Prove there's a god.

“ONE NATION UNDER GOD!”

Since: Jan 09

Cincinnati Ohio

#508321 Jun 9, 2012
Lily the aborter wrote:
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How do you know your god created the world?
Provide some proof. SOMETHING...ANYTHING to back your statement.
how many times have you ask for proof
how many times has it been given
and how many times have you refuted it as proof?

you do not want proof.

“The Edge”

Since: Dec 10

Of Tomorow

#508322 Jun 9, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
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www.tektonic.org/guest/scotty.htm
Historic Christianity involves Deity of Christ as essential non negotiable belief. No true Christian denies the Deity of Christ or has Christ down as created creature. Both concepts cannot be true at the same time in the same relationship.
Again you do not represent Mormons so you cannot make claims for them. But I happen to know they do believe in Jesus, and that you are mistaken.
Perhaps you should read what they say , and forget what you think you know?

http://mormon.org/faq/beliefs-of-mormons/
BlockandTackle

North Vernon, IN

#508323 Jun 9, 2012
Try reading Genesis . If true then we are created through DNA manipulation , similar to what is now going on in science . A people from another planet needed gold to seed their atmosphere to ptotect it from the sun .They found earth was suitable and created humans to work the earth and gather the gold for them . These people being from another solar calendar lived much longer than our lifetime and would be considered immortal or gods by our standards . Of course they were in turn created by another and so on . After billions of years of random mutations on billions of earths in billions of solar systems in billions of galaxies , can you really believe any 1 person is responsible or can know all that we do ? If the biblical genesis story is to be believed , then we are a product of beings , not of a single god . I quote a verse , " Thou shalt have no gods before me . " Obviously this implies that there were others with " god-like " qualities . Most people read too much into the bible and go off on some strange tangential hocus pocus . If the Genesis story is true , I'll throw in with the Anunnaki and to hell with the christiancatholic and other religions BS .
Common Sense

Ottawa, Canada

#508324 Jun 9, 2012
YELLODOG wrote:
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curious what 'part' of the big bang do you believe they have proven?
i understand if you need to get permission from HL first to answer this.
Tell us which part of this you are incapable of understanding:

http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/bb_tests_cm...
NASA wrote:
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The Big Bang theory predicts that the early universe was a very hot place and that as it expands, the gas within it cools. Thus the universe should be filled with radiation that is literally the remnant heat left over from the Big Bang, called the “cosmic microwave background radiation”, or CMB.

Discovery of the Cosmic Microwave Background

The existence of the CMB radiation was first predicted by Ralph Alpher, Robert Herman, and George Gamow in 1948, as part of their work on Big Bang Nucleosynthesis. It was first observed inadvertently in 1965 by Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson at the Bell Telephone Laboratories in Murray Hill, New Jersey. The radiation was acting as a source of excess noise in a radio receiver they were building. Coincidentally, researchers at nearby Princeton University, led by Robert Dicke and including Dave Wilkinson of the WMAP science team, were devising an experiment to find the CMB. When they heard about the Bell Labs result they immediately realized that the CMB had been found.

“The Edge”

Since: Dec 10

Of Tomorow

#508325 Jun 9, 2012
YELLODOG wrote:
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similarity does not mean 'the same'.
do you realize that your finger prints are UNLIKE anyone elses on this planet?
animals do not have 'finger prints
or a conscience
animals do not reason as humans reason.
so everytime one of you tree huging, ape ancestory believing evolutionists try to equate yourselves as evolving from animals, i don't know whether to laugh or feel great pity for you.
you did not come from an ape.
or a wiggly tadpole
you were created wonderfully and fearfully by God in His likeness
and given a conscience, and a soul and a spirit.
you are a HUMAN being.
an individual.
a person that GOD fashioned and loves very much.
I tried to ignore this post, but have to say.....
You are the last person on Earth I would try to have a intelligent conversation with that includes the ToE or any branch of science.
Common Sense

Ottawa, Canada

#508326 Jun 9, 2012
YELLODOG wrote:
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how many times have you ask for proof
how many times has it been given
and how many times have you refuted it as proof?
you do not want proof.
You've asked "what 'part' of the big bang do you believe they have proven?"

How many times have you asked for proof?
How many times has it been given to you?
And how many times have you refuted it as proof?

You do not want proof.
Common Sense

Ottawa, Canada

#508327 Jun 9, 2012
Angry pathetic loser wrote:
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Thanks for showing us just how angry and ugly you still are as an atheist. It's wonderful knowing that people like you will kill off your own dogma with hate.
Projection!

