“I started out with nothing”

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and still got most of it left

#547639 Oct 8, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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So then you didn't learn..
ok
Typically and some

It looks like you are still unable to read or is it just a case of bad christain cherry picking

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#547640 Oct 8, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I don't take the Bible literally. I posted that many times.
But, I'm curious - How do you think the Bible (or religion) equates to misery?
When the Bible is used to attack people and claim that they are wrong as people (as it was against Jews, as it is now against homosexuals and atheists). The Bible condoned genocide of the Malachites - not an overly moral book from the world's only "perfect being." It's also used to attack science, history and thus, education. For example, stem cell research was largely cancelled in your country because of the president's religious beliefs. That allowed other nations to exceed yours and develop stronger biotech programs (it also allowed your country to develop alternatives that may have gone unexplored for a while, but are turning out not as powerful as stem cells - so religion isn't necessarily bad ONLY because people find a way around it).

So I see the Bible as being used as a tool to further people's misery. It doesn't have to be used thusly. There's lots of wisdom in it. It could be used to build meaningful spiritual lives but in many cases, or perhaps just in the loudest cases, it's not.

You know, the early Christian leaders, when debating what books to include in the Bible, nearly left the entire OT out? Some people argue that you would have had a much better religion had you done so. The OT is, of course, where you get the angry, genocidal, jealous God.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#547641 Oct 8, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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What did the Redneck say when the dishwasher broke?
...
...
"Get back to work, honey!"
And that's when Hiding gets violent.

:)

"I. Said. No. Dishes."

<moping the blood of the floor, clenched teeth>

"Thank you for the beer, though!"

:)

“ONE NATION UNDER GOD!”

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Cincinnati Ohio

#547642 Oct 8, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
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Nope.
YEP.

just heard today Congressman Paul Broun (U.S Rep)
say at a meeting that "Evolution is a lie from hell."

couldn't agree more.

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#547643 Oct 8, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>Kitten has posted youtube videos?

I haven't seen any. Can you link one?
I think she uses the same name on YouTube.

I've seen a couple.

“I see quantum effects”

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#547644 Oct 8, 2012
Gate Keeper 1 wrote:
<quoted text>Hiding has mother hate issues.
That's not true.

I kidnapped her parents once and she made me give them back.

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#547645 Oct 8, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =gPKH_XjY5aIXX
Please don't worry, Riverside, there's a cure on the horizon.
LMAO! Whatever! "gay scientists are counseling Christians"

Even as a Christian, that was funny right there!

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#547646 Oct 8, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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When the Bible is used to attack people and claim that they are wrong as people (as it was against Jews, as it is now against homosexuals and atheists). The Bible condoned genocide of the Malachites - not an overly moral book from the world's only "perfect being." It's also used to attack science, history and thus, education. For example, stem cell research was largely cancelled in your country because of the president's religious beliefs. That allowed other nations to exceed yours and develop stronger biotech programs (it also allowed your country to develop alternatives that may have gone unexplored for a while, but are turning out not as powerful as stem cells - so religion isn't necessarily bad ONLY because people find a way around it).
So I see the Bible as being used as a tool to further people's misery. It doesn't have to be used thusly. There's lots of wisdom in it. It could be used to build meaningful spiritual lives but in many cases, or perhaps just in the loudest cases, it's not.
You know, the early Christian leaders, when debating what books to include in the Bible, nearly left the entire OT out? Some people argue that you would have had a much better religion had you done so. The OT is, of course, where you get the angry, genocidal, jealous God.
As long as the Bible's been around, it has taught the same thing about gays. Saying that it is "now" against homosexuals is incorrect.

There is a lot of wisdom on the Bible, I agree. SOME Christians & CHristian leaders have used its teaching immoraly & unjustly. But only some.

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#547647 Oct 8, 2012
Gate Keeper 1 wrote:
<quoted text>No,you prefer Tampon, the only time she uses one is when she writes her name. I heard you came from a family of pig farmers..........You parents got tired of being around pigs all day and wanted a child.......when you were 5 years old, they told you, 7 years and still no child....oink....
You're thinking of Buck.

Whole other animal.

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#547648 Oct 8, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>Can't we all just get along?
Nope.

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#547649 Oct 8, 2012
Gate Keeper 1 wrote:
<quoted text>No, your iggits are incapable, I guess it is an atheist mental disorder.

