Prove there's a god.

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Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#548856 Oct 10, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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So you're telling me that you are 16?
Uhm...are you forgetting how our conversations went?
.. Orangelion & GK are not worth your time or brilliance ..

.. use your scroll button ..

.. RR is close, very close ..

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#548857 Oct 10, 2012
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. Orangelion & GK are not worth your time or brilliance ..
.. use your scroll button ..
.. RR is close, very close ..
Yeah, Orange and GK seem like the same person.

I like RR, he's ok by me once you get past the bigotry.:)
RickBlaine

West Memphis, AR

#548858 Oct 10, 2012
Elements don't evolve because they don't reproduce. Evolution is about change - you need something that can change to have evolution. You need to have a system that includes 1) reproduction, 2) inheritable traits, 3) variation of those traits, and 3) limited resources to have evolution.

If you're missing any of those, you simply do not have a system with evolution in it.

Huh?
RickBlaine

West Memphis, AR

#548859 Oct 10, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Err...that's not actually what theory has to do in science.
Elements don't evolve because they don't reproduce. Evolution is about change - you need something that can change to have evolution. You need to have a system that includes 1) reproduction, 2) inheritable traits, 3) variation of those traits, and 3) limited resources to have evolution.
If you're missing any of those, you simply do not have a system with evolution in it.
So, let me see if I can restate your argument. Elements didn't spontaneously generate from nothing. Living things didn't evolve by chance from non-living things (elements). Therefore, neither, living things, nor nonliving things exist. Therefore, God must not exist. Is that right?

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#548860 Oct 10, 2012
RickBlaine wrote:
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So, let me see if I can restate your argument. Elements didn't spontaneously generate from nothing. Living things didn't evolve by chance from non-living things (elements). Therefore, neither, living things, nor nonliving things exist. Therefore, God must not exist. Is that right?
Huh? Uhm...the previous poster asked why molecules like Oxygen and Carbon don't evolve. The discussion, at that point, had nothing to do with the existence of God. Evolution doesn't actually prove or disprove God. Evolution is simply a tool to understand biological phenomena.

So I explained to Riverside what kind of system you need to have evolution. Evolution can only happen in systems that have: 1) inheritable traits, 2) variety in those traits, 3) scarce resources.

It's not an argument about God. It's not an argument about where atoms come from. It's just the required factors needed for a system that evolves.

Living organisms fit the requirements; they evolve.

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Since: Dec 10

The Basket of Deplorables

#548861 Oct 10, 2012
RickBlaine wrote:
Elements don't evolve because they don't reproduce. Evolution is about change - you need something that can change to have evolution. You need to have a system that includes 1) reproduction, 2) inheritable traits, 3) variation of those traits, and 3) limited resources to have evolution.
If you're missing any of those, you simply do not have a system with evolution in it.
Huh?
Elements evolve within stars. They do not reproduce they are produced from nuclear fusion by a process called nucleosynthesis.
But for heavier elements it requires a large energy input to trade
particles within the atomic nucleus .
Elements heavier than iron are created when stars go supernova.
This is by neutron capture and called s-process and r-process.

Do not confuse the evolution of matter within stars , with the evolution of life on Earth.
RickBlaine

West Memphis, AR

#548862 Oct 10, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Elements evolve within stars. They do not reproduce they are produced from nuclear fusion by a process called nucleosynthesis.
But for heavier elements it requires a large energy input to trade
particles within the atomic nucleus .
Elements heavier than iron are created when stars go supernova.
This is by neutron capture and called s-process and r-process.
Do not confuse the evolution of matter within stars , with the evolution of life on Earth.
So now your are arguing that elements do evolve? And stars spontaneously generate from nothing?And "living" stuff which is made up of the same stuff as stars evolve according to a different pattern than elements that evolve from stars?

Just Results

“Jesus is Love”

Since: Jul 12

Hutchinson, MN

#548863 Oct 10, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
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Didn't god command these, or similar "things that transpired at the time"?
Why are you asking? I thought you thought God did not exist. You wouldn't be concerned you might be wrong, would you?

Just Results

“Jesus is Love”

Since: Jul 12

Hutchinson, MN

#548864 Oct 10, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
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This is good news!
You might also be interested to know that for the first time in our history, a majority would vote for an atheist for president.
That left us in shambles.
Another mess Christians will have to clean up.

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Since: Dec 10

The Basket of Deplorables

#548865 Oct 10, 2012
RickBlaine wrote:
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So now your are arguing that elements do evolve? And stars spontaneously generate from nothing?And "living" stuff which is made up of the same stuff as stars evolve according to a different pattern than elements that evolve from stars?

