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#558541 Nov 2, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>Why isn't there a religion that is incapable of having bigotry?
The irony is that Christianty when followed properly would discourage bigotry of any kind. Yes homosexuality is listed as a sin.(a discussion for a diff day is if the word used for it in the NT really means gay prostitute) But there are 668 sins listed in the Bible. All sins are equally punishable by death. Many sins are spoken in much, much harsher terms by Christ who only mentions it one time in a list of a dozen sins of the flesh He also says judge not yet ye be judged, judge in the same manner you would have yourself judged, to love your neighbor, enemy, and brother and to leave the judging to the Father. As Christians the most we are allowed to do is recognize what is a sin. So these ppl were bigots and would be regardless of their faith. They use it as an excuse hoping it makes the ugliness in their souls seem less offensIve to themselves and others.(T) PEACE

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#558542 Nov 2, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
You stated that science began with assumptions about the fundamental forces, which is backwards. Science began with hypotheses and tested them, eventually discovering the four forces. It continues to test how these work, how they are related and so on.
When science works by assumptions, these are stated - and you can dispute them. That's not a problem.
"Absolute reference points don't exist."
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Yes.
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Huh?
Because science that was framed around absolute reference points failed.
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That's an inference you're drawing, not an evidence supported deduction.
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I don't agree with you. I haven't stated a claim previously, but there's no reason to suppose the forces of the universe require a cause. They may be uncaused or caused - I am not capable of knowing which.
Oh boy here we go, you never seem to run out of diversions. First of all a hypothesis is basically an assumption anyway. We test the assumption and see what we get. If we get something we might call it a scientific fact. If not, we let it go, try again using a different approach, or, in this case, we arbitrarily call it fundamental if we can't dissect it any more.

What science was ever "framed around absolute reference points"? That concept cannot even be approached. And even if it could, we all know that just because it is beyond science at this time doesn't mean it isn't possible. According to your philosophy we have nothing to look forward to in science. May as well pack it all in.

There's no reason to suppose the fundamental forces require a cause? You are nuts. Yea the power that they translate must come from 'nothing' then right? That makes total sense huh? Any scientist in their right mind would bank on there being more fundamental causes to be dissected. All you are interested in is smokescreeening. What have you to fear here? Most people that blindly believe the Bible, don't understand the level of science we are talking about anyway.

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#558543 Nov 2, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
The religion you are invoking is not exemplary of all human religions, but of the one you know, Christianity. Why choose that one over any other to pit against science?
I choose science, over religion, ya dingleberry; any religion for that matter. I don't get the relevence here.
Yes, science does not have absolute answers. It's not possible that science will ever produce absolute answers. If you want to subsequently claim "therefore a higher power exists" you're making an argument based on ignorance
Now you're insulting the science you believe in? How do you know science will never be able to get there? You just made a great argument for believing in a higher power. And just like a broken record, you keep putting words in my mouth; I'm not saying "therefore a higher power exists" I am saying that I *believe* that one exists.

You're the one implying it cannot possibly exist.

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#558544 Nov 2, 2012
Diversion diversion diversion, and then, "geez why can't you be civil to me"? I think I'm being quite civil to you Hiding, considering.

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#558545 Nov 2, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>The irony is that Christianty when followed properly would discourage bigotry of any kind. Yes homosexuality is listed as a sin.(a discussion for a diff day is if the word used for it in the NT really means gay prostitute) But there are 668 sins listed in the Bible. All sins are equally punishable by death. Many sins are spoken in much, much harsher terms by Christ who only mentions it one time in a list of a dozen sins of the flesh He also says judge not yet ye be judged, judge in the same manner you would have yourself judged, to love your neighbor, enemy, and brother and to leave the judging to the Father. As Christians the most we are allowed to do is recognize what is a sin. So these ppl were bigots and would be regardless of their faith. They use it as an excuse hoping it makes the ugliness in their souls seem less offensIve to themselves and others.(T) PEACE
"listed as a sin"....but listed by whom? You honestly believe it came directly from God? If we all followed a doctrine to the T it would be a perfect world, not in terms of absolute perfection (well we can not be sure what absolute perfection is like) but in the eyes of whomever wrote the doctrine. But how can you write a doctrine when you can't get two people to agree on what the meaning of death is? "Punishable by death". What if death is just a door to the next place or life? Death then doesn't sound so bad. How can anyone of us claim to know what death is all about or that the Bible somehow is an authority on it; how do you know it is authentic? You don't. We know what it looks like from this side (objectively) but we have no idea if the subjective experience continues through death in the case our consciousness continues on.