How dare you say a word to Nano, for responding to the trash garbage that you are a part of. Homosexuality is a mental disorder, and lesbians primarily take it out on normal peoples, due to their abnormality.
What the hell are his iggits?

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#547650 Oct 8, 2012
Gate Keeper 1 wrote:
<quoted text>you're
That makes even less sense.

I didn't think that was possible.

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#547651 Oct 8, 2012
Gate Keeper 1 wrote:
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. if someone says, "I don't like anyone who indulges in oral sex because the bible calls it an abomination," it's the same as saying "I dislike everyone who indulges in oral sex." It's all prejudice and bigotry and has nothing to do with the person ..
.. replace 'oral sex' with homosexuality'........
"I don't like homosexuals because the bible calls the practice an abomination," and it's the same as saying "I dislike all homosexuals."

__________
So, if you say that you do not like pedophiles, rapists, gays and incest because they are gays, it's the same as saying "I dislike everyone who indulges in immoral sex. You think it is all prejudice and bigotry, and has nothing to dow with the person.

The problem with your analogy is this, there is no such thing as a homosexual person. There are people who engage in homosexual behavior, so when a person says that I know that homosexual sex is wrong and a sin, it jsut like saying murder is wrong and a sin, it has nothing to do with the person but all to do with the behavior, which can be changed.

****FUNNY THING, GAYS HATE THAT THEY WANT SPECIAL RIGHTS, BUT WHEN WE APPLY THE SAME THING TO OTHER BEHAVIORS,WE FIND GAYS DISMISSING THEM*******

******KEY THING: INSERT INCEST, PEDOPHILES, RAPISTS AND MURDERERS INTO ANY GAYS CALL GAY RIGHTS, AND SEE HOW IT SOUNDS TO THEM.****
How long have you known you were gay?

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#547652 Oct 8, 2012
Gate Keeper 1 wrote:
Their....
Yay!

Gold star.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#547653 Oct 8, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
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That's not true.
I kidnapped her parents once and she made me give them back.
Heh, heh, heh, you still haven't figured out where I put yours.

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#547654 Oct 8, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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As long as the Bible's been around, it has taught the same thing about gays. Saying that it is "now" against homosexuals is incorrect.
There is a lot of wisdom on the Bible, I agree. SOME Christians & CHristian leaders have used its teaching immoraly & unjustly. But only some.
It wasn't always interpreted that way, though. The word "homosexuality" didn't exist in its current definition until around 1930 - Freud introduced it as it stands. It probably was used this way among the general populace up to 10 years earlier, though.

Prior to that, in the late 1800's, homosexuality was a medical diagnosis for someone who had too much sex with the same sex. Heterosexuality was its opposite: someone who had too much sex with the opposite sex. At that time, sexologists believed that too much sex was dangerous and was therefore a medical category.

Prior to these times, non-opposite intercourse was covered by the word "sodomy." It didn't just mean anal sex as it does now, but covered everything that was considered not normal (i.e., not missionary position). If you go back to pre-Luther, then the Bible isn't even in English, but in Latin. So it had different meanings at that time, too.

Also, if you read the sexual history of the church, all throughout, priests and nuns were enjoying all kinds of sexual behavior, including same sex encounters - with brief interludes where one bishop or another would get all upity and forbid it. In the 15th century a famous anti-same sex bishop died and at his funeral, one bishop said to another "oh, thank god. Now we can go back to buggering."

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To your second point: if you religion hates people based on their sexual preferences (assuming adult consenting sex here), it's not a moral religion. Moral goodness does not include bigotry.

If you really have the "perfect being" behind your religion, He Created same sex sexual behavior, too. You want to interpret that He concurrently hates it but is all-loving? That makes no sense.

A perfectly moral being wouldn't judge people the way that you or I do. I expect true leadership in morals from those who claim access to divinity - but I never see it. Why not? Why don't Christians inspire us all with their closeness to perfect?

Seriously - doesn't your connection to the Almighty, the Creator of the Universe give you some sense of peace and happiness where you can understand and accept all of His Creations? I really don't get it. If a perfect being spoke to me, I'd be happy about it.

:p

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#547655 Oct 8, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Someone who stops taking the Bible literally, learns to respect differences and adds happiness to the world instead of misery.
(I almost wrote: one who becomes an atheist)
:)
could you please define 'respecting differences'? it's always very confusing to me that people who use such terms are the very one's who can't seem to respect any one who disagrees with them.....:(

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#547656 Oct 8, 2012
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>It is okay. According to CM if you are christian you can go out and kill people and blame it on her hateful posts and then the murders that you committed will be her fault for making anti-religious comments in the first place.
Once again, a horrid anti=theist immediately referring to violence while trying to debate me. Can you use some other type of examples next time? Your evil , wicked, death-wishing examples are so , so ,... so "atheistic" of you. Try something new next time, like kindness. Oh wait, you are not capable of that.

