Prove there's a god.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#525527 Aug 10, 2012
YELLODOG wrote:
<quoted text>
i never 'INSISTED' it was there.
i said it was ACCORDING TO THE NEWS ARTICLES (you called liars)
said it was suppose to sail there.
PERIOD.
stop making a federal case out a simple statment.
YES- you DID insist the arc was in London at that very moment you were talking about it. You insisted it was on display.

The news articles you posted were OLD news- from over a YEAR ago.

BTW, do tell us again that "under god" was in the original pledge as written by Ralph Bellamy, then post the same link you posted in an effort to support that lie- that very same link which proved you WRONG since "under god" was NOT added to the pledge until 1954.

I realize you're pleased as punch with yourself that you're able to do research at all- quit resting on THOSE laurels and when you do research, be sure it is current and up to date and don't post links which prove that you have NO idea of what you are talking about.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#525528 Aug 10, 2012
Sorry- *ark*

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#525529 Aug 10, 2012
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>BTW, "plus 'interest'"????
Okay- those LITERAL pennies sure will make a difference- maybe in 30 years or so and maybe not.
Banks don't really pay ANY substantial interest any more- what DECADE are you living in???
So enjoy counting up that maximum interest of MAYBE 4% assuming you're even getting that because the less you have in the account the lower the interest rate and there are many banks where you won't even get 1% unless you have a minimum of $25,000 in the account.
Count those pennies!!! There gonna go a LONG way should you ever face a catastrophic illness or injury.
Here's a little story for ya:
Back in 1972- when health insurance was very reasonably priced, when DOCTORS made medical decisions instead of SUITS behind desks in insurance companies, when ALL employers offered health insurance at ZERO cost to their employees I worked with a young woman in an office where of course, we had health insurance 100% paid for by our employer.
She elected NOT to take the insurance because she was suspicious that if she had it, THEN something would happen to her.
Well, about a month or so after she declined coverage, she was crossing Third Avenue one day (this was in Manhattan) and this is when super high platform shoes were all the rage.....well, she tripped, she fell and she broke her foot in four places.
Back then, medical costs were nowhere near as high as they are now, but it STILL took her several years to pay off the doctor and hospital.
And AFTER that incident, she couldn't sign up for insurance fast enough and I'll never forget how she so regretted not having had it to begin with.
Things HAPPEN, bub- and your current $5000 will get you NOWHERE quick.
You talk about next year and the year after that; in the meantime, you have NO way of knowing what health issue or injury might befall you TOMORROW.
YOUR life, YOUR choice and basically YOUR problem except for people like me who have health insurance and pay dearly for it with part of those premiums trickling down to pay for health care for those who don't have insurance, like YOU, for example.
I guess that kind of "socialism" is perfectly fine with you.
Yes, it is my choice. Which bothers you that I don't conform to your standards of living.

If I did break my foot, like your story, I'd rather pay the hospital than an insurance company, anyway

“ONE NATION UNDER GOD!”

Since: Jan 09

Cincinnati Ohio

#525530 Aug 10, 2012
Passing Through wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not intellectually retarded like you so I can't say whether being so physically hurts; hence the question to YOU.
<quoted text>
Maybe you should reflect on the fact your posts are laced with lies and stupidity.
<quoted text>
You chose to comment upon obvious extraneous items in another's post rather than address the actual relevant content so who are you to whine about what I choose to comment upon in your posts?
LOL oh really? your not retarded like i am? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

'child' you are don't know it, but people who go around calling others retarded simply to be rude are not intellent themself.

the fact you feel the need to call me that, pretty much reveals the true nature of who you are.....

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#525531 Aug 10, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, it is my choice. Which bothers you that I don't conform to your standards of living.
If I did break my foot, like your story, I'd rather pay the hospital than an insurance company, anyway
But you wouldn't HAVE the money to pay the hospital AND doctor- why can you SEE that?

Your $5000 would NOT cover the cost of a really bad and multiple break in your foot! A really bad break could also mean you would need physical therapy- just how far do you think your PIDDLY $5000 would take you??

Geez, given your antiquated mindset about health care, you might as well try to barter chickens or something for medical care!

No....what bothers me is through MY insurance premiums picking up the SLACK for the uninsured like YOU.

And it's NOT about who you would rather pay- it's about being ABLE to pay- and you do not get this!!!

What bothers YOU is that I don't conform to YOUR standards of living...i.e, that I don't and won't own a gun, for instance.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#525532 Aug 10, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
What?!? Did you even read my post? I didn't say "a day is a thousand years"...
If you just wanna argue, go find someone else.
Wow- you sure are big on accusing others of not reading your posts.....

Perhaps you might want to consider that you don't express yourself well in some of your posts.