Science is not an authority on the subjective exoperience of death and neither is the Bible. I don't see how one can be so blind as to have 100% conviction in it.

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Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#558546 Nov 2, 2012
Pokay wrote:
<quoted text>Oh boy here we go, you never seem to run out of diversions. First of all a hypothesis is basically an assumption anyway.
No, a hypothesis is not. That's about as wrong as you can be. An hypothesis is a testable relationship between two variables - it's the opposite of an assumption.
We test the assumption and see what we get. If we get something we might call it a scientific fact.
No, we never do that. If the hypothesis is tested and not disproved, it is evidence that our hypothesis may be correct - in that situation. The hypothesis would need repeated testing to be confirmed (and it would only be confirmed for the situations we tested it within).
If not, we let it go, try again using a different approach, or, in this case, we arbitrarily call it fundamental if we can't dissect it any more.
No again. You really have no clue how science works Pokay. Why do you presume to tell us how it works?

If an hypothesis is disproved, the data is analyzed for why it is disproved. Alternative models are tested - if these continue to be disproved, the original theory needs examining. If it is conclusively disproved, it's discarded.
What science was ever "framed around absolute reference points"? That concept cannot even be approached.
Newtonian physics. Freudian psychology. Basically any 19 and some early 20th century sciences.
And even if it could, we all know that just because it is beyond science at this time doesn't mean it isn't possible. According to your philosophy we have nothing to look forward to in science. May as well pack it all in.
Are you purposely playing opposites?

Why would science ever stop discovering new information? What do you mean by "nothing to look forward to?" Science isn't trying to validate your personal religious beliefs, Pokay.
There's no reason to suppose the fundamental forces require a cause? You are nuts. Yea the power that they translate must come from 'nothing' then right? That makes total sense huh? Any scientist in their right mind would bank on there being more fundamental causes to be dissected. All you are interested in is smokescreeening. What have you to fear here? Most people that blindly believe the Bible, don't understand the level of science we are talking about anyway.
See? You are incapable of reasoned discussion, you need to throw some attacks in because you don't understand science very well.

You are the one using smokescreen here. You can't address my points so you call me nuts.

Yes, Pokay, we cannot determine if the universe is caused or uncaused. Lots of quantum mechanic phenomena are uncaused - and some hypotheses about the universe and the forces of nature are framed around them being uncaused.

Why are you unable to deal with that possibility cognitively?

Why do you suppose science is trying to back up your deeply held religious beliefs?

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#558547 Nov 2, 2012
Diversion diversion diversion, dim bulb, dim bulb dim bulb. Yea it's twenty to one around here. Agenda hangs heavy on the local fundamental forces.
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Since: Mar 11

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#558549 Nov 2, 2012
"Yes, science does not have absolute answers. It's not possible that science will ever produce absolute answers. If you want to subsequently claim "therefore a higher power exists" you're making an argument based on ignorance"
Pokay wrote:
<quoted text>I choose science, over religion, ya dingleberry; any religion for that matter. I don't get the relevence here.
Clearly you don't.
Now you're insulting the science you believe in? How do you know science will never be able to get there? You just made a great argument for believing in a higher power. And just like a broken record, you keep putting words in my mouth; I'm not saying "therefore a higher power exists" I am saying that I *believe* that one exists.
No, I'm not insulting science. It's not possible to do science from an absolute position - knowing this produces stronger science.

At this point, I really don't think you're capable of understanding that.
You're the one implying it cannot possibly exist.
Rather, I said it's not a knowable answer - not sure why you fail to realize this.

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Since: Mar 11

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#558550 Nov 2, 2012
Pokay wrote:
Diversion diversion diversion, and then, "geez why can't you be civil to me"? I think I'm being quite civil to you Hiding, considering.
Pardon me for not lowering myself to call you names instead of answering your points. I can, if you like. I'm quite capable of trading insults with you.

