Prove there's a god.

Since: May 11

Reality, USA

#551937 Oct 17, 2012
YELLODOG wrote:
<quoted text>
how about instead i tell YOU that no CHRISTIAN sued over the billboards.
When we get involved is when you God haters try to remove monuments and crosses and things that have been in place for decades..........
you can spew all the anti-God garbage you want to.
you have every right to..........but your right ends when it infringes on my right to express my faith and exercise my religion freely.
Just because something has been in place for decades does not mean that it is right and has to stay where it is. Lets use all of those "Whites Only" signs as an example. They were in place for years and they are now gone. How about all of those billboards where a "doctor" was extolling about a brand of cigarettes...that too has gone the way of the dinosaurs.
Welcome to the 21st century "yellodog", a century where many people refuse to be led around like sheep just because their "god" says so. A century where freedom of religion also means freedom FROM religion and where our government does not break it's own laws by sponsoring or favoring a specific religion or "god" over another as it has been doing.

You can scream all you want about the infringement on your rights and faith, and your ability to exercise your religion freely....scream away, I invite you to list where your rights have been infringed upon though we both know that it is not being taken away from you but it is being put in it's proper place as it should have been put in the first place.
Your "god" has no place in my government (which coincedentally is yours as well) to include public schools, public parks, public buildings AND all government facilities and land.

Now be a good little girl and start your list of how your religious rights are being taken away.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#551938 Oct 17, 2012
Just Results wrote:
athetards are "spiritually defective"
You clearly have no concept of what spirituality is. For starters, it has nothing to do with believing in magic or ghosts. Your religion has kept your horizon small and your experience dilute.

Since: May 11

Reality, USA

#551939 Oct 17, 2012
Orangelion wrote:
<quoted text>
I wasn't being literal, there is no such thing as an actual religion with some homosexual deity with his homosexuality to being the main thing about the religion. I was saying there fanatic wants for homosexuality, and their perverted brains making them have a strong desire for gay homosexuality, they are earthly beings, no more than seeking worthless pleasure through homosexual fetishes.
Very well...thank-you for answering, there are so few that will do that.

Obviously I do not agree with your opinion of homosexuality. You do not like that people are attracted to someone of the same sex, that is obvious. But calling their attraction perverse or a fetish is incorrect. Look at it this way...two men engage in sex behind closed doors...fine, their business, what harm is it doing to you? Those same two men are also in love with each other, in a committed relationship with each other (depending on the state they may also be married)...where is the "fetish" of two people in love with each other? Where is the perverseness of two people in love?

Do you think people of the same sex can love one another? Have actual emotional feeling of love for one another? You (as well as many others) seem to be stuck on the aspect of physical sex when it comes to homosexuality. You think it is icky, gorss, an abomination etc. when all it is is the physical expression of two adults towards each other. Sure they may not be in love or it may just be so that each can mutually "get off"...how is that any different than those who are heterosexual who do the exact same thing just with different methods?
RiversideRedneck

Santa Barbara, CA

#551940 Oct 17, 2012
USN - Be a good little boy & tell us how your free rights are infringed upon due to religion...
I'll wait.
Google is free.
Do tell..........
Passing Through

Chicago, IL

#551941 Oct 17, 2012
YELLODOG wrote:
<quoted text>
put your money where your foul mouth is.
show me who the SECULAR founding fathers were.
go ahead, prove your accusations we were founded by secual men and then i want you to PROVE to me that John Qincy Adams ( a significant founding father) didn't say...
"The highest glory of the American revolution was this, that it came in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government WITH THE PRINCIPLES OF CHRISTIANITY." John quincy Adams...
[trimmed for space and emphasis]
First off, OCB asserted the United States was a founded as a secular nation; she said nothing about the Founders being secular or non-religious. But your illiteracy and reading comprehension issues aside, here is the proof you seek of the United States' status as a secular nation.

The Treaty of Tripoli was negotiated on behalf of President John Adams, who submitted it to the US Senate as required by the constitution and where it was unanimously ratified on June 7, 1797 and became effective on July 10, 1797. The treaty contained the following article:

"Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries." (link: http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/treaty_tr... )

Article 6 clause 2 of the US Constitution provides that duly ratified treaties are considered the supreme law of the land on par with the constitution itself:

"This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding." (link: http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/artic... )

So the Treaty of Tripoli language declaring the US was not "founded on the Christian religion" is considered the "supreme law of the land".
RiversideRedneck

Santa Barbara, CA

#551942 Oct 17, 2012
Funny that USN mentioned doctors promoting cigarettes....
What else would they do? Back then, science "knew" cigarettes were good for ya...
And almost everybody smoked.
Ya see? Science makes HUGE mistakes all the time...

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#551946 Oct 17, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
If you claimed to have been at work yesterday, and nobody remembers seeing you, and your time card isn't stamped, that's good enough evidence of your absence to not pay you.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Suppose the time card stamper isn't working and nobody saw you because you were doing an odd job & not at your typical location?
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Absence of evidence is still evidence of absence. Do you know the difference between evidence and proof?
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Funny, because it was Sagan that coined that phrase... huh
Why would that be relevant?

You didn't answer my question. It's quite relevant to the discussion.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#551948 Oct 17, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>How did that work out in the Garden?

Evolution gave man a conscience and a proclivity to doubt and reason. Your religion tries to disable them both in order to substitute the values of your priest for the natural ones.

The supreme Christian value is obedience to the god as the priests define it. Good is defined as whatever the god says or does, including keeping souls alive for eternity just to torture them, or creating Satan and setting him loose on earth.

The conscience knows better, and questions that. But the priests will tell that your mind is too puny to understand the perfect goodness, perfect love, and perfect justice of such behavior.

And if you question them a second time, they'll tell you that the doubt is from Satan, and insist that you ignore it.

And if you still question them, they'll do to you whatever the law allows. When that was stoning, the Pharisees stoned you.

When that was impaling you with the iron maiden and twisting you on the rack, the inquisitors did that.

When that was burning you at the stake, the reverends and ministers did that.

Now, they can only punish you with guilt, fear, social ostracism, and persecution.

People that call your natural tendency to question unreasonable claims and unjust actions your "sin nature" and "Satan" and are not acting in your best interests. They are acting in their own best interest.

After all, who benefits from you being so submissive and compliant?
Outstanding.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#551949 Oct 17, 2012
YELLODOG wrote:
<quoted text>put your money where your foul mouth is.

show me who the SECULAR founding fathers were.

go ahead, prove your accusations we were founded by secual men and then i want you to PROVE to me that John Qincy Adams ( a significant founding father) didn't say...

"The highest glory of the American revolution was this, that it came in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government WITH THE PRINCIPLES OF CHRISTIANITY." John quincy Adams

"The bible is the cornerstone of libery. A students perusal of the sacred volume will make him a better citizen, a better father, a better husband." THOMAS JEFFERSON

"The bible is the rock on which our republic rests." ANDREW JACKSON

"We have staked the future of American civilazation upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves ACCORDING TO THE TEN COMMANDMENTS OF GOD." JAMES MADISON

every founding father that constructed our constitution was a man who believed in GOD and the bible as the ultimate truth.
history records it and proves it with their own words.

just so you don't think i am making it up.....

http://swampbubbles.com/bubble/quotes-from-ou...

this nation was absolutely not founded on a SECULAR system.
because our founding fathers MADE SURE the constitution ensured the freedom to exercise religious freedom WITHOUT the governments interference.
they PROTECTED IT.
and in the colonial times our leaders held church in the nations capatol building.
wouldn't that send the atheists to the looney bins today.....HAHAHA

what cracks me up is how ANY atheist can even tell themself that when every time they pull out a dollar bill they see, "IN GOD WE TRUST" staring back at them.
or to count all the churches and temples across the lands of America
or to hear the nations motto "ONE NATION UNDER GOD"
or to watch presidents being sworn into office with their hand on the HOLY BIBLE while reading passages from the scriptures.
or when a crisis happens and they flip in the news they see our leaders saying we must look to GOD for our guidence ....
and when congress opens sessions with prayers.

WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE KIDDING?

you are an unbeliever living in a nation founded upon the belief in GOD and the bible.
Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear.
Thomas Jefferson

Since: May 11

Reality, USA

#551950 Oct 17, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
USN - Be a good little boy & tell us how your free rights are infringed upon due to religion...
I'll wait.
Google is free.
Do tell..........
I am not the one whining about rights being trampled over.

Personally I do not care if the 10 commandments are on the lawn of a county courthouse.
I do not care if prayers to "god" are said before a government meeting.
I do not care if someone is sworn to tell the truth with their hand on a bible...it is only a symbolic gesture anyway.
I do not care if someone wishes me a Merry Christmas as I will say it in return or will initiate it myself to them.

However I will say again that I am thankful that smarter heads prevailed by taking references of a "god" out of public schools as it does not belong there. I do not pay taxes to have my children learn something that should be taught at a worship center of my choosing. Indoctrinating my children to believe in a "god" will not provide the education needed to be a productive member of society.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#551951 Oct 17, 2012
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>it is true that our bodies are the temple of His Spirit if we allow them to be, but He also fills the earth & the heaven of heavens with His majesty!

what kinda fantasy do you believe?
I avoid fantasy except for entertainment purposes.

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#551952 Oct 17, 2012
Passing Through wrote:
<quoted text>
So the Treaty of Tripoli language declaring the US was not "founded on the Christian religion" is considered the "supreme law of the land".
.. YD is a frustrated poet with a wanton urge to rewrite American history ..

.. unfortunately, she can't separate belief from actual history. Neither can RR ..

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#551953 Oct 17, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
Why would that be relevant?
You didn't answer my question. It's quite relevant to the discussion.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence...

It's true.

If it wasn't true, then 150 years ago, it would've been a fact that hymans can't fly. There was no evidence that we could...

Note: absent & absence are different, so why are you stuck on the "absent from work" scenario?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#551954 Oct 17, 2012
YELLODOG wrote:
<quoted text>your disdain for GOD has made you loopy.

calling people who love God terrorists is the most LAME and asinine thing you could say. You are deranged OCB

Terrorists are people who have no fear of GOD and think it is aok to pilfer, harm and kill others.

Christians follow "Thou shall not kill"
we don't terrorize ....... we pray for folks.

you are so mean spirited and full of bitterness.
thats a side effect to not knowing GOD.

you better get ahold of that anger before it gets a hold of you.
The 19 who flew airplanes into buildings did it believing god would reward them.

YOUR god, believe it or not.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#551955 Oct 17, 2012
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>So you don't think gay people have FAMILIES???
WOW.
most i know have caused rifts in their families; similar to self-centered drug abusers.

together, they can't naturaly procreate so to imply that their a 'family' isn't all that true. roomates with benefits or even a 'couple', maybe...

just say'n, not hate'n;)

Since: May 11

Reality, USA

#551956 Oct 17, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Funny that USN mentioned doctors promoting cigarettes....
What else would they do? Back then, science "knew" cigarettes were good for ya...
And almost everybody smoked.
Ya see? Science makes HUGE mistakes all the time...
Science does make mistakes and corrects them as advancements and research prevail.

Funny how those who stick to their guns about the writings in the buybull cannot admit to the blatant mistakes therein. It's like your god and your faith will disappear when the truth comes out.

This quote applies here:
"Gods are fragile things; they may be killed by a whiff of science or a dose of common sense."
Ā–Chapman Cohen-

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#551957 Oct 17, 2012
YELLODOG wrote:
<quoted text>
so then you don't believe then that there is such a thing as a 'higer' standard of moral code, or a right and wrong?
It's whatever society deems it to be, for better or worse. Right and wrong is constantly changing. There is no "true" source of moral code, because humans learn what's best for each other as time goes on.

Since: May 11

Reality, USA

#551958 Oct 17, 2012
Gate Keeper 1 wrote:
<quoted text>You are just a racist and you hate blacks and gays. Why not use those gas chambers which were in place for years. No you will not go there, it is inflammatory, but you are callous towards blacks.
There was never a legal standard bearer for "white only" signs or gas chambers.
In fact, for 1000s of centuries blacks lived free and as kings. That was their standard bearer. Most white Americans opposed slavery and "white one" signs.
I find it interesting that you gays always use blacks, when you still have "gay white only" policies, even today. try to check me, on this and you will be embarrassed and proven wrong.
LOL...you're kidding right? Did you even read my post before you posted this word salad?

Make better use of your time and come up with a legitimate arguement before you come out and play with me.

Have a great afternoon!!!

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#551959 Oct 17, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
I avoid fantasy except for entertainment purposes.
well c'mon now, are you afraid to articulate the theory of origin that you espouse? anything other than intelligent design does look rather absurd & ridiculous when it gets put down in plain language so i really can't blame you;)

uhh....eleventeen trillion years ago...or was 68 billion.....anyway there was this amoeba whom we shall call hairy.....LOL!
Orangelion

Wrexham, UK

#551960 Oct 17, 2012
USN Atheist wrote:
<quoted text>
Very well...thank-you for answering, there are so few that will do that.
Obviously I do not agree with your opinion of homosexuality. You do not like that people are attracted to someone of the same sex, that is obvious. But calling their attraction perverse or a fetish is incorrect. Look at it this way...two men engage in sex behind closed doors...fine, their business, what harm is it doing to you? Those same two men are also in love with each other, in a committed relationship with each other (depending on the state they may also be married)...where is the "fetish" of two people in love with each other? Where is the perverseness of two people in love?
Do you think people of the same sex can love one another? Have actual emotional feeling of love for one another? You (as well as many others) seem to be stuck on the aspect of physical sex when it comes to homosexuality. You think it is icky, gorss, an abomination etc. when all it is is the physical expression of two adults towards each other. Sure they may not be in love or it may just be so that each can mutually "get off"...how is that any different than those who are heterosexual who do the exact same thing just with different methods?
To men are incapable of falling in love with each over. Gays will tell you differently, but their liars. I will give you an exampe. Do you remember that male singer who said he fell in love with another male at 17? He is a young man now so he should know it isn't true love anyway. However, he is lying, not only was he lying that he fell in love, he lied that he fell in love at 17. 17 years old?!. He fell in love then, at such a young age, how ridiculous?!

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