Christine M is wrong, so your example failed right out of the gate.

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#547657 Oct 8, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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It wasn't always interpreted that way, though. The word "homosexuality" didn't exist in its current definition until around 1930 - Freud introduced it as it stands. It probably was used this way among the general populace up to 10 years earlier, though.
Prior to that, in the late 1800's, homosexuality was a medical diagnosis for someone who had too much sex with the same sex. Heterosexuality was its opposite: someone who had too much sex with the opposite sex. At that time, sexologists believed that too much sex was dangerous and was therefore a medical category.
Prior to these times, non-opposite intercourse was covered by the word "sodomy." It didn't just mean anal sex as it does now, but covered everything that was considered not normal (i.e., not missionary position). If you go back to pre-Luther, then the Bible isn't even in English, but in Latin. So it had different meanings at that time, too.
Also, if you read the sexual history of the church, all throughout, priests and nuns were enjoying all kinds of sexual behavior, including same sex encounters - with brief interludes where one bishop or another would get all upity and forbid it. In the 15th century a famous anti-same sex bishop died and at his funeral, one bishop said to another "oh, thank god. Now we can go back to buggering."
---
To your second point: if you religion hates people based on their sexual preferences (assuming adult consenting sex here), it's not a moral religion. Moral goodness does not include bigotry.
If you really have the "perfect being" behind your religion, He Created same sex sexual behavior, too. You want to interpret that He concurrently hates it but is all-loving? That makes no sense.
A perfectly moral being wouldn't judge people the way that you or I do. I expect true leadership in morals from those who claim access to divinity - but I never see it. Why not? Why don't Christians inspire us all with their closeness to perfect?
Seriously - doesn't your connection to the Almighty, the Creator of the Universe give you some sense of peace and happiness where you can understand and accept all of His Creations? I really don't get it. If a perfect being spoke to me, I'd be happy about it.
:p
Ok, the word "homosexuality" is relatively new to describe gays. But in the Bible it says that one man can not lay with another man the way he would with a woman, it is an abomination. Pretty cut & dry, eh?

And to your second point, my religion does not hate people based on their sexual preferences, so....

God did not create homosexuality no more than He created S&M... Homosexuality is man-made & not natural.

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#547658 Oct 8, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
It wasn't always interpreted that way, though. The word "homosexuality" didn't exist in its current definition until around 1930 - Freud introduced it as it stands. It probably was used this way among the general populace up to 10 years earlier, though.
Prior to that, in the late 1800's, homosexuality was a medical diagnosis for someone who had too much sex with the same sex. Heterosexuality was its opposite: someone who had too much sex with the opposite sex. At that time, sexologists believed that too much sex was dangerous and was therefore a medical category.
Prior to these times, non-opposite intercourse was covered by the word "sodomy." It didn't just mean anal sex as it does now, but covered everything that was considered not normal (i.e., not missionary position). If you go back to pre-Luther, then the Bible isn't even in English, but in Latin. So it had different meanings at that time, too.
Also, if you read the sexual history of the church, all throughout, priests and nuns were enjoying all kinds of sexual behavior, including same sex encounters - with brief interludes where one bishop or another would get all upity and forbid it. In the 15th century a famous anti-same sex bishop died and at his funeral, one bishop said to another "oh, thank god. Now we can go back to buggering."
---
To your second point: if you religion hates people based on their sexual preferences (assuming adult consenting sex here), it's not a moral religion. Moral goodness does not include bigotry.
If you really have the "perfect being" behind your religion, He Created same sex sexual behavior, too. You want to interpret that He concurrently hates it but is all-loving? That makes no sense.
A perfectly moral being wouldn't judge people the way that you or I do. I expect true leadership in morals from those who claim access to divinity - but I never see it. Why not? Why don't Christians inspire us all with their closeness to perfect?
Seriously - doesn't your connection to the Almighty, the Creator of the Universe give you some sense of peace and happiness where you can understand and accept all of His Creations? I really don't get it. If a perfect being spoke to me, I'd be happy about it.
:p
enough of ancient times; what are your personal feelings on sodomy?;)

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