“I never claimed to be Perfect”

Since: Nov 10

just better than yesterday

#558608 Nov 3, 2012
River Tam wrote:
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Who do you see that from most here, Al?
I'll PM you with that River

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#558609 Nov 3, 2012
Pokay wrote:
<quoted text>Whatever Hiding, You have more time than I do. I'll give you this reply then you can say whatever you want behind my back. "Absolutes don't help us in ou understanding of the universe"? We have to have an absolute before you can even say something like that. If we had an absolute it would surely help us in our understanding pretty much by definition. Absolute Truth, yea who needs that right? Science is after absolute lies huh?
<quoted text>Don't you ever get tired of diverting? If you really mean what you say then you have no understanding of science. By definition a force has power. Doesn't matter if it's a fundamental force or not. Fundamental forces cause other things; they translate their power to give rise to the reality we live in. You're saying it's absurd that a fundamental force should have a cause.
Whatever Hiding. You're just doing your thing for "the cause". Even if you convert one person in your lifetime to atheism, your life will be worth it. Go get 'em.
Incorrect, she has more education than you.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#558610 Nov 3, 2012
Al Garcia wrote:
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That may true Kitten, but your objective data doesn't help humanity sort out "subjective truth," meaning the truth for which helps explain the meaning of our existence, meaning of our lifelong voyage from life through to the meaning of death.
There is a great part of our humanity that needs more than what those sets of objective static facts to be assimilated can provide.
Both are needed of course and don't necessarily negate each other. But can work to explain the unexplainable.
Now you're entering into existentialism, the meaning of existence? Why does there have to be a meaning to anything?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#558611 Nov 3, 2012
River Tam wrote:
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You didn't choose to be gay. You were born that way. Face it. Deal with it. Embrace it.
Come on wittle boi, you can do it. First step:
Say, I'm gay.
I'm right here big boi.
Say, I'm gay.
Come on.
Say I'm gay !!!!!!!
You're gay.

There, I said it.
endtime

AOL

#558612 Nov 3, 2012
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Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#558613 Nov 3, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
You're gay.
There, I said it.
I'm gay.

I think you missed the point.

I'm sure it's my fault.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#558614 Nov 3, 2012
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm gay.
I think you missed the point.
I'm sure it's my fault.
No, you missed my joke. ;)

Of course it's an old joke, probably as stale as me.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#558615 Nov 3, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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No, you missed my joke. ;)
Of course it's an old joke, probably as stale as me.
Forgive me for being young.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#558616 Nov 3, 2012
River Tam wrote:
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Forgive me for being young.
Forgive me for being a dinosaur ....

... comparatively, I'm not a creationist so I don't actually think ... you know ... I think. Gah, I'm old.
dnky oe

Dallas, TX

#558617 Nov 3, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
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Smallpox
Typhoid Fever
Influenza
Bubonic Plague
Cholera
Anthrax
Malaria
SARS
Ebola
HIV/AIDS
Alot of these diseases were made from filth and the fact that we are imperfect and so our bodies cant fight off these diseases the way they were originally meant to. And yes there are some mutations within these diseases but these are after the fact. These came from poor living conditions and people living very close to each other but there origins werent off mutation or evolution alone.
dnky oe

Dallas, TX

#558618 Nov 3, 2012
boooots wrote:
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Very true and we know that because we have seen both the object and the maker, in many of those cases. We have seen the objects which believers claim that God has made, but not any human being, including the mythical ones from the Bible have seen any gods, of any description. We know that man has always imagined gods and then created stories and descriptions to fit whatever it was that he imagined.
We know that man is the creator of God and of other gods that some men worship or worshiped in the past.
We don't know that any entity created the things that were not created by man. These things were either all here before we were born, or were created by man since we were born, so stating that these things were all created and required a creator is true, but we don't "know' that the other things of which you attach God as the creator to, were actually 'created'.
We have pretty good evidence of how many of the things we see, that man had no hand in creating, did come to be what they are today, and that did not require a supernatural entity to create those things, because the process was all natural.
So we see these creations of man and but yet we also see things man can barely explain and attribute them chance, though these other creation far surpass mans intellect or understanding. Who would be believe a man threw a bunch of metal, electronics and rubber into a pile and came back sometime later to find a lamborghini. And then believe no one touched that pile.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#558619 Nov 3, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
What do you see as current day sins against science?
The continuous undermining of the trust and respect for scientific opinion. That has significantly damaged America's scientific literacy, which is reflected in the photos of graduate departments in the technical departments of the leading American universities. A disproportionate fraction of those names and faces are foreign students, many of which will take their educations and skills back home.

As a result, American scientific competitiveness on the world stage is plummeting. From "Is America Losing Its Edge?" at http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/america-lo...

"The United States' global primacy depends in large part on its ability to develop new technologies and industries faster than anyone else. For the last five decades, U.S. scientific innovation and technological entrepreneurship have ensured the country's economic prosperity and military power. It was Americans who invented and commercialized the semiconductor, the personal computer, and the Internet; other countries merely followed the U.S. lead.