At this point I just don't need to, you're making yourself look stupid all alone.

Oops! I just did it. Now I'll use your tactic "I'm being quite civil, all things considered, Pokay."

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#558551 Nov 2, 2012
Pokay wrote:
<quoted text>How are you gonna prove that what nano said is false? What's the use of a bet without a way to settle it?
.. this has nothing to do with Nano and everything to do with your post claiming YD never threatened anyone and didn't deserve to be 'stalked'..

.. you were the one wanting to make a wager, I accepted. Are you ready to put your money where you mouth is ??..

.. if not, don't make accusations about people or situations you know absolutely nothing about ..

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#558552 Nov 2, 2012
River Tam wrote:
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He wanted to explore his feminine side. I may have scared him out of that. Being a girl ain't for sissies.
.. would you like to explore my feminine side ??..

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#558553 Nov 2, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Hello cute girl! Always miss you!
.. awww, that's so sweet. Thanks !!..

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#558554 Nov 2, 2012
Even according to the most ridiculous assumption that fundamental forces do not require a cause, we still have our work cut out for us to figure out how power can come from nothing; in that case there is still much that could change our reality if it became known to us. If power came from nothing then we might be close to knowing something absolute if we could ever figure that one out.

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#558555 Nov 2, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
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Did I shrink some of your stuff again?
Those tank tops don't have labels so I don't know how to wash them correctly.
.. are my Teddies and panties ironed ??..

.. are the dishes done ??..

.. did you clean the cat litter boxes ??..

.. damn! You forgot to put the toilet seat down. Again. How many times do I have to tell you? River Tam never does that ..

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#558556 Nov 2, 2012
dr Shrink wrote:
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reading your post
I assume that Skombolis is more smart from you and those whose toungues rambling only in the grass full of cockroaches and insects,
that is what people like you are.
I see skombolis that he is good and urgent help for yours atheistic missing monkies link brains?
Please, for the love of the internet, learn English or learn to Google.

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Since: Apr 12

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#558557 Nov 2, 2012
Pokay wrote:
Even according to the most ridiculous assumption that fundamental forces do not require a cause, we still have our work cut out for us to figure out how power can come from nothing; in that case there is still much that could change our reality if it became known to us. If power came from nothing then we might be close to knowing something absolute if we could ever figure that one out.
Power is an artificial construct, most rulers borrow the power from the people, but meh, different topic.

Since: Sep 10

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#558558 Nov 2, 2012
Pokay wrote:
Even according to the most ridiculous assumption that fundamental forces do not require a cause, we still have our work cut out for us to figure out how power can come from nothing; in that case there is still much that could change our reality if it became known to us. If power came from nothing then we might be close to knowing something absolute if we could ever figure that one out.
Oh, poo.

We'll figure it out.

And without your god too.

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#558559 Nov 2, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
"Yes, science does not have absolute answers. It's not possible that science will ever produce absolute answers. If you want to subsequently claim "therefore a higher power exists" you're making an argument based on ignorance"
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Clearly you don't.
Why? Because I believe in a higher power? There are no scientists that believe in a higher power? Top physicists believe in God, it has nothing to do with science. What I am saying is that I would trust my own senses in a case of evidence for or against a higher power. And science speaks more to my senses than any religion does. But it cannot address anything of that nature so quit making something out of nothing.
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No, I'm not insulting science. It's not possible to do science from an absolute position - knowing this produces stronger science.
At this point, I really don't think you're capable of understanding that.
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Rather, I said it's not a knowable answer - not sure why you fail to realize this.
You're not addressing my questions. You're diverting like a politician. Of course, it's not possible to do anything from an absolute position because no such position exists in our reality that we know of. That doesn't have any bearing on whether one should believe that science could ever figure out anything absolute. You said science can never figure out anything absolute; I didn't say it.

Yea tell me more about what I'm not capable of understanding rather than fessing up that you had no reason to take that approach other than to smokescreen.

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#558560 Nov 2, 2012
River Tam wrote:
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Close. He did lose a gerbil the other day for a little while. Hopefully it found it's way back out.
It looked like that poster does most of his talking out of his arse. So if the gerbil is smart he will sound follow the soundwaves until they stop echoing and he will be free:)

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