Prove there's a god.

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#549312 Oct 11, 2012
Double Fine wrote:
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Double Fine blames his mistakes on booze and be done with it
Most of my mistakes were when the little head was thinking. lol

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#549314 Oct 11, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
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But evolution doesn't tell us we'll live forever, either.
Damned evolution.
Evolution doesn't tell us anything. We created evolution in our arrogant minds. People like you bought it, too.

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#549315 Oct 11, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Agreed, but "as close to the truth as is possible" doesn't mean truth... Just means "best guess".
Not when there is a convergence of evidence.

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#549316 Oct 11, 2012
Don't believe me? lol

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#549317 Oct 11, 2012
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#549318 Oct 11, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Ya mon! Cool shit!
As far as the philosophical "how and why" being intertwined is very important, I think.
I know we're heading in the right direction, scientifically but I think we need to keep philosophy involved.
To say we know "how", but not "why" suggests that we might not know how the "how" or the "why" really works, no?
I'm eating a ham sandwich. I made it myself.
-how?
With a knife, bread & ham.
-why?
<shrug>
Why did you use a knife, bread, and ham?

Because it's a tried, true, and effective method for making a ham sandwich? Some other reason... Hungry? Bored? Outta smokes? Nothing better to do? Experimenting? Got a new knife?

The question of "how" and “with what” is established.

The question of "why" is open for debate.

Why a ham sandwich? Why not boloney?

Who else cares?

You have *your* reasons.

If I wanted one and didn't know how to make it, I wouldn't ask why... I'd ask how.

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#549320 Oct 11, 2012

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#549321 Oct 11, 2012
Gate Keeper 1 wrote:
<quoted text>So...
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#549322 Oct 11, 2012
scambuster wrote:
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But the scientist's credentials is that he or she is "established!". C'mon, you know that means a lot these days!
Yeah it mean he already paid for his microscope. lol

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#549323 Oct 11, 2012
Gate Keeper 1 wrote:
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#549328 Oct 11, 2012
Gate Keeper 1 wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, in...
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#549329 Oct 11, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Wait, wait, wait.....
You mean the unproven, hypothetical Big Bang Theory, right?
It's not hypothetical , or just a best guess. There is multiple evidences that points to the fact. As I said the convergence of evidence is proof.
OCB

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#549330 Oct 11, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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For my buddy OCB:
How are husbands like lawn mowers?
They're hard to get started, they emit noxious odors, and half the time they don't work
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How does a man show he's planning for the future?
He buys two cases of beer instead of one.
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What has eight arms and an IQ of 60?
Four guys watching a football game.
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Why do doctors slap babies' butts right after they're born?
To knock the penises off the smart ones.
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Why do men have a hole in their penis?
So their brains can get some oxygen now and then.
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Why did God create man before woman?
He didn't want any advice.
Well done -funny stuff RR- gonna tell them all to my man tonight- LOL!

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#549331 Oct 11, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Isn't that the same beginning that the BBT shows? The origin of everything resulting in a "first cause"?
BBT does not question what caused "if caused" or if it was even subject to causality.

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#549332 Oct 11, 2012
Gate Keeper 1 wrote:
<quoted text>We agreed, evoltuion is simply abstract superstition and fantasy. Evolution is like trying to put a trillion piece puzzle together, while only having 4 visible pieces.
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>Philosophy and abstract superstition answers nothing. It creates a world of fantasy, which you try, in desperation, to incorporate into actuality. It is self delusion.

Deluded reply...(evolution)
We agreed, evoltuion is simply abstract superstition and fantasy. Evolution is like trying to put a trillion piece puzzle together, while only having 4 visible pieces.

LOL!

Twisted crister {{{Holey Pokey}}} Dance!!

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#549333 Oct 11, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Are any uncaused causes known to physics?
There are events that appear to break causality , and events that once happen effect the past. We as humans are bound to the arrow of time. But the with the uncertainty principle and particles coupled with the Higgs field the micro particle world is not bound to the arrow of time , this is how a photon exists in your eye but is 10 billion years old. For the photon time simply does not exist,
So it exists simultaneously the length of its trajectory and everywhere between, causality is a human perception.

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#549334 Oct 11, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
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Yes seen it, there are several people who seem quite gleefully willing to point it out to me and although it sickens me it in no way changes my argument. There are two issues here.
1 As I have always said, a person is responsible for their actions.
2 you need to remember that we are talking about grossly fundamental people here who are willing to fight (and kill children) for their point of view. What they consider an excuse to murder is not the norm in the west nor to the majority of Muslims.
You made that post and so you are responsible for making that post. She spoke her mind and she is responsible for speaking her mind, although her age mitigates that responsibility to some degree.
The gunman who shot her for speaking her mind, is responsible for shooting her.
That shooting does not shift the responsibility for her statements, she said whatever she said, she is responsible for saying what she said.
Certainly in the west just because she spoke her mind would not be an excuse to shoot her however the western attitude does not make the gunman any more or less responsible.
Also consider that I have come across several westerners on topix who have threatened to kill for their beliefs and rights, I believe you are one. What? Not the same thing? Think about it.
The difference is I threatened to kill the men who would kill little baby girls for speaking freely. This is exactly what I meant Christine. They seek to squash freedom and liberty , they seek to subjugate people and dominate them with force.
They do not wish women to learn and go to school.
They do not want women to speak period.
They want them to hide their faces and be slaves to them.

They do not accept anything the west holds dear.
Including the freedom of women to speak their minds.

I will not be intimidated and silenced by them.
I do not intend that they will silence you.
I intend to go in harms way because of this.



Liberty will come.

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Fennario

#549335 Oct 11, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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No, natural selection explains design. That's all natural selection does is explain design.
Natural selection is not abiogenesis. Those are separate theories. NS can tell you about human phylogeny, but it cannot tell you how life started.
Life happens b/c you take in equal or more energy than you expend, on average. Breathing helps.
Consciousness exists b/c humans are k-type species, highly social. Our universe is a social one. Your consciousness is an adaptation to keep you alive. It doesn't come close to governing most of your body, even though you can make your body do stuff.
Each sperm and egg contain half the parents' genomes. They combine and begin building an organism. The proteins align because of chemical gradients. Genes are switched on and off by controller genes called "HOX" genes. It's extremely complicated and very well worked out. Google it, I'm not going to explain it all here. Sorry.
Individuals are products of their environment + genetics. You developed within a certain environment and it cued your genes (they were responding to environmental input) to make you.
You're an encultured social animal. Your brain was "imprinted" with the culture and language you grew up in. You experience your culture as "normal and natural" and act as if your culture is a human universal (we all do this). Your experiences are cultural constructs, but they are also 100% real to you. Your - as in RR's - universe is a Christian universe, subjectively experienced as real and you mistakenly believe that it is objectively real for all people because of your enculturation.
It isn't. Other people in other cultures are encultured for their cultures and religions. They subjectively experience those as real and believe that their way of understanding the universe around them is normal and natural for all people.
These concepts are hard to grasp. Sorry if they are esoteric to you. Most people aren't used to thinking about their realities as learned, products of their social lives. We are adapted to treat our worldviews as if they were objectively real, so it's jarring to learn that they aren't. But they aren't. Sorry. I include myself in this, I'm human, too.
I am going to sleep now. It's quite late here. G'night!
Nice post.

If I seemed to be less interactive with you and others, it's because I haven't had much time to read the good guys' posts this week - we've been away from home with friends since last Saturday, and so I have limited time for the Internet, as well as limited Internet access. I have to visit the local restaurant for WiFi. So, I read the theists, and of course any replies to my posts, almost exclusively.

But this caught my eye.

We'll be back to our routine beginning Sunday.

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#549336 Oct 11, 2012
RickBlaine wrote:
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The First Cause, Prime Mover, argument isn't now and never was intended to be a mathematical proof of the existence of God. What it is though, is a powerful argument from experience and one stone in the foundation of the overall and overwhelming argument for the existence of God.
I would guess that in your experience you accept the causal argument in nearly every case except this one. I feel confident that, you, if while walking with companions in the verge, came upon an abandoned toaster would not require that they provide mathematical proof that the toaster didn't,(1) spontaneously generate from nothing for nothing, by nothing, or (2) that it was eternal. This is, of course, silly. And yet, you would have me believe, that when walking, we come upon the most complex machine ever encountered, or we observe the most complex system of all, that the burden of proof is on me to prove that it didn't spontaneously generate, from nothing, by nothing, for nothing. This is to take silliness to exponential hights. This is why atheists and evolutionist tend toward loudness and belligerence. They suppose that in the face of their aggression, no one will notice the absurdity of the positions they espouse.
No one, who isn't a religious atheist to begin with, would embrace those views.
So this, it seems to me, is where we stand. You began to argue from the spontaneous generation of something, from nothing, for nothing. Perhaps this wasn't your intent and I misunderstood, but this is currently the most commonly held position of religious atheists. Then you moved to (or perhaps started from) the argument from the perpetual motion machine. And you think belief in God is unreasonable?
There is no evidence of god.
But now you adhere to god being the cause.
What created god?
Why do you suppose god does not need a cause?
If causality holds true then god is not exempt.

This means it is more logical in the absence of evidence of any god. That the universe caused itself and therefore eliminating the
confusion from the start. No god required.

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#549337 Oct 11, 2012
Gate Keeper 1 wrote:
<quoted text>Try turning the page, you are stuck on a lie. What you are saying is that the 1000s of gays who are complaining and directly or indireclty involved in suing 12 government officials, so they can continue therapy, don't really know that it is helpful. In fact, you know best.
I would quibble with your language, but yes - that's essentially correct. I know better than people hoping the be cured of "the gay." So does the State of California.

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