Prove there's a god.

“O'si yo!”

Since: Oct 12

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#558657 Nov 3, 2012
ROCCO wrote:
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Perhaps you've overlooked, or purposely ignored, or simply forgotten the following about your Dr. Robert L. Spitzer.
It's helpful and truthful to be honest about matters when you post them, Patty, and it's not a hard thing for decent and honest folks to put into practice. Many of us wish that you would engage in such a way, rather than manipulate, mislead, distort and, well, lie.
http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/05/21/c...
Several months ago I told you that because of my revised view of my 2001 study of reparative therapy changing sexual orientation, I was considering writing something that would acknowledge that I now judged the major critiques of the study as largely correct. After discussing my revised view of the study with Gabriel Arana, a reporter for American Prospect, and with Malcolm Ritter, an Associated Press science writer, I decided that I had to make public my current thinking about the study. Here it is.
[...]
The Fatal Flaw in the Study -- There was no way to judge the credibility of subject reports of change in sexual orientation. I offered several (unconvincing) reasons why it was reasonable to assume that the subject's reports of change were credible and not self-deception or outright lying. But the simple fact is that there was no way to determine if the subject's accounts of change were valid.
I believe I owe the gay community an apology for my study making unproven claims of the efficacy of reparative therapy. I also apologize to any gay person who wasted time and energy undergoing some form of reparative therapy because they believed that I had proven that reparative therapy works with some "highly motivated" individuals.
Robert Spitzer. M.D.
Emeritus Professor of Psychiatry,
Columbia University [Truth Wins Out, 4/25/12, emphasis original]
actually, what you have overlooked is that I supplied you with the source of that article, New York times, even gave you the name of the writer of that paticular article and told you to go read it.
did you?
Henry

Bischofferode, Germany

#558658 Nov 3, 2012
Zapps wrote:
It's possible to prove that there's God. Why do people think He doesn't exist? He is there and I can prove it. I'm coming out with a book on the subject sometime next year. You'll have every single prove of it. The title of the book is Composition Into Relativity. Everything will be covered with very simple logical explanations. keep your fingers crossed.
No god at all!
dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#558659 Nov 3, 2012
Lil Ticked wrote:
I don't agree with you so you are stupid.
who cares of your agree or not.
your stupidity is above average meter of water level after storm sandy in New York

“O'si yo!”

Since: Oct 12

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#558660 Nov 3, 2012
ROCCO wrote:
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Did you, Yellodog and Pattiecake58 all take the same spelling and grammar classes together with the same teacher in Russell Springs and/or Cincinnati?
Do you also share the same birthday with them, November 17 (and turning 58 with them in just 15 more days)?
Let me wish you "Happy 58th" in advance, especially since I have no way of knowing if the Lord will strike me dead before then.
Are you trying to imply that no one has spelling errors on here except for the ones you disagree with all the time?
not very honest of you to point out spelling errors when i do believe you yourself have shared a few on here from time to time.

Did you attend 'Dan Savage' classes on how to be a good bully?

“O'si yo!”

Since: Oct 12

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#558661 Nov 3, 2012
En Sabah Nur wrote:
If there really was 1 real god, then no one would be having this argument or even alive after denying IT exists. Feel free to believe in fairy tales all you want, it doesn't make them real.
what does people choosing not to believe in God have to do with establishing there is no God? Of course there will be many who choose to reject God in their free will.

That doesn't mean there is no God, that just means there are deceived and foolish people in this world.

“O'si yo!”

Since: Oct 12

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#558662 Nov 3, 2012
En Sabah Nur wrote:
The 3 biggest evils in the world; English, Democracy, and Christianity. What do they all have in common? Conformity.
I see so you are anti-freedom? A person who hates Democracy, hates freedom. A person who hates Christianity hates God, and a person who hates English is not American.

I hope you don't live here in America feeling that way.

Since: Nov 12

United States

#558663 Nov 3, 2012
United in faith wrote:
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please note i will only answer this question ONCE.
NO.
NO.
NO.
i am not pattiecake or yellodog.
If you ask it again, you will be ignored.
Perhaps what the person is trying to say is, "If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then it must be a duck."

“O'si yo!”

Since: Oct 12

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#558664 Nov 3, 2012
Lily the aborter wrote:
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I stated how I feel in the post you replied to Patty.
I do dislike liars and hypocrites though. So you would be on my "dislike" list...
I see you also are easily led around by your nose here.

shall i address you as happy lesbo, or love peace and happiness?

Sorry i ask you the question, i did not realize you were sharing passing throughs brain cells.

“O'si yo!”

Since: Oct 12

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#558665 Nov 3, 2012
GuessAgain wrote:
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If God is a spirit or intangible, what mechanism or force allows it to interact with physically real objects?
You, nor I will know that untill we cross over and exchange human for spiritual.

Do you remeber in the bible when Moses wanted to see the face of God and God told Moses you can not see My face and live?
God is referred to as "an all consuming fire", power.
to answer your question if we knew how God does what He does, then we to would be gods.

Since: Nov 12

United States

#558666 Nov 3, 2012
United in faith wrote:
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what does people choosing not to believe in God have to do with establishing there is no God? Of course there will be many who choose to reject God in their free will.
That doesn't mean there is no God, that just means there are deceived and foolish people in this world.
Foolish people are those who believe in imaginary characters. Being a child is one thing, but as you get older, time to put away the imaginary friend.

And you missed the point of what I said, IF they reject, then they should not be alive to have this discussion or whatever. SO therefore since nothing is ever done in response on a godly level, no prayers answered, etc., etc., then IT is not real. It's just a fable to keep people in line and controlled. It's good in some ways for teaching children right from wrong, but I believe that as kids grow up they should move on and just live their lives instead of living the rest of their life as a blind, brain-washed sheep being led to the slaughterhouse.

“O'si yo!”

Since: Oct 12

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#558667 Nov 3, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Morality is a social trait that evolved in many species which offered an advantage in the natural world, thus they performed better under the pressures of natural selection. It is part of the behaviors we label as instinctive, which is a collection of inherited social and personality traits passed through genetics.
Give me something that scientists can't actually answer, please.
that was your answer, not a scientist's answer.

animals do not possess a moral conscience.
ONLY humans do.
that is a fact.

If morality was simply a "trait" then everyone would opperate on the same level of moral standards.

Since: Jul 10

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#558668 Nov 3, 2012
dnky oe wrote:
<quoted text> So we see these creations of man and but yet we also see things man can barely explain and attribute them chance, though these other creation far surpass mans intellect or understanding. Who would be believe a man threw a bunch of metal, electronics and rubber into a pile and came back sometime later to find a lamborghini. And then believe no one touched that pile.
No thinking human being has ever made that claim, and those who don't believe in Creation, DO NOT believe that everything came to be 'just by chance'. We don't have the scientific knowledge, yet, of what events led to the current universe, including everything that we individually can see, but we do have enough scientific information to know how our part of the universe came to be (how the earth and the visible other bodies came about). The Big Bang Theory provides a credible explanation of what immediately preceded what we see today, but it does not give us any information of what occurred in the infinite period prior to the 'Big Bang'.

Since we are talking billions of years ago, anyway, it is kind of difficult to be able to go back and look at what happened
billions of years ago. From what we can obtain samples of, on our earth, and the few other bodies that man has visited, we can determine much about how they came about. We know many of the steps that occurred in the formation of the earth, and the history of earth's evolution up to the present, because the records are preserved within the surface of the earth (rocks, etc).

We have traced various major events on the earth, by the records in the ice, rocks, and by dating various items. Through these methods we know that the earth did not suffer a complete Flood covering all land and killing off all living things, during the period since man has been able to leave behind records, and we also know that the amount of water necessary to completely cover all the land mass of the earth cannot exist on this earth - so a Flood never occurred.

Smaller area floods occurred and continue to occur covering very small parts of the earth, but the water that covers these areas is taken from the existing water supply of the earth, so what water covering certain geographical locations at any one time is removed from the overall supply to the rest of the earth.
dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#558669 Nov 3, 2012
United in faith wrote:
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I see so you are anti-freedom? A person who hates Democracy, hates freedom. A person who hates Christianity hates God, and a person who hates English is not American.
I hope you don't live here in America feeling that way.
democracy is not american idea
World Christinaity is not true God Yahveh religion,2 cor 11;13-15.
English is not american.
americans adopted this language by 1 more vote from German
english is from England Europa

and your are dumb ,and your uneducaated stupidity reach skies scrapers of New York Manhatan slums in NEW YORK

“O'si yo!”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#558670 Nov 3, 2012
Mirror Mirror two Faced wrote:
<quoted text>You must hate yourself? We simply pity your kind.
Take note, most of the poster's here have a strong need to lash out with unkindness and cruelty. From my observations thus far they are under the delusion that topix is not a place to share opinions or voice thoughts in a constructive manner. No, they believe topix was designed as a place to verbally abuse others just because they can.