Very carefully I will tell you, no I didn't say this..

"stars spontaneously generate from nothing"

But I did say this...

"that elements do evolve"

Absolutely elements evolve from processes within stars and
when stars go super nova.
Also this....

""living" stuff which is made up of the same stuff as stars evolve according to a different pattern than elements that evolve from stars"

Is a word salad.

Everything is made from the elements that were created in stars.
Life is assembled from them. I do not know exactly how life assembled itself, but we do know it evolved "independently"
From all other processes.

Just Results

“Jesus is Love”

Since: Jul 12

Hutchinson, MN

#548866 Oct 10, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
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Not with numbers like those.
The factcheckers would bury you in your own bullshit.
The fact is, you are going to Hell. Once you're buried you'll find out I'm right.

You lie a lot, I've been keeping count.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#548867 Oct 10, 2012
RickBlaine wrote:
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So now your are arguing that elements do evolve? And stars spontaneously generate from nothing?And "living" stuff which is made up of the same stuff as stars evolve according to a different pattern than elements that evolve from stars?
Aura Mythra isn't Hidingfromyou.

Personally, I wouldn't use the word "evolve" with regards to atoms. So...no, he didn't change his claim, I didn't change mine, you're confusing us as if we were one person.

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Since: Dec 10

The Basket of Deplorables

#548868 Oct 10, 2012
HFy isn't me either but this could explain the evolution of matter to you.

http://www.nikhef.nl/pub/theory/academiclectu...
RickBlaine

West Memphis, AR

#548869 Oct 10, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Huh? Uhm...the previous poster asked why molecules like Oxygen and Carbon don't evolve. The discussion, at that point, had nothing to do with the existence of God. Evolution doesn't actually prove or disprove God. Evolution is simply a tool to understand biological phenomena.
So I explained to Riverside what kind of system you need to have evolution. Evolution can only happen in systems that have: 1) inheritable traits, 2) variety in those traits, 3) scarce resources.
It's not an argument about God. It's not an argument about where atoms come from. It's just the required factors needed for a system that evolves.
Living organisms fit the requirements; they evolve.
But the kind of system you describe seems to require a Designer according to your description of it, wouldn't you say? Even to say that a system is required implies a system designer.

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#548870 Oct 10, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Studies of children of gay households reveal that the children are better adjusted, on average, then in other household situations.
"Adjusted?"

I've never met a kid raised in a gay household who was what anyone could describe as happy and/or well "adjusted".

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#548871 Oct 10, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Aura Mythra isn't Hidingfromyou.
Mytha.(See, nano? I'm correcting somebody in my "group.")

Mithra is the Zoroastrian divinity (yazata) of covenant and oath.

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#548872 Oct 10, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
HFy isn't me either but this could explain the evolution of matter to you.
http://www.nikhef.nl/pub/theory/academiclectu...
Hey thanks, I get it now.

But this one has me stumped: &#8594; &#945;+= &#1113090;1 + 2 × 7 8 &#1113091; &#945;B = 11 4 &#945;B

It's a quagmire.
RickBlaine

West Memphis, AR

#548873 Oct 10, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Very carefully I will tell you, no I didn't say this..
"stars spontaneously generate from nothing"
But I did say this...
"that elements do evolve"
Absolutely elements evolve from processes within stars and
when stars go super nova.
Also this....
""living" stuff which is made up of the same stuff as stars evolve according to a different pattern than elements that evolve from stars"
Is a word salad.
Everything is made from the elements that were created in stars.
Life is assembled from them. I do not know exactly how life assembled itself, but we do know it evolved "independently"
From all other processes.
You still have stars spontaneously generating. Else, where did they come from in order to be able to create the elements from which everything is made?

Word salad, indeed, and faith. You do not "know", but you know. Faith- the substance of things hoped for. But your faith is in spontaneous generation. Mine stands on firmer ground.

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#548874 Oct 10, 2012
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>"Adjusted?"
I've never met a kid raised in a gay household who was what anyone could describe as happy and/or well "adjusted".
I have.

And I've also met kids raised in heterosexual households who were not happy and/or well "adjusted."

But anecdotal stuff is not of much value.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#548875 Oct 10, 2012
RickBlaine wrote:
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But the kind of system you describe seems to require a Designer according to your description of it, wouldn't you say? Even to say that a system is required implies a system designer.
No, I wouldn't say that. Why would you? What are your reasons for requiring a designer for any given system? Can you point to factors in the equation that require design?

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