“ONE NATION UNDER GOD!”

Since: Jan 09

Cincinnati Ohio

#508328 Jun 9, 2012
Lily the aborter wrote:
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You are wrong.
And why would you be using a quote from the christian bible when discussing Hinduism? Makes no sense whatsoever. Should I start quoting the Talmud when debating christianity? Um no...because the Talmud has nothing to do with christianity. DA
you are hung up on, and tangled in 'RELIGION' and you keep missing the point...GOD IS NOT ABOUT RELIGION.

it is about relationship.

thats why we worship God in SPIRIT and truth.

a belief is a belief.

the test is.......what is your 'belief' based upon?
anyone can believe anything.
and convience themself it is right.

thats not the "evidence"
nor is it the proof of assurance.

the ancient scriptures HAVE been tested and proven as authetic.
by scholars
researchers
historians
archaeologist

how do you know the scriptures are true?
TEST THEM yourself
apply them to your life and see that they WILL work as shown.

in the begining of time, GOD spoke to His creation 'verbally' so as to establish, set up, and make known.
He told the chosen prophets to write down what He instructed for ALL generations to come.
because there would come a time when His spirit would not alway strive with man as it was then.

why do dispute the things that have been shown to you as truth?

i know why, but do you?
BlockandTackle

North Vernon, IN

#508329 Jun 9, 2012
Not from a tadpole ? Really ? Then explain the changes a human goes through in the womb please . A chicken , a pig ... We probably have bits of DNA in us from EVERY creature on this planet and maybe some from other planets . And while you are at it please explain why there is a fossil record of Neanderthal man living alongside of homo sapiens sapiens and that today no traces of that bloodline exist . I believe that if the Genesis story is true that the Neanderthal may have been the first Adam model , a brute worker to mine the goldcreated by the Nephilim . However a though with a larger brain , they were incapable of greater thought processes and as is stated in the bible , there was a second Genesis . Where we were created by taking the DNA from the Anunnaki . Yes I realize this is kinda weird BUT the writers of the bible had to explain things using their primitive language . There is not a single word in the bible about nuclear physics , rocket propulsion , thermodynamics , because they didn't have those words . Just imasgine going into the Brazilian rainforest and trying to explain your cellphone or laptop to the indigenous peoples living their today They would consider you either a god or a demon . The TW wants someone to prove there is a god . I say it depends on the TW's definition of "god" . If you are looking for a hell , it doesn't exist , there is no afterlife , this concept was unheard of in the old testament and is a more recent theory.

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#508330 Jun 9, 2012
atheists_worst_nightmare wrote:
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Yes the natural laws do exist. Some religious extremists choose to deny it. It violates their comfort.
God exists. Some secular extremists choose to deny it. It violates their comfort.
See how that works?
No Each natural law can be demonstrated to exist. Please demonstrate that your god actually exists ... just once, please? And no, fables written by sheepherders is not such demonstration nor is amazement and wonder at the universe. Please produce evidence that can be verified by a disinterested third party that your god actually exists. I'll wait ....

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#508331 Jun 9, 2012
Common Sense wrote:
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Tell us which part of this you are incapable of understanding:
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/bb_tests_cm...
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Uh, slightly above absolute zero. Absolute zero= no motion. No motion= nothing to see.

If it is so uniform in all directions, then it is not remnant radiation. It is more like a ground plane of motion. Your billions of years of random material interactions would have created holes in that uniformity. You are looking back at the path you traveled to get here. The radiation would have been absorbed.

More properly, what is being observed is the energy of the universe being bounced off the cage we are in.
BlockandTackle

North Vernon, IN

#508332 Jun 9, 2012
The bible was actually taken from Sumerian writings . So that would make the Sumerians gods chosen peoples would it not ? You really need to quit using any religion as a tool to seprate humans and try using human love for one another . All religions say to kill those of other religions .The bible portrays David , a liar , thief and mass murderer as a man after gods own heart . REALLY ? Then what of the 10 commandments ? It is time to remove all religions from our midst .If there were a god I'm pretty sure there woulld be only one religion . But the bible admits there are many gods , and Abram chose the Egyptian sun god Amen to be the one he and his family would worship even though Abram was not of royal blood or even an Egyptian . Abram chose his god . It states in the new testament that jesus taught from the Indian Vedas NOT from the old testament . All religions are crap .
Common Sense

Ottawa, Canada

#508333 Jun 9, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
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Assume facts not in evidence. You do not know what i was taught as a child. Beliefs regarding Christianity came as an adult at Bible Studies with mature Christians.
Scripture does.
There are certain non negotiables.
Yes. The ground is cursed as Genesis clearly states.
Not happy with God is no good reason to demonstrate God does not exist. You can be unhappy with God and God can exist.
You are assuming that atheists are unhappy with god.
Atheists do not believe your god exists.
We are only unhappy with those who are perpetuating this lie upon mankind.
lightbeamrider wrote:
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The message is there. It is not complicated. The Jews at the time of Christ understood His message. They did not believe it to be true. That is why they accused Jesus of blasphemy.....''You being a man, make Yourself out to be God.''
The message is there?
All we have are the beliefs of preliterate humans.
They were wrong.
They were unable to understand natural processes.
Today, we can.
No need to accept their misunderstanding as literal truth.
lightbeamrider wrote:
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The fact finite humans have different concepts of infinite God does not demonstrate any of that.
The fact that there are different concepts means that they can't all be right and in this case they are all wrong.
lightbeamrider wrote:
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God works on His own timetable and has mercy on whom He has mercy and hardens whom He desires.
God said,'Who will entice Ahab king of Israel to go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead?' A spirit came forward and said,'I will entice him, and the Lord said,'How?'[21] He said,'I will go up and be a deceiving spirit in the mouth of his prophets.' 2 Chron. 18:19-21.
Utter nonesense!
Mindless dribble!
Like god hardening the pharoah's heart when he has the power to part the red sea. If he is telling Moses that he wants the israelites to leave, then why is he hardening the pharoah's heart.
If the story was written today, we would expect the all powerful god to teleport them to this promised land of milk and honey that they never really got to.
lightbeamrider wrote:
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<quoted text> Your selection indicates it was Smith who left or refused to join because we are wrong. Well if Smith is right then we are wrong. The two concepts are mutually exclusive.
According to Smith, he was told by god that you are all wrong.
BlockandTackle

North Vernon, IN

#508334 Jun 9, 2012
Has god talked to anyone recently ?
Common Sense

Ottawa, Canada

#508335 Jun 9, 2012
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Uh, slightly above absolute zero. Absolute zero= no motion. No motion= nothing to see.
If it is so uniform in all directions, then it is not remnant radiation. It is more like a ground plane of motion. Your billions of years of random material interactions would have created holes in that uniformity. You are looking back at the path you traveled to get here. The radiation would have been absorbed.
More properly, what is being observed is the energy of the universe being bounced off the cage we are in.
You can post your explanation to the NASA website.

If you are correct, then fame and fortune awaits you.

Think of it, Dr. Dave Nelson - nobel prize winner.
BlockandTackle

North Vernon, IN

#508336 Jun 9, 2012
Red Sea ? uh , NO. the hebrew writing said Kam suph , meaning sea of reeds . This kam suph was discovered to be a natural landbridge in the area of todays Suez Canal. There was an earthquake that caused the tides to fall lower , of course if there really was a god , then Mose certainly wouldn't have had to wait several days for the tides to lower he would have merely said " Let us walk upon the water " and they would have ridden a chariot across the stream .
BlockandTackle

North Vernon, IN

#508339 Jun 9, 2012
Compare history with the bible .
&fe ature=related
BlockandTackle

North Vernon, IN

#508340 Jun 9, 2012
1 Machabees 2:55 jesus . whilst he fulfilled theword , was made ruler in Israel .
Silent________ Assassin

Ware, UK

#508341 Jun 9, 2012
BlockandTackle wrote:
Red Sea ? uh , NO. the hebrew writing said Kam suph , meaning sea of reeds . This kam suph was discovered to be a natural landbridge in the area of todays Suez Canal. There was an earthquake that caused the tides to fall lower , of course if there really was a god , then Mose certainly wouldn't have had to wait several days for the tides to lower he would have merely said " Let us walk upon the water " and they would have ridden a chariot across the stream .
What? So, what does the Hebrew writings call the Middle East? Never mind, the point is that it is irrelevant. Also, if there really was a God, who simply would be clueless as to what and why He did and does what He does. You fail at simple things in life and now you wish to be God. Learn how to brush your teeth properly and avoid a common cold, then you have accomplished something.
Silent________ Assassin

Ware, UK

#508342 Jun 9, 2012
BlockandTackle wrote:
Has god talked to anyone recently ?
Yes, many. Some often and some not as much. Sorry, you did not make the cut. Some about your failed reasoning skills.

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