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Will homosexuality ever be morally accepted?

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#81
Jul 30, 2008
 
Intelligensia wrote:
Okay mister dictionary. I noticed in the definition you provided an interesting set of key words. Let me show you how you really incriminated yourself.
enmity: hostile
malice: evil intent
violent antipathy: deep-seeded dislike resulting with physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill.
repungance: inconsistency or incompatibility of ideas or statements.
"hate" is a verb thus I will assume that those who "hate" could be clearly described by that wonderful definition that you so gracefully provided. So by your definition those who hate could be accurately described (by your definition) in the following statement.
"Evil individuals who commit hostile acts intended to hurt, damage or kill which ultimately result from a deep-seeded dislike."
Not a very nice way to describe yourself is it? Have a look in the mirror and ask yourself if you really hate.
Some quotes I will 'gracefully' provide for you.
* In time we hate that which we often fear.
o William Shakespeare Antony and Cleopatra Act I scene iii
* If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is a part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us.
o Herman Hesse Demian (1919) ch. 6
* Hatred is a vice of narrow souls; they feed it with all their meanness, and make it a pretext for sordid tyranny.
o Honoré de Balzac The Muse of the Department (1843)
o Jean de La Bruyère Les Caractères (1688) De l'Homme 108
* We hate some persons because we do not know them; and we will not know them because we hate them.
o Charles Caleb Colton Lacon, vol. I (1820)
* Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness in a descending spiral of destruction ... The chain reaction of evil — hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars — must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation.
o Martin Luther King, Jr. Strength to Love (1963)
* Like an unchecked cancer, hate corrodes the personality and eats away its vital unity. Hate destroys a man's sense of values and his objectivity. It causes him to describe the beautiful as ugly and the ugly as beautiful, and to confuse the true with the false and the false with the true. Power at its best is love implementing the demands of justice. Justice at its best is love correcting everything that stands against love.
o Martin Luther King, Jr. Strength to Love (1963)
* Why only hate? Where does love remain? Or at least a little decency toward other people? Exactly the same as we behaved against the Jews, we now wish to do against all other people who are in our way, to smash, crush - yes, even exterminate.
o Friedrich Kellner diary, March 30, 1940
* When our hatred is too keen it places us beneath those we hate.
o La Rochefoucauld Reflections; or Sentences and Moral Maxims (1665–1678) maxim 348
* There's nothing in this world so sweet as love,
And next to love the sweetest thing is hate!
o Henry Wadsworth Longfellow The Spanish Student (1843)
* If you hate your enemies, you will contract such a vicious habit of mind, as by degrees will break out upon those who are your friends, or those who are indifferent to you.
o Joseph Addison The Spectator Tuesday 24 July, 1711, No. 125 said to be a quote from Plutarch probably a summary of the views in On the Advantage to Be Derived from One's Enemies
* Hatred, as well as love, renders its votaries credulous.
o Jean-Jacques Rousseau Confessions (1782) bk. v
Thank you for again affirming my assertion that hate is merely a deep seeded fear of the unknown or misunderstood.:)

Great post!
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#82
Jul 30, 2008
 
Truth does not change.
The Bible is true.
God's law does not need to win a Gallup pole.

Homosexuality may become socially acceptable in polite society in some areas. Like San Francisco, for example. How did that work out for Sodom?

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#83
Jul 30, 2008
 
You should say is it moral. As to whether or not it is moral, that is an artificial construct and homosexuality is practiced throughout the animal kingdom. As a third chimpanzee we might be better off if we were more like our cousins the bonobos than like we are. If reason is a sign of an enlarged cortex, then we surely have a lot more evolving to do to where we realize it doesn't matter what we think about how someone else pleasures themselves.

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Jul 30, 2008
 
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Since you typed in all caps, I can also imagine you as one of the repulsive folk that tout yourselves as "Christians" and stand in major intