Prove there's a god.
Henry

Lugau, Germany

#552305 Oct 18, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Failure.
Your above only works if you ignore history and evidenced based deductions through hypothesis testing.
Still waiting on how you know the Bible is divinely inspired...
The Bible is not the slightest idea of divinity. There never was any god at all!

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#552306 Oct 18, 2012
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Oh an easy one.
Pair induction, the process starts with pair induction - its discovery earned the Nobel Prize. You want to lean about it then feel free to educate yourself
This process allowed the simplest of all atoms to form, hydrogen.
Gravity caused the resultant hydrogen to group, the compression this caused allowed the first generation stars to ignite. As the hydrogen burned fusion created the lightest elements. A the hydrogen was depleted, the suns collapsed and the generated heat and pressure caused more intense nuclear fusion to occur thus creating the next few elements in the periodic table.
The gas of the resulting novas containing these atoms eventually coalesced into more stars and these in turn collapsed and even heavier elements were created.
This had to happen three times to create our own sun and the carbon, hydrogen and oxygen that needed to create life. Hence the reason our sun is known as a 3rd generation star.
So, I’m still here, I’ve not left, and I very much doubt that putting threatening ultimatums to inane questions is the way forward for you, it makes you look pathetic.
Perhaps some of the links I have offered you will help you education although I seriously doubt that you are willing to be educated past the goddidit books of centuries ago
They figured this out through learning, educating themselves and scientific observation.
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Well you see in general terms I can comprehend the universe and how it evolved from 10^-34th of a second after the event that allowed it to form. As for comprehending god, he has no place in this universe except in your mind. A god as described in KJV 19:6 cannot exist in it at the same time as you. There is no evidence for any god, there is no evidence for magic and there is not evidence for the supernatural.
There is evidence of the universe and there is evidence that you exist.
You are of course welcome to limit yourself to the goddidit of the bronze age but me, I’m quite happy knowing what I know.
That's nice & all. It DOES make sense, but you can't sit here & say that's "how it happened".

The FACT is, you don't know. Nobody knows.

And I see you keep revolving around Revelations 19:6..... lol, you think you have evidence that God doesn't exist because He can't be omnipotent...

Funny girl.

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#552307 Oct 18, 2012
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Hey Mimi, long time no hear.
Yes, very different. It's gone downhill unfortunately. Buck appears now and then, but he's no longer a "regular." He told a story of what happened (self-surgery gone bad), but with Buck who knows what to believe....
Check in when you have the time and inclinaton, there are still good people and exchanges in the midst of the mud and mire.
How's your adopted dog doing?
He's doing great, he weighs about 75 pounds and loves to eat. My Chow is doing good, although he moves a lot slower now, and has hip problems. I have a chihuahua too. They all love to ride in the
car and stick their heads out the windows, quite a sight. People
always stop and tell me how cute they are.

How's business? How's California? I haven't been in about five years, beautiful out there. We are having Fall now, very pretty
but winter will be on it's way.I love winter for Christmas, but
only for about a month and then get tired of it.I could use a vacation, but we never seem to have the time. We may take a trip to W. Virginia and Kentucky to see where the Hatfields and McCoys
had their battles, I heard it's interesting. I don't know a lot of
their history, but they fought for over a hundred years I think...
I'll have to rent the movie and get some info on them. Gee, it
sounds like Topix , huh? LOL Take care, and be a good boy.(:

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#552308 Oct 18, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
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Yes I do, with exactly as much conviction as you know otherwise. However I have the advantage of science to back me up.
No, you don't. You're using hypothetical scenarios & calling them science.

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#552309 Oct 18, 2012
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I know that evolution doesn't harm my religion - except when radical try to use it to 'disprove' God and when fundies make us all look stupid when they simply beat their bibles & say all scientists are wrong.......'because'.
Great, we agree!

The Big Bang, forming of the earth and evolution does not disprove a deity. Claiming so is wrong.

Likewise, I am glad you concede that Creationists hurts your religion.

Up to here, you are 100% right
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You can't say that "if there IS a god, he created the universe by means of the Big Bang" because you don't know that. BBT is nothing more than a damned guess. Nobody knows if it's even real.
Wrong.

The evidence for the Big Bang is overwhelming.

Some (by some, I mean a great many) predictions have been shown to be accurate - i.e. the creation of black holes and bosons when particles hit each other at high speeds.

Now, the theoretical framework in the theory predicted this. Sure, you could call coincidence, but that is akin to claiming that electricity does not exist, that evertime you plug in an appliance and it works is simple coincidence.
Henry

Lugau, Germany

#552310 Oct 18, 2012
Orangelion wrote:
And you can't comprehend God either, but he exists too, say that for him too.
No god at all!

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#552311 Oct 18, 2012
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He can't comprehend that. Atheists promote violence and shootings. Look at Colorado for an example. Columbine and the theater shooting were both episodes of atheist rage.
This is the consequence of taking prayer and Bible study out of schools.
We are now paying for the STUPIDITY of atheists.
This is hate speech. It suggests that atheists are dangerous and will kill you because they are atheists. People believing this will want atheists incapacitated. Like you, many will salivate at the thought of our torture by a just and loving god. Many will try to help their god to curry favor with it.

Some of you say that your beliefs are none of our business, and ask why we can't just live and let live. This is one reason why. You give us an interest in incapacitating your church before it marginalizes, demeans and dehumanizes us further. We have an interest in limiting the number of clones like you it creates and unleashes on polite society.
Orangelion

Queensferry, UK

#552313 Oct 18, 2012
Where did this hydrogen come from? And where did all this matter come from? How can a single hydrogen atom form more when only one nutron and proten existed with only one electron? And how did the sun end up in a particular direct? There was no set direction so you would expect the solar system and everything to be completely symetrical from left to right, up and down, back and front, in all 6 directions.

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#552314 Oct 18, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Actually, if being easily offended is a criterion for being a wimp, then it would be the Christians that are both, theree times as often as non-Christians. From http://www.ibopezogby.com/news/2006/12/06/zog... :
"Zogby polling [in 2006] shows an overwhelming majority (95%) say they are not offended by being greeted with a "Merry Christmas" while shopping, including 98% for weekly Wal-Mart shoppers. But greet them with a "Happy Holidays," and 46% say they take offense."
Since the fraction of Americans calling themselves Christians was only about 75% in 2006, this shows a much greater tolerance for "Merry Christmas" by non-Christians than vice versa. That is, in a group of a hundred people, if we assume that all or nearly all of the 75 Christians in it approve of the use of "Merry Christmas," it means that 20 of the 25 non-Christians in the group - 80%- were also fine with the phrase, and only 5 out of 25, or about 20% of the non-Christians, were wimps.
We can also assume that most or all of the 46% offended by "Happy Holidays" were from the Christian fraction, meaning 46 out of 75, or about 60% were wimps - three times the rate of non-Christians.
Christians like to play victim and cry persecution. They call this a "War on Christmas."
"Of course, not everyone will be excited to hear more "Merry Christmas" greetings this season. One in three respondents who identified themselves as Jewish (32%) said they were upset by hearing "Merry Christmas" as were 10% of those of non-Christian faiths or who did not identify themselves with a religion. Democrats are more likely to take offense at "Merry Christmas" (8%) compared with fewer than 1% of Republicans and 1% of Independents"

lol, from your link...

As Christmas is a national holiday & a Christian tradition and America is 75% Christian, then I'd say yes: trying to remove is a "war on Christmas".

The leftover 25% that are not Christians are a mix of religions, agnostics & atheists. Why should we remove "Merry Christmas" to suit the minority of the people?

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#552315 Oct 18, 2012
Lil Ticked wrote:
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/world/europ...
"The Norwegian man charged Saturday with a pair of attacks in Oslo that killed at least 92 people left behind a detailed manifesto outlining his preparations and calling for a Christian war to defend Europe against the threat of Muslim domination, according to Norwegian and American officials familiar with the investigation. "
Thanks for the link. I've added it to my "CHRISTIAN ABUSE IN THE NEWS / BAD RELIGION"

If anybody else is interested in such a file, here it is. Since Topix clips off the suffixes of long links, anybody interested in copying it should hit the reply button, and copy that, since the full link will appears in the reply box between the "QUOTE" tags.

CHRISTIAN ABUSE IN THE NEWS / BAD RELIGION

[1] http://www.priestsrapeboys.com/inthenews.html
[2] http://thinkprogress.org/2010/02/22/disabled-...
[3] http://www.examiner.com/humanist-in-portland/...
[4] http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/08/24/106...
[5] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/ho...
[6] http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/gospe...
[7] http://www.examiner.com/south-america-policy-...
[8] http://www.boston.com/globe/spotlight/abuse/
[9] http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44219189/ns/us_ne...
[10] http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/23/gran...
[11] http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2010/02/22/...
[12] http://www.priestabusetrial.com/2012/06/churc...
[13] http://www.bishop-accountability.org/news2007...
[14] http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-1...
[15] http://mojoey.blogspot.mx/2008/07/two-pedophi...
[16] http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/news/x86577...
[17] http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jun/22/natio...
[18] http://www.clutchmagonline.com/2012/02/wtf-ch...
[19] http://www.abpnews.com/ministry/congregations...
[20] http://reformation.com/CSA/baptistsabuse.html [multiple stories, all Baptists]
[21] http://newsok.com/authorities-claim-pastor-us...
[22] http://www.memphisdailynews.com/editorial/Art...
[23] http://sfist.com/2012/05/02/north_carolina_pa...
[24] http://religiouschildabuse.blogspot.com/2011/...
[25] http://newsok.com/oklahoma-church-abuse-inqui...
[26] http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-09-18...
[27] http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar...
[28] http://www.channel3000.com/news/N-C-pastor-re...
[29] http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/05/21/idU...
[30] http://www.examiner.com/article/atlanta-pasto...
[31] http://www.examiner.com/article/georgia-fathe...
[32] http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/world/europ...

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treat you they get offended.

#552316 Oct 18, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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That's nice & all. It DOES make sense, but you can't sit here & say that's "how it happened".
The FACT is, you don't know. Nobody knows.
And I see you keep revolving around Revelations 19:6..... lol, you think you have evidence that God doesn't exist because He can't be omnipotent...
Funny girl.
Yes I can, science does know up to 10^-34th of a second after the event, just because you don’t is irelevant.

It is before that micro fraction of a second, millions of times less than the fasted clock tick on the fasted computer we are able to build that is uncertain. After that time it’ss fairly basic. And now even before that time it is becoming clearer using the .mathematics of Dr Param Singh

Glad you agree that he can’t be omnipotent. However that what the babble says. I did not write the babble. The babble writers were not aware that Einstein would come up with the goods to poo poo their claim

Glad you find it amusing, they say that some humour can help you learn the hardest facts

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#552317 Oct 18, 2012
Double Fine wrote:
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Well, here in South Africa, we manufacture to German standards, as well as import from Holland, Germany and England (the only country to sell "Real" beer).
The selection of alcohol here in SA is huge. We even import Millers, Sterling and Budweiser.
Coming back to geology, would you like to assist on an expedition, given the opportunity? If so, what would you most like to do?
What the heck is Sterling? And Budweiser is not American any longer, it is now Belgian:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anheuser-Busch

"On June 12, 2008, Belgian-Brazilian brewing company InBev announced that it had made a US$ 46 billion dollar offer for the company.[26] which if it was accepted would join two of the world's four largest brewing companies (based on revenue) and create a company brewing three of the highest grossing beers in the world, namely Bud Light, Budweiser, and Skol. InBev also stated that the merger would not result in any U.S. brewery closures and they would also attempt to retain management and board members from both companies.[27] On June 25, 2008, Anheuser-Busch officially announced that they would reject InBev's offer and provide a restructuring of company to maintain shareholders and United States World Headquarters in St. Louis.[28] On July 1, 2008, InBev urged Anheuser-Busch shareholders to vote in favor of the buyout as InBev felt the offer of $65 per share should be considered a reasonable offer in view of the falling stock market. The company had previously filed suit in Delaware, after the rejection of their offer, to ensure that the stockholders could oust Anheuser-Busch's 13 board members.[29] On July 7, 2008, Anheuser-Busch filed a lawsuit against InBev to stop them from soliciting support of shareholders, stating that the company's offer is an illegal scheme. InBev was also accused of concealing that they do business in Cuba, which might have created additional obstacles to their efforts to operate in the United States.[30]
On July 13, 2008, Anheuser-Busch and InBev said they had agreed to a deal, pending shareholder and regulatory approval,[31] for InBev to purchase the American icon at $70 per share, creating a new company to be named Anheuser-Busch InBev. Anheuser-Busch would get two seats on the combined board of directors. The all-cash agreement, almost $52 billion in total equity, created the world’s largest brewer, uniting the maker of Budweiser and Michelob with the producer of Beck's, Stella Artois, Hoegaarden, Leffe, Bass, Labatt and Brahma. The two companies had combined yearly sales of more than $36.4 billion, surpassing the current No. 1 brewer, London-based SABMiller."

Geology, hmm. Hard to say. Like any science there are no large scale discoveries that can be made today. It is necessary to heavily specialize if you want to do any research. It might be interesting to get involved in oil exploration, but that is mostly engineering and not really science at this point. By engineering I mean the practical application of science.
Henry

Lugau, Germany

#552318 Oct 18, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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True. So, one could say that America is a mostly religious country.
With non-religious laws.
USA is not a most religious country, its on its way to a non-religious nation. That takes of course a while, but history cannot pulled back again.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#552319 Oct 18, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
The leftover 25% that are not Christians are a mix of religions, agnostics & atheists. Why should we remove "Merry Christmas" to suit the minority of the people?
Your opinion is noted.

