Prove there's a god.

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#548421 Oct 9, 2012
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>HARDLY BOOOOTS.
We are arguing preponderance of evidence of actuality vs. abstract(which has no ground in actuality). Therefore the result of abstract claims(actions) has to show bearing as actual resulting evidence to equate as evidence of argument. Otherwise there is no argument, nor contest for argument.
Relating to God, there is no evidence of actuality, and lots of evidence of the abstract - the beliefs do exist, and some of the believers really do believe; not just say they do. Here I can argue only against claimed proofs of the existence of a god, or of supernatural events which believers claimed happened, but I know from what I have learned there is no proof these things happened, or they have proved to be false (as in the case of the Ark, which has definitely been proved in many ways to be totally false).

I know also that no miracles have ever been scientifically proved to occur, and all claims of miracles, even those claimed to be witnessed by more than one person are very suspect as to being anything more than a natural phenomena or a fake or a myth.

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#548422 Oct 9, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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So, assume that 99% of gays are happy being gay, ok? So then you'd assume that the 1% isn't happy with it. What's wrong with them seeking help or therapy to dissuade their tendancies?
I would guess that many homosexuals need to seek therapy, especially in a homophobic country such as the USA, because they find themselves in a condition which affects them the rest of their lives, and they know that some of the public will persecute them, many will tease them, many will make rude comments about them, and try to keep them from participating in various things that all other humans have the right to do, and in some cases some will even kill or try to kill them. That has to be stressful.

For a very few who think they are gay but truly want to be heterosexual, which I cannot imagine why, then these people will need major psychological help, and possibly hormonal treatments (if such is possible to change their sexual desires into something different than they actually are). Those who have been brainwashed by a religious fanatical organization to think they are evil and must change are being abused by their religion and should get the hell away from it.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#548426 Oct 9, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
No, I just stupidly like arguing with the uninformed. Maybe I'm afraid of doing real work and engaging professionals.
Gate Keeper 1 wrote:
Agreed.
It's good you know that you're the uninformed.

Have you found a psychologist who can help you with your many, many issues yet?

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#548431 Oct 9, 2012
Gate Keeper 1 wrote:
<quoted text>Booots, you open your mouth and spew and you think that is okay. 80% of all AIDS cases in Canada are gays, so is that due to homophobia in Canada. With all the gays being hunted down and persecuted in the USA, boooots, you would think that gays would have a better case to point to other than the 1998, Matthew Shepard case, especially since in 2004, they found out that McKinney, his murderer was his gay lover and the murder was not a hate crime, but a crime for money and drugs. This was confirmed by ABC and the prosecutor.
How do you explain this, boooots?:
Jamie Hubley, Gay 15-Year-Old Ottawa, Canada Teen Commits Suicide ...
www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/17/jamie-huble... ...
Oct 17, 2011 · Jamie Hubley, a gay 15-year-old from Ottawa, Canada, committed suicide on Friday. The 10th grade student documented his life, including his …
Gay Ottawa teen who killed himself was bullied - Ottawa - CBC News
www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/story/2011/10/1... ...
The father of a gay Ottawa teen who committed suicide Saturday told CBC News his son was constantly bullied throughout elementary school and into high school. Allan ...
Youth Suicide Canada Statistics| Canadian Task Force on …
www.canadiancrc.com/Youth_Suicide_in_Canada.a...
In Canada, suicide is the second highest cause of death ... on average, 294 youths die from suicide. Many more attempt suicide. Aboriginal teens and gay ...
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Another horrific gay teen suicide caused by bullying, I'm so sad to report. Gay 15-year-old Ottawa, Canada teen Jamie Hubley killed himself on Friday. Bullying …
Suicide in Canada - Fathers for Life
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Gay Issues: Hate, Hoaxes and Propaganda: Health: Help Lines for Men: History ... There are other recommendations in Suicide in Canada (1994), but there is nothing …
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Oct 17, 2011 · Only weeks after a 14-year-old openly gay boy in Buffalo, New York committed suicide after enduring repeated bullying from his classmates, it’s …
Ottawa boy's suicide affects gay teens - Ottawa - CBC News
www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/story/2011/10/1... ...
The suicide of 15-year-old Jamie Hubley has stretched far beyond the nation's capital, affecting other gay and lesbian teenagers across Canada. Hubley wrote on his ...
Were all of those links about the same event to support my statement? I know that gays are prone to depression because of how society treats them.