"Today, however, this technological edge-so long taken for granted-may be slipping, and the most serious challenge is coming from Asia. Through competitive tax policies, increased investment in research and development (R&D), and preferential policies for science and technology (S&T) personnel, Asian governments are improving the quality of their science and ensuring the exploitation of future innovations. The percentage of patents issued to and science journal articles published by scientists in China, Singapore, South Korea, and Taiwan is rising.

"Indian companies are quickly becoming the second-largest producers of application services in the world, developing, supplying, and managing database and other types of software for clients around the world.

"South Korea has rapidly eaten away at the U.S. advantage in the manufacture of computer chips and telecommunications software.

"And even China has made impressive gains in advanced technologies such as lasers, biotechnology, and advanced materials used in semiconductors, aerospace, and many other types of manufacturing."

Besides severely damaging America's scientific competitiveness, the anti-scientism seems to be having a devastating effect in the area of climate science. Were you aware that America is the only major player on the world scene that refused to sign onto the Kyoto Protocol? From Wiki:

"The Protocol was initially adopted on 11 December 1997 in Kyoto, Japan, and entered into force on 16 February 2005. As of September 2011, 191 states have signed and ratified the protocol. The only remaining signatory not to have ratified the protocol is the United States. Other United Nations member states which did not ratify the protocol are Afghanistan, Andorra and South Sudan. In December 2011, Canada withdrew from the Protocol."

How proud America must be to be in that elite group. Although there are other elements at play, I blame the Christian echo chamber in large part for that for that. I'm sure you've seen how many of the Christians in these threads post about science. That can't be good or healthy for the nation.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#558620 Nov 3, 2012
Teez wrote:
Killing in religion is a very controversial subject. I cannot say its wrong
I can.
headlines

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#558621 Nov 3, 2012
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“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#558622 Nov 3, 2012
Teez wrote:
if you believe that all that planets, stars, etc., are created by processes that God has nothing to do with, what then is the purpose of a God?
Good question.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#558623 Nov 3, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
it is more rational to believe a sentient force that is clearly extremely intelligent was behind the making of such a vast and working universe and not chance where life formed from non-life.
Your argument has a glaring deficiency. Any argument against a singularity or a primordial cell forming without a creator is perforce an even stronger argument against the existence of a god existing by chance.

How much more unlikely is it that an infinite, immortal, sentient, moral, omnipotent, and omniscient being would exist without an intelligent designer than a germ or a speck would?

Yours is the flawed argument commonly offered by those with a psychological urge to believe, but who feel a need to dress it in the language of reason. What belies the sincerity of the argument is the ease with which it is rejected when applied to the god itself. Then, we typically hear that the arguments simply don't apply to the god for whatever reason, a logical fallacy called special pleading.

I call that urge to believe a "god need," and I suspect that it may be an instinct, like the ability to experience humor or beauty, or to learn a first language. It needs to be nurtured and conditioned to flower, but it would never get off the ground if there weren't an inborn affinity for it first. You just can't make a parakeet laugh or worship.

Why don't we all have that instinct? Perhaps we do. That doesn't validate it. I also have an instinct to cheat on my wife. I try to control the instincts that don't serve me well.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#558624 Nov 3, 2012
dnky oe wrote:
<quoted text> So we see these creations of man and but yet we also see things man can barely explain and attribute them chance, though these other creation far surpass mans intellect or understanding. Who would be believe a man threw a bunch of metal, electronics and rubber into a pile and came back sometime later to find a lamborghini. And then believe no one touched that pile.
A rock is not a car.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#558625 Nov 3, 2012
dnky oe wrote:
<quoted text> Alot of these diseases were made from filth and the fact that we are imperfect and so our bodies cant fight off these diseases the way they were originally meant to. And yes there are some mutations within these diseases but these are after the fact. These came from poor living conditions and people living very close to each other but there origins werent off mutation or evolution alone.
Cop-out non-answer. You don't understand them so you just say "god dun it with magicks" and don't even have the courage to admit you don't know.

“wat doet een Doozer doen?”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#558626 Nov 3, 2012
"Romans 13:1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God."

So if romney wins, we should all become mormons?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#558627 Nov 3, 2012
nanoanomaly wrote:
I've been nice and civil for a looooooooong time and then I decided to give back what they've always dished out to me. Funny how it's ok for these idjits to threaten and stalk people but I'm not supposed to mirror their offensive behavior back at them
Have a ball.

People don't suddenly just get tired of being being kind and become the polar opposite because of the content of Topix posts.

I've never known you to be any other way in the two to three years that we have been posting in the same threads. In that time, you have never been friendly to anybody except when you're drunk, and then it's just racy flirting, not kindness.

So, if you've changed, it was before I ran into you. The Sheila I know has always been a curmudgeon - permanently irascible and cantankerous, bellicose and belligerent. You are in permanent rattlesnake mode. I hope it feels better than it sounds.

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