Are you aware that the fraction of Americans calling themselves Christian declined from 85% to 75% between 1998 and 2008, and has fallen further since? Are you aware that both Catholics and Protestants are in the minority now? Only by combining them does the number exceed 50%. And the total is projected to fall below 50 in the late 2030's.

You're a Golden Rule kind of guy, aren't you? Can we assume that you agree that Christians and Christmas should be excluded as soon as Christians reached minority status?

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#552320 Oct 18, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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This is hate speech. It suggests that atheists are dangerous and will kill you because they are atheists. People believing this will want atheists incapacitated. Like you, many will salivate at the thought of our torture by a just and loving god. Many will try to help their god to curry favor with it.
Some of you say that your beliefs are none of our business, and ask why we can't just live and let live. This is one reason why. You give us an interest in incapacitating your church before it marginalizes, demeans and dehumanizes us further. We have an interest in limiting the number of clones like you it creates and unleashes on polite society.
Yah.

“The figures looked more or less human. And they were engaged in religion. You could tell by the knives (it's not murder if you do it for a god).”- Pratchett.

How many fundies, do you think, would, if only they could?

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Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#552321 Oct 18, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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No, you don't. You're using hypothetical scenarios & calling them science.
Yes I do – nah – nah.

I am using science and calling it science.

Just because you are unable to understand it and unwilling to accept it is not my problem

However even without the science I have exactly as much conviction as you do. Plus the evidence that no proof of god exists, plus the archaeological evidence that the earth is older than 6000 years (this month according to the babble – happy birthday earth). Plus the evidence that the great flood was not so great plus the DNA evidence that tells us that Adam and Eve lives over 75000 years apart plus the fact that all 38000+ sects of christianity can’t all be right

OK the archaeology and DNA bits are science do we’ll ignore that
Passing Through

Chicago, IL

#552322 Oct 18, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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True. So, one could say that America is a mostly religious country.
With non-religious laws.
Some say to-ma-to, some say to-mah-to.

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#552323 Oct 18, 2012
Orangelion wrote:
Where did this hydrogen come from? And where did all this matter come from? How can a single hydrogen atom form more when only one nutron and proten existed with only one electron? And how did the sun end up in a particular direct? There was no set direction so you would expect the solar system and everything to be completely symetrical from left to right, up and down, back and front, in all 6 directions.
I have already told you, you asked questions and I answered it’s not my problem that you are too thick to comprehend. Jesus christ on a crutch, even RR says it makes sense, he did not agree but he said it makes sense.

What makes you think that only one hydrogen atom was created? There was an awful lot of energy in which pair induction took place.

What makes you think everything is symmetrical? The CMB tells us otherwise

Ever heard of gravity?

Your deliberate ignorance bores me.– no more will I be bored by you - bye
Orangelion

Queensferry, UK

#552324 Oct 18, 2012
The 38000+ sects are all wrong, but the basic knowledge of God and the bible is all right. Today is the day of Laodicia, the seventh city, which in the greek means "peoples opinions", this is the age we are at, where christianity and knowledge of god is simply peoples opinions.

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#552325 Oct 18, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
No, boots. I don't "know" that God told them what to write, but I believe it.
How else could they have known what they wrote about?
How else did Moses know something about Pangea? Evolution? You tell me,'cuz I don't know.
New word for me, though I knew of the process before - likely knew the word too, but it had slipped my mind, as most things do nowadays.

Several issues with your statement that Moses knew something about Pangea:

1) It is not universally accepted by scientists yet that Pangea occurred, though there is much evidence for it,

2) Moses is commonly believed to not ever have existed, so Moses wrote nothing. The works attributed to Moses are the collection of various legends, traditions, myths, etc., passed down from various other beliefs, etc.

3) Anything written in the books attributed to Moses could be taken in many ways and don't necessary indicate knowledge of anything that man of the time would not have known about or imagined,

4) One has to have an unquestioning belief in God, and be able to overlook the majority of these books which cannot be believed in order to believe that any part of them is true,

5) Belief in a invisible, superpower that has never been proved to exist and for which there has never been any evidence of existence requires that man, which is a relatively intelligent being, must suspend all thinking abilities and rely strictly on unquestioning belief in what is unbelievable.

Kind of like believing there is a real Santa Claus even though you really have known since you were 7 years old that he is a fictional character, created to entertain children and make them behave, in order to be rewarded. In fact the Santa story is much the same as the God story. Do what you are suppose to do, and you will be rewarded; don't do it and you will be punished. Typical fairy tale material.

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