Prove there's a god.

[Darwin the Baptist]

Bob wrote:

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Kaitlin gives it right back too, and she is a peaceful Buddhist. Many atheists here are just as mean and vulgar as the Christians....so what is their higher responsibility?
I think I have been fortunate enough to avoid lashing out in an overly crude manner, but I've still had people say very crude and offensive things about the God I believe in, or me...without batting an eyelash about how it offended me.

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Yes, she does.(She's actually a witch who is familiar with Buddhism from what I gather).

And yes, some of them make offensive remarks as well,(I take it you've "met" Pomona Atheist?) I never said none of us did... but the difference is that if you go back and ask any of them, they will *Take Responsibility* for their words and say, "Yes, those were MY words and my opinion!" whereas the likes of YD will say, "It's not ME who's saying that, it's the Bible!" - the responsibility for her words is handed over to "god".

Atheists don't have an atheists handbook to blame...
See?

Peace

[god is IMAGINARY]

TrumpetCallofGod wrote:

Volume 7 Lost Sheep
4/8/10 From God The Father and YahuShua HaMashiach, Jesus The Christ, Our Lord and Savior - A Letter Given to Jayse... For All Those Who Call of Themselves Christians, Who Have Not Embraced Their Savior in Truth, and For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear
Thus says The Lord of Heaven and Earth: I HAVE SEEN IT!... NO MORE! Says The Lord... NO LONGER SHALL THIS SIN PROLIFE

STOP spamming the tread with religious mythology!!

[Kaitlin the Wolf Witch]

Sorceress Kaitlin wrote:
In other words, it's really, really easy to be a christian; requires no real personal responsibility or self-discipline. This is why christianity attracts so many people like yellodog, porter, itsme75, Hateful Harold Peterson, Fred Phelps...
I am *so* glad I wasn't born into a christian family.
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Who says atheists do whatever they want? You do, with no evidence to support this fallacious claim.
Oh, and by the way; "God" never made any sacrifices. None. That's just mythology.
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Ooh, now you now are trying to imitate me--which, by the way, is a high compliment. Thanks. You know I'm right, yet you just can't bring yourself to say it. Can anyone say, "Fear of eternal punishment?"
I provided examples of how christianity attracts malicious people just on this thread alone; yet you provide none to back up your claim. Atheists are far more likely to behave ethically than christians are to behave morally, because atheists take responsibility for their own actions, while christians--*without exception!*--claim divine forgiveness.
"Ethics is the measurement of the public good. Morality is the weapon of religious and social righteousness." ~John Ralston Saul~

Bob wrote:

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How do atheists take responsibility for their own actions?

What are you, kidding me?

When's the last time you ever heard an atheist say, "The devil made me do it!" or "It's God's will!" or "I'm not perfect, just forgiven!"

I'll bet *you've* used these before, haven't you?

[god is IMAGINARY]

Dave Nelson wrote:

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Gets worse the older you get, unless you got bucks or a good pension. Then you run into the older chicks that think men will put up with their issues for home cooked meals.
Who in the hell came up that way to a man's heart is through his stomach?

probably some dude that was too lazy to cook...lol

[Dave Nelson]

boooots wrote:

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Bob, doesn't it seem to make sense that 'evil' is just a word which we use to describe certain types of behavior? We know that not all cultures, nations, or religions have the same definition of what is evil, so for evil to be an entity itself, which would indicate that it would be consistent in description, seems rather unlikely.
Human beings occupy their time and their lives with many various activities and actions. Some of these most people consider good and others bad. Which we tend to concentrate on most seems to depend on what we were taught when young and how we were treated by other people, and how we adapted to that. This can be distorted somewhat if we have some physical or mental impairment.

Evil is live backwards.

Evil is something within the individual or group that weakens it. Demands without contributions. Screams for individual attention that divert from the mission, which is survival.

[Darwin the Baptist]

Dave Nelson wrote:

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You gotta be careful not to fall down any rabbit holes in the quest, though.
Me, I think about it once in a while for a few minutes. Then I forget what I was thinking about.:-) I let it cook on the back burner. Maybe it will help when it comes time to cross that bridge again. Staying loose and flexible.

'

Yup. I've always tried to go by the old notion that in order to find real Truth we first take everything we think we know and throw it out the window. Not an easy task. What "beliefs" I do hold are held very gently, never firmly. Whenever I find myself starting to think I have found any truth, then it is time to chuck it all out the window again and start fresh.

Peace

[Kaitlin the Wolf Witch]

itsme75 wrote:
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Everything in my post is absolutely fact and it has been proven beyond any doubt. <end quote>

boooots wrote:

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You totally discredit yourself by that claim. Man has discovered bodies, skeletons, even villages that are older than 6000 years old. Why would you expose yourself deliberately to ridicule by making a claim that even most Christians would deny?

Just immaturity and a need to validate his own worthless, uninformed opinion by trying to impose it on others.

[Darwin the Baptist]

Dave Nelson wrote:

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You gotta be careful not to fall down any rabbit holes in the quest, though.
Me, I think about it once in a while for a few minutes. Then I forget what I was thinking about.:-) I let it cook on the back burner. Maybe it will help when it comes time to cross that bridge again. Staying loose and flexible.

"I think about it once in a while for a few minutes."

Does this mean your magnetism theories are not what you consider to be in the realm of "life, the universe and everything"? Or do you really spend that little time even on that?
(I had assumed it likely occupied a lot of your time)

Peace

[Abraxas]

itsme75 wrote:

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Would you feel better if I said you "follow" satan rather than worship satan? If you don't "follow" God, you indeed "follow" satan. It is one or the other, is that to difficult for you to understand?

Since both are the opposite sides of the same coin, technically you do both, at the same time.

[Darwin the Baptist]

Dave Nelson wrote:

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Evil is something within the individual or group that weakens it. Demands without contributions. Screams for individual attention ...

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Now, ease up on ol' Yeller, she ain't even here to defend herself...

:-b

[Kaitlin the Wolf Witch]

Bob wrote:
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How could the people that regularly sacrificed infants be considered innocent? There is also a difference between a Creator who can see the future, ending the life of His creation.....and another person ending that life.

Darwin the Baptist wrote:

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Gets back to that relative morality thing doesn't it? Sacrificing a baby is only one step away from sacrificing animals.
They were *Pleasing* their deity just like the Jews thought they were by killing innocent doves and lambs.
Personally, I think "God" would find it repugnant no matter what was being sacrificed in his name...
But I digress... we all believe that sex with a young child is wrong.... VERY wrong, right?
But imagine a society of similar beings who live over in yonder valley who are like us but with several key differences. One is that their females are only fertile between the ages of 4 and 6.
Absolute morality seems nice on the face of it but if you start to imagine various factors being different, it begins to fall apart.
Peace

When animals were sacrificed, their remains were cooked and eaten. I don't know what was planned for Isaac.

[Abraxas]

Bob wrote:

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Ok then. Hitler was just as good as you.

Hitler , and every single person that supported him , were in fact evil, with their genocide subversion ,and absolute authority.
Consider the fact if Hitler was not evil , then "evil" has no meaning as a word. Fascism and crimes against humanity such as genocide and human sacrifice are the very defining points of evil.

[Kaitlin the Wolf Witch]

ACLU-Tom wrote:
The "consequence?" You mean more of your pathetic threats of hell. Get over it Patty, hell was created by those who fabricated your religion as a means to control others.
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Darwin the Baptist wrote:

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Diabolically effective, too... people like YD have sold their conscience, reason and integrity for the promise of avoiding it.

Now *that's* bloody brilliant!!!

[Abraxas]

karl44 wrote:

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but just imagine what the sex would be like
if you did not need a 2-hour stage production as incentive

I fell in love with other men, but they were my earthy fathers.
There is sexual love and there is the love of brothers .

[macumazahn]

karl44 wrote:

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ethics is a science - morality is relative

"An ethical man knows he shouldn't cheat on his wife. A moral man simply wouldn't."
I wish I could attribute that quote, but I don't remember.

[Kaitlin the Wolf Witch]

ACLU-Tom wrote:

Much as we've had problems with your lack of character given your attacks on others, your name-calling, your judging others and your condemning them to hell. The feeling is quite mutual, I'm sure.
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YELLODOG wrote:
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and i have lost my patience trying to converse with someone of your 'character'.
adios <end quote>

Yet she keeps coming back!

[Abraxas]

Maxwell wrote:

<quoted text>No, of course not. Hitler was twisted, sick, perverted, sadistic, paranoid etc. His ideas were harmful to individuals and groups of people. His practices were reprehensible, immoral, and wrong. Evil? No. For me to endorse "evil", I would have to believe that there is a thing that sits in judgment of all actions, deeming them good or evil. There is no god. There is no evil. There are assholez who hurt people. There are benevolent Samaritans who assist people.

There is something that sits in judgment of all things, MEN, and they defined the acts
of men like Hitler Evil. Vlad the impaler , was defined as evil for his crimes against humanity. Countess Bathory , I could go on alot more , but these type people are the models men have used to define what true evil is.

[Kaitlin the Wolf Witch]

Sorceress Kaitlin wrote:
Knowledge wrote:
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YD, are you saying that the scriptures DTB posted are not the words of God?
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There's that lame ol' "out of context" excuse again.
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No, only you can, in order to support your hate-filled postion.

Darwin the Baptist wrote:

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Hey beautiful! I brought you some more of that Widmers you liked...

{...*sssslllluuuurrrrpppp!!*.. .}

;-D

[god is IMAGINARY]

itsme75 wrote:

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I make no attempt to anger anyone, I just call them as they are. Man can either follow God or follow satan. If you aren't worshiping God you are worshiping satan. It's just that simple and can be no other way.

do tell,
just HOW do you follow something that does NOT exist??

[Abraxas]

Sorceress Kaitlin wrote:

Abraxas wrote:
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To cut and clear, Hitler was a example of evil.
Human sacrifice is a example of evil.
That doesn't mean there is a devil , it means evil people become the part.
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Instead of attempting to speak for Xcntrik, I think you ought to let him speak for himself. He's quite capable of presenting his own views.

I speak for myself ty , if I wasn't asked the question so sorry, I feel the need to have my 2 cents in.
BTW, X is pretty good at typing too.:)