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#548433 Oct 9, 2012
Gate Keeper 1 wrote:
<quoted text>In America alone there are over 50,000 ex-gays and 10 ex-gayu organizations. What has hormonal treatment got to do with it, they are not transsexuals? The rate of suicide among ex-gays is almost nonexistent compared to the rate among gays. That is odd, since ex-gays find difficult finding a voice among heterosexuals and they are prersecuted by gays and hated by gays. Yeah right, boooots, and the pedophiles, rapists and incest can claim the same thing about their sin. No, we should not judge thieves, since they were likely just hungry, and so we should let them go. So, if theif kills someone, then we should just call it collateral damage.
""Conversion" or "reparative" therapies include a wide variety of techniques from counseling to shock therapy to -- in extreme cases -- exorcism, used in an attempt to "cure" individuals of their homosexual and transgender orientations and identities. However, in recent years, even those who once championed the idea that someone can convert to heterosexuality have admitted that viewpoint is flawed.

In April, Dr. Robert Spitzer, author of a landmark 2001 study that claimed gay people could be alleviated of their homosexuality, admitted that, "In retrospect, I have to admit I think the critiques [of my study] are largely correct... The findings can be considered evidence for what those who have undergone ex-gay therapy say about it, but nothing more.”

As SFGate.com reported, Brown said, "This bill bans non-scientific 'therapies' that have driven young people to depression and suicide. These practices have no basis in science or medicine and they will now be relegated to the dustbin of quackery."

In a press release, the Human Rights Campaign responded to Brown's signing of the bill:

"We're grateful to Governor Brown for standing with California's children. LGBT youth will now be protected from a practice that has not only been debunked as junk science, but has been proven to have drastically negative effects on their well-being. We commend Governor Brown for putting children first, and call on all states to take California’s lead on this issue. We will continue our fight against this kind of child abuse, which has been deemed harmful to children by all major mental health, medical, and child welfare organizations."

Are you referring to the 50,000 people who signed a petition to gov Brown? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/30/jerr...

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#548434 Oct 9, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah.
THAT part's not exaggerated.
OR metaphorical.
THAT part's real.
So sayeth RR.
All hail RR.
Yeah. But "in the beginning" is only the first 3 words.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#548435 Oct 9, 2012
Gate Keeper 1 wrote:
<quoted text>So...
Hey, glad you're still meticulously keeping up with each and every one of my posts!

You might actually learn something.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#548436 Oct 9, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
No, Hiding, when God created the Earth, it was pure. Humans & all the other animals are wrecking it in a lot of ways, including things like malaria.
Just because God created the Earth doesn't mean He created everything thereafter. Does that make sense?
So...God is an accretion disk at a gravity well???

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#548437 Oct 9, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Yes, Hiding, I get that a lot of other mammals commit to gay sex. I know that. I used to have a dog that'd screw a knot hole if it had fresh sap in it... That doesn't make it natural, though. He's just a dumb dog. Humans aren't like other animals.
You and Nano use the word "natural" to mean "in agreement with my understanding of morality, given to me by my religion."

For some strange reason, you don't think animals are natural - you expressed this "...just a dumb dog." So animals can't be natural because they're dumb.

Then you say that humans performing homosexual behavior aren't natural because...humans are "not like other animals."

In other words "natural" to you means "Riverside approves of."

You have so distorted the meaning of natural that it no longer holds meaning - it can't even refer to the animal world in your views. You were more honest when you simply said "I don't like gays." Now you're just distorting words and moving goal posts to illogically back up your religious dislike of a behavior you don't understand.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#548438 Oct 9, 2012
boooots wrote:
<quoted text>
Relating to God, there is no evidence of actuality, and lots of evidence of the abstract - the beliefs do exist, and some of the believers really do believe; not just say they do. Here I can argue only against claimed proofs of the existence of a god, or of supernatural events which believers claimed happened, but I know from what I have learned there is no proof these things happened, or they have proved to be false (as in the case of the Ark, which has definitely been proved in many ways to be totally false).
I know also that no miracles have ever been scientifically proved to occur, and all claims of miracles, even those claimed to be witnessed by more than one person are very suspect as to being anything more than a natural phenomena or a fake or a myth.
There ya go! That's what I'm talking about.

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#548439 Oct 9, 2012
Gate Keeper 1 wrote:
<quoted text>Why are you telling me. I was the cop in the Village People.
I would have pegged you for the Indian Chief. Feathers and all.

“Why does my ignorance”

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#548440 Oct 9, 2012
Gate Keeper 1 wrote:
<quoted text>So, that is why you are such an angry poster.
reported

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#548441 Oct 9, 2012
Gate Keeper 1 wrote:
<quoted text>So your argument is that animals are not animals, and you are not smart. Well, it kind of proves itself.
Don't you have a 12 year old to molest? Maybe a lamb? Puppy?

Big chewy toy?

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#548442 Oct 10, 2012
Gate Keeper 1 wrote:
<quoted text>So, that is why you are such an angry poster.
Hi Viking!
How are the new socks ? You were a busy boy knitting in August.

How long before this batch gets chucked in the hamper by the mods ?

BTW, Jesus wasn't resurrected and isn't God.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#548443 Oct 10, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's the link I posted earlier:
http://dss.ucsd.edu/~jmoore/publications/Chit...
There's a 2004 or 2006 article that covers the various theories of the origin of HIV/AIDS, but from an evolutionary standpoint, this argument makes the most sense.
Since that paper, the number of steps between chimpanzee and human (HIV1) and wooly mangabe and human (HIV2) has been confirmed as 3 and 7 respectively.
It basically goes like this: Chimp virus gets into a human host. Normally, it would die within 2 weeks as our immune systems would wipe it out. In that window, it gets into another person via dirty needle sharing (vaccinations and vitamin shots - forced, by colonial powers, limited cleaning agents for the needles, no time to boil them). What gets injected into patient #2 are the viruses that survive well in human bodies - the only ones doing ok. But it's still not a human virus, so another two week window before s/he kills it.
Same thing - dirty needles, shared by many. The virus gets into someone else (or a few people, since the needles are reused, over and over). This is the third jump - it's a human virus now.
HIV2 took 4 more jumps.
In the colonial period, labor was miserable, food and nutrition, poor, and vaccinations and vitamin shots frequent. Back in those days, vaccinations required many shots over several days. And they used reusable glass needles that were supposed to be boiled or bleached. But they didn't have the time or the care. There are photos of hundreds and hundreds of people lined up with needles being rinsed in bloody water.
Incidentally, that's how the largest ebola outbreak happened - needle reuse at a village hospital during vaccinations. I believe 300 people were killed.
Thanks.

Makes more sense than the older idea and ties in with the BBC link.

That reusing of needles is bad. I recently went to a funeral of a childhood friend, he turned junky for a while but rehabilitated and became a leading member of his local society and councillor. While he was down he contracted Hep C from sharing needles and recently died of HCV induced leukaemia at age 41

“There's a feeling I get...”

Since: Jun 11

...when I look to the West

#548444 Oct 10, 2012
Orangelion wrote:
What in the bible wasn't sccurate? Mention and exampe and give reasons for it. Sorry kid, but no one who is 16 can be an archaeologist.
Oh, you wat examples?

1) The talking snake
2) The talking bush
3) The talking donkey
4) Beams of fire from the sky
5) Red sea parting
6) Legions of men struck by blindness
7) Resurrection
8) Angels
9) Global flood
10) Garden of Eden

That's a start.

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Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#548445 Oct 10, 2012
Orangelion wrote:
<quoted text>It is proven that the bible is historically accurate, everywhere, it was written by thw authors before people where even advanced and knew about such history, that must mean they have got all the knowledge from a God to be so accurate before the knowledge was even in the grasp of humans. As well as that, their is historical evidence to back up jesus resurrection, his resurrection itself, why raised him from the dead? Was it some type of evolution in genes making his body adapt to making itself alive again? You have all the proof you need, I don't want to hear anything else that young hidingfromyou has to say.
The only proofs concerning the bible are the proofs that it is fiction.