As we all know only very insecure people mistreat others.

Since: Nov 12

United States

#558671 Nov 3, 2012
United in faith wrote:
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I see so you are anti-freedom? A person who hates Democracy, hates freedom. A person who hates Christianity hates God, and a person who hates English is not American.
I hope you don't live here in America feeling that way.
Hate is such a strong word. Disagree? Sure, cause they are normally used in negative and controlling ways to make the rest of the world into a "perfect" image of what the conformists truly believe should exist. Everything that America was supposed to be has been destroyed for very long time. Stop being a blind, brain-washed sheep and open your eyes.

Freedom can have different meaning to different people. Christianity had hundreds of years of bloodshed in the name of their faith and god cause they wanted to conform (cleanse) the world, but was basically their judgmental and discriminating attitude. Just like you are judging me without using your brain 1st. No, I'm not anti-american. No, I am not anti-christ. and No, I am not anti-english. BUT I AM ANTI-CONFORMIST!

Democracy is no different from Christianity cause it's also used as an excuse for war and is backed by Christianity. It's all part of a New World Order, as they try to conform everyone to 1 faith, 1 government, and 1 language.

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#558672 Nov 3, 2012
dr Shrink wrote:
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who cares of your agree or not.
your stupidity is above average meter of water level after storm sandy in New York
Thanks for proving my point

Since: Jul 10

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#558673 Nov 3, 2012
United in faith wrote:
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Wasn't it you who didn't believe there was more than one patty in that area?
No that wasn't me, and I really don't care if there are 100 Patty Hadley's in that area; all that concerns me is the one who posts here, now using three (at least) different aliases, yet denying she does this.

I am not concerned about Patty Hadley, other than how she treats people on this site, and how she lies about herself, but constantly accuses others of lies when they are telling the truth.

I have a concern for Patty Hadley's several mental illnesses, though, as it appears that she is incapable of coping with life, and needs help.

Since: Nov 12

United States

#558674 Nov 3, 2012
Botz r us wrote:
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drop us a line when youve emigrated to the islamic dictatorship until then STFU
Ah, what a sad sheep you are, so blind and lacking true intelligence. The slaughterhouse awaits your kind.

As for Islamic dictatorship and immigrating? Bhwahahaha! Perhaps you need to stfu.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#558675 Nov 3, 2012
United in faith wrote:
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that was your answer, not a scientist's answer.
animals do not possess a moral conscience.
ONLY humans do.
that is a fact.
If morality was simply a "trait" then everyone would opperate on the same level of moral standards.
Animals do exhibit moral conscience , some are learned some are instinctive. These are mostly learned traits that are cultural in humans though some are clearly determined universally and overlap culture. But you are dead wrong in the first premise that
"animals do not possess a moral conscience".

“O'si yo!”

Since: Oct 12

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#558676 Nov 3, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Since you failed to comprehend the point entirely, I'll spell it out for you.
Scientific minds don't care about the who, only the how. It seeks answers where blind people have inserted made up non-answers like "god dun it."
Do you really think that science has all the answers?

Don't get me wrong, science is awsome. It has it's place like everything else. BUT, science does not know how life began.
Science only cares about adopting theories that may or may not be conclusive. Show me one thing science has ever made or discovered that was not already here to begin with?

I had to laugh the other day when i saw a news release on 'fish oil' pills. for the last 15 years or so, science 'established' the reliable and sure benefits of taking fish oil suppliments for a healthy heart, and lower chelostrol.
a few days ago, the medical report came out saying, "hey guess what? we have suddenly discovered that fish oil suppliments don't work".(laughing)

This is a regular occurance in the world of science.
Trial and error. assumptions. Theories.
but no conclusive answers. Fact is the only conclusive and sure answer is God.
His work proves that.

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