You keep blaming the reader instead of considering that as the author, it could be YOU that causes the confusion when others read your posts.

“ONE NATION UNDER GOD!”

Since: Jan 09

Cincinnati Ohio

#525533 Aug 10, 2012
boooots wrote:
<quoted text>
BM, with respect, as always, I am interested in knowing what that new historical evidence is that we are discovering that supports the beliefs in God, or in Christianity.
Aside from Creationist sites, some of the claims of fanatics who claim that the earth and all that is in/or it was created some few thousand years ago, and some sites from that group in the USA which claims to be the authority on Christianity (the name escapes me, but it is cited often by Yellodog), I cannot find any information to indicate that we have more evidence, but rather, in fact, most of what I find is that it is becoming more and more clear, and accepted by more people, that all of the belief is based on myths.
We know, because it has been regurgitated here thousands of times that nothing provided by anyone on this site has panned out to be valid evidence. It seems to be the most reasonable conclusion is that we should accept the devout believers' statements that God is something of belief, not evidence.
I agree that believing blindly is not a good thing, however it seems the only legitimate thing to do, based entirely on the fact, and I completely believe it to be factual, that not any evidence has ever been found to verify that the god(s), written about in the Bible or in any other texts of other religions, actually exist.
I am completely comfortable in the knowledge that most people in the world believe in some form of a god, and that some 2+ billion people claim to believe in the Christian concept of God, though they are probably of 2+ billion different opinions of exactly who or what that God is, and let it go at that, with only the reservation that no belief should place any other human being in any harm, and that no belief should be forced on any other person, against their will and their mature adult decision.
you hang onto your delusion like a dog holds onto a bone.
even when you have been told and shown you choose the delusion over the truth.

WHO TOLD you that creationists believe the earth was created a FEW thousand years ago? that is NOT at all true.
Reality

Madison, WI

#525534 Aug 10, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
The first link had this to say:
*The statement is not to be taken literally, of course. The universe might be 15 billion years old, the earth 4.5 billion years old, but the creations stories accepted by most Americans have their origins only about 3,000 years ago.
--------
The second one displays how anything can be translated & rewritten to conform to athiest standards. The story of Horus is incredibly different than that of Jesus.
Or it could be said that the story of your jesus was taken from the story of Horus. Either way you take it, fiction is the common thread.
Jesus had a mortal mother and a divine father -- Pagan Gods did that first
http://www.entheology.org/pocm/pagan_origins_...

10 Christ-like Figures Who Pre-Date Jesus
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-christ-lik...

What other gods celebrate birth on or around Dec 25?

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_other_gods_cel...

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#525536 Aug 10, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, it is my choice. Which bothers you that I don't conform to your standards of living.
If I did break my foot, like your story, I'd rather pay the hospital than an insurance company, anyway
And before you start saying it is poor people or "bums" (YOUR word choice from the other day- NOT mine), this is also from the same link I just posted to you:

"Bankruptcies due to medical bills increased by nearly 50 percent in a six-year period, from 46 percent in 2001 to 62 percent in 2007, and most of those who filed for bankruptcy were ******middle-class, well-educated homeowners,****** according to a report that will be published in the August issue of The American Journal of Medicine."
Reality

Madison, WI

#525537 Aug 10, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
What?!? Did you even read my post? I didn't say "a day is a thousand years"...
If you just wanna argue, go find someone else.
Hey don't get all pissed at me, you are the one who can't understand what the bible says. Get pissed at god its his book.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#525538 Aug 10, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, it is my choice. Which bothers you that I don't conform to your standards of living.
If I did break my foot, like your story, I'd rather pay the hospital than an insurance company, anyway
Then again, and from the same article is this:

"Overall, three-quarters of the people with a medically-related bankruptcy had health insurance, they say."

BUT- the debt WITHOUT health insurance is MUCH greater and could lead one to bankruptcy MUCH sooner.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#525539 Aug 10, 2012
YELLODOG wrote:
<quoted text>
you hang onto your delusion like a dog holds onto a bone.
even when you have been told and shown you choose the delusion over the truth.
WHO TOLD you that creationists believe the earth was created a FEW thousand years ago? that is NOT at all true.
So.....when DO you believe the earth was created?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#525540 Aug 10, 2012
boooots wrote:
<quoted text>
I am certain, but for those not certain I made it pretty certain.
If you could give us a whit or an iota of evidence to dispute that, it would be a refreshing change to this site, since no one has tried anything actually believable as far as evidence goes yet here.
The "evidence" y'all are looking for is the FACT that God is not disputed. Nothing, nowhere, from anyone proves that the Word of God is wrong. Nothing. Everything that happens is because of God, that can't be disputed.
Throw out scientific data, theories, ideas, even conclusions. None of them "prove" that God doesn't exist. They only strengthen Him. He created science & He created humans to be curious about it.

The book of Genesis, written 4,000-6,000 years ago is right in line with the theory of evolution. Just as theorists assume evolution took place, from nothing to everything you see today, happened in THE SAME ORDER...

How could a mere "goat herder" know how evolution happened? In the correct order of things?? When "evolution" wasn't even thought up for another 4,000-6,000 years?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#525541 Aug 10, 2012
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>And before you start saying it is poor people or "bums" (YOUR word choice from the other day- NOT mine), this is also from the same link I just posted to you:
"Bankruptcies due to medical bills increased by nearly 50 percent in a six-year period, from 46 percent in 2001 to 62 percent in 2007, and most of those who filed for bankruptcy were ******middle-class, well-educated homeowners,****** according to a report that will be published in the August issue of The American Journal of Medicine."
I know that already. Why do you think I don't trust insurance companies?? Frightened people like you are fueling their financial fire, you know that?? Seriously.

When my mother-in-law was at the hospital, where they killed her, the damn hospital charged $15,000 for "bedding" for an 11 day stay(as per the bill that came in that was 2 pages long and $225,000). Who the hell justifies that?!? Why don't people stand up & fight back? Why do people just give in? There's NO WAY that "bedding" costs $1,363.00/hr or $22/minute. What the hell is that?!?!?

They're con-artists. Period.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#525542 Aug 10, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, it is my choice. Which bothers you that I don't conform to your standards of living.
If I did break my foot, like your story, I'd rather pay the hospital than an insurance company, anyway
And this:

"See if you follow this logic…a woman becomes the lead plaintiff in a case which argues that she should not be required to have health insurance i.e. Obamacare. Unfortunately – shortly thereafter – she falls on hard times and needs to be admitted to a hospital. But because she has no health insurance – she can’t pay for the services that she is required to receive by law (hospitals must treat sick people).

She claims bankruptcy and leaves $4,500 in unpaid medical bills effectively transferring over those costs to another person who is paying health insurance."

Read more: http://www.classwarfareexists.com/woman-sues-...
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I don't WANT to pay for the health insurance of others- do you???

Of course, since you don't have insurance, it's not your problem, right?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#525543 Aug 10, 2012
OCB wrote:
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BUT- the debt WITHOUT health insurance is MUCH greater and could lead one to bankruptcy MUCH sooner.
Says you. You will not convince me otherwise. You've made your point on your opinion. Must you keep rattling on?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#525544 Aug 10, 2012
Reality wrote:
<quoted text>Or it could be said that the story of your jesus was taken from the story of Horus. Either way you take it, fiction is the common thread.
Jesus had a mortal mother and a divine father -- Pagan Gods did that first
http://www.entheology.org/pocm/pagan_origins_...
10 Christ-like Figures Who Pre-Date Jesus
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-christ-lik...
What other gods celebrate birth on or around Dec 25?
Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_other_gods_cel...
Whether you believe it or not, God was around before the Bible was written.

The Bible was written after other cultures already came up with their religion, strange that they all had a similar experience and just used different names....

That's proof that the stories of God are true.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#525545 Aug 10, 2012
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't WANT to pay for the health insurance of others- do you???
Of course, since you don't have insurance, it's not your problem, right?
No, I don't wanna pay insurance companies period.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#525546 Aug 10, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I know that already. Why do you think I don't trust insurance companies?? Frightened people like you are fueling their financial fire, you know that?? Seriously.
When my mother-in-law was at the hospital, where they killed her, the damn hospital charged $15,000 for "bedding" for an 11 day stay(as per the bill that came in that was 2 pages long and $225,000). Who the hell justifies that?!? Why don't people stand up & fight back? Why do people just give in? There's NO WAY that "bedding" costs $1,363.00/hr or $22/minute. What the hell is that?!?!?
They're con-artists. Period.
I'm NOT frightened. I am SMART and doing all I can to INSURE that should I be struck with a catastrophic illness or injury that any debt I might have will be as low as possible.

I agree that medical and hospital costs are obscene, but that IS a different issue altogether than what we are discussing.

Whether they are con artists or not, the cost IS what it IS and you will be liable for it.

Additionally, I have COPD and while that is being managed very well, there is NO way I would walk around without health insurance.

And of course, I am hardly the only person in this country with an ongoing medical issue.

And NOT having insurance will in NO way reduce medical or hospital costs- if anything, treating the uninsured drives costs UP- not DOWN.....

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#525547 Aug 10, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I don't wanna pay insurance companies period.
Fine- so I get to pay them FOR you through MY premiums.

Whatever. Come 2014, you WILL be paying for insurance whether you want to or not.

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