? Can you mathematically diagram it for me?
Don't you ever get tired of diverting? If you really mean what you say then you have no understanding of science. By definition a force has power. Doesn't matter if it's a fundamental force or not. Fundamental forces cause other things; they translate their power to give rise to the reality we live in. You're saying it's absurd that a fundamental force should have a cause.

Whatever Hiding. You're just doing your thing for "the cause". Even if you convert one person in your lifetime to atheism, your life will be worth it. Go get 'em.

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Pokay wrote:
<quoted text>Can't beat the brotherhood around here I tell ya. I didn't claim YD threatened or didn't threaten anyone, I assumed she didn't threaten anyone. If I said "I bet...." I didn't mean that literally. Did she threaten anyone? You tell me. And did someone from topix stalk her or harrass her in any similar way? You tell me. I'm just drawing conclusions from what nano said. She's been around here longer than I have.
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Pokay wrote:
<quoted text>Whatever Hiding, You have more time than I do. I'll give you this reply then you can say whatever you want behind my back.

Whatever Hiding. You're just doing your thing for "the cause". Even if you convert one person in your lifetime to atheism, your life will be worth it. Go get 'em.
Dude, really.

That was lame.

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Hidingfromyou wrote:
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No, it's the argument I'm critiquing. You cannot say "you don't know X, therefore God exists." That's an argument from ignorance.
You're welcome to believe whatever you want.
Again, I am not saying, "therefore God exists". There is a BIG difference between believing something exists and saying it does indeed exist. The fat tht we cannot identify any more root cause is not the reason I believe in a higher power. It is only one little tiny contribution to the whole mixing pot of things it takes me to reach my belief. It took me twenty five years to reach my conviction, I didn't just believe a higher power exists because I don't know X.

And you cannot say that "you do know X, therefore God does NOT exist".

OK now you can talk behind my back, I'm outta here. It's like falling into a snake pit when I come in here sometimes.

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Pokay wrote:
Even according to the most ridiculous assumption that fundamental forces do not require a cause, we still have our work cut out for us to figure out how power can come from nothing; in that case there is still much that could change our reality if it became known to us. If power came from nothing then we might be close to knowing something absolute if we could ever figure that one out.
The paradoxical nature of the universe doesn't have to make sense to you. The fact that to "you" it doesn't seem possible to have happened without a first cause is a meaningless , philosophical and religious argument based on nothing more than misconception lack of understanding and the belief there had to be a creator.

To which there is not a single observation or shred of evidence to qualify.

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<quoted text>the concept of "sin" is designed by religion to control people's behavior. It allows manipulation of the majority by the elite.
I dont want to look like I am arguing semantics but it is an important distinction I'd like to make. It isnt the concept of sin that is problamatic as it is simply a moral code.The control comes from fear and consequences of sin, especially what I view is an unsupported belief that hell is eternal for mortals when that only holds true for the false prophet and beast. The Bible teaches anillihation, which is what Christ taught and it what Judaism believes. But the threat of suffering forever coupled with the guilt of never being good enough or worthy has long been used as a means of control. And in many ways organized religion is little more than a pyramid scheme. But corrupt members dont invalidate Jesus' teachings any more than corrupt politicians invalidate what this country stands for.(T) PEACE

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Happy Lesbo wrote:
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Arrogance huh? Please tell me what is arrogant in what I wrote. I asked nicely for answers because I didn't know them. You claimed to know them. That pretty much answers my question then, thanks. So YD *was* harrassed. You guys are twisted.

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Catcher1 wrote:
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Dude, really.
That was lame.
....but accurate.

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Happy Lesbo wrote:
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Can't use loose terms around you? "lesbian sexual activity" sounds pretty loose to me. Yea Hiding is a scientist, that doesn't know the fundamental relationship between force and power.

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Pokay wrote:
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OK now you can talk behind my back, I'm outta here. It's like falling into a snake pit when I come in here sometimes.
Very theatrical, with the paranoia and the snake pit thing.

You could even have called it satan's snakepit of eternal torment or some other scary thing.

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Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>Science hasnt found evidence of intelligent life on other planets or for abiogenesis. So it is a certainty to you neither exists? If we cant even find any other intelligent life forms yet even though most people believe it is possible and even likely and God would be the top of that list then you are actually proving why absense of proof is not the same as proof of absense. That is some monumental hubris to think nothing exists that man hasnt proven yet..
rewrite this, see if you can get it to say something.

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Aura Mytha wrote:
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The paradoxical nature of the universe doesn't have to make sense to you. The fact that to "you" it doesn't seem possible to have happened without a first cause is a meaningless , philosophical and religious argument based on nothing more than misconception lack of understanding and the belief there had to be a creator.
To which there is not a single observation or shred of evidence to qualify.
And more of the gang gangs up. I am speaking scientifically; there is no religion in my words except to say this all started with me comparing science to religion; that they both are based on fundamental assumptions.

Actually I'll give you that one can argue science doesn't necessarily assume fundamental forces are indeed fundamental. And that's all Hiding had to say and I would have said, "yea I suppose you're right". But she had to go and embarrass herself by going into "smokescreen mode" and telling me that she believes science can never attain anything absolute and that it's absurd to assume fundamental forces have no more fundamental of a cause.

So I may have to modify what I originally wrote. Let's see. Maybe I would have been better off by prequalifying it with, "if science wants to declare that fundamental forces are indeed fundamental, then we are basing science on an assumption". And Hiding is pretty much pushing for them being fundamental, without a cause. You seem to be doing it as well.

All I was getting at was that the absolute answers might change everything about what we thought we knew. And with that I'll remind you that science does actually operate on one thing that is irrefutably an assumption. That assumption is that we are observing a first order reality. How do we know that what we see is what we get? Until we can connect it to something absolute this could all be an illusion. Not saying it is, but it could be. You wouldn't want to assume it isn't either right? Not based on anything scientific anyway right?

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