That's the truth.

And you can't handle the truth.

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Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#548446 Oct 10, 2012
Orangelion wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus had an empty tomb like it has said in the bible, with his clothes folded neatly. The romans existed, the christians being persecuted was mentioned.
"At the turn of the century, skeptics viewed the Bible as myth rather than real world history . For example, the Bible makes over 40 references to the great Hittite Empire.."
The hittites actually existed just like in the bible.

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Judas of the Galilean also known as Judas of the Sicari, that terrorist leader who was captured with the help of Saulus (your St Paul) and crucified for his crimes had an empty tomb because his terrorist buddies had spirited him away. Yes the Romans existed, the details of his trial and crucifixion are evidenced in the Roman archives. There is no evidence for the crucifixion of anyone names Jesus, no tax records either although there are tax records for his claimed mother and his claimed brother. The mother and brother of the terrorist Judas.

The precursors of the christian movement were lead by John the Baptiser, records are available in the Roman archives and the writings of Saulus (your St Paul). After Saulus was spirited away by Rome (for his protection from the fourth philosophy - Judas’s group) his small band of followers joined with Johns larger band.

Only later did they become known as christians when the name Jesus was coined as the Hebrew records were translated into Greek so avoid confusion with name Judas Iscariot

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Yes a lot of places and people mentioned in the babble actually existed, some reality often helps a good myth. That does not mean the story lines are accurate.

Creation is incorrect, the earth is proven to be billions of years older than the babble claims, factual evidence outweighs a bronze age guess every time.

Adam and Eve is incorrect. Research into mitochondrial DNA proves female progenitor of the human race existed over 75000 years before the male progenetor. So was Adam into necrophilia big time or did bronze age man not know the facts? I realise this is confusing for you but it simply means that of several strains of paternal DNA have died out.

How about the great flood? The arguments against it are numerous, I will only offer a few. Even today with modern technology and genetic manipulation of tree fibres it is impossible (IMPOSSIBLE) to construct a vessel of the dimensions specified from wood. Even the acclaimed ark that birthed in London during the Olympics had to use a steel frame. How did over 8 million species (more than 16 million animals) fit. More than because remember some went in by 7s and some in pairs? Where were the blue whales stored? Who searched the then unknown continents for animals? Who did the feeding? Where was the food stored for almost a year without refrigeration? Some of those species were carnivores so you are saying that less came out then went in? Who did the mucking out?

Then of course we are all supposed to have sprung up from the survivors, was it 8 people? All related? So you are saying we are all the result of inbreeding? Honey, you may be the result of incest but I can be pretty sure that I am not. Anyway, see the Adam and Eve objections.

OK, how about Sodom and Gomorrah? Where was the nova? Fusion is required to create one element from another. The creation of sodium from carbon needs the explosion of a second generation star.

Them there bronze age guys didn’t know to much about facts did they?

The evidence of the Hittite empire does not confirm the babble, it confirms the Hittites existed, this we already knew, there are engraving in Egypt commemorating the battle of Kadesh dating from more than 3200 years ago and Egyptian records catalogue dealing with the Hittites long before this.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#548447 Oct 10, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>It depends on the sources of those "research papers". If someone is doing research to prove that homosexuality is normal, they'll no doubt have "proof" of it.
Kinda like if somebody is doing research to prove the bible is true?

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and still got most of it left

#548448 Oct 10, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I did say "like".....
Back then, people were married at, what, 12?
Laws change, my dear. People grow and their knowledge grows... It's what we call profress.
Who said you said like?

Yes and that means what? That under the age of 18 you were liable to be stoned – as I said, children. Either live with what your good book tells you or don’t but don’t make it up to suite yourself.

Life span has increased my dear and so wisdom and knowledge (usually) increase with that extended life span. People (usually) become less likely to interpret bronze age stories using today’s understanding and go off how life actually was in the bronze age.

That still makes not difference to the fact that you worship a god who condoned child murder, rape, slavery, mass murder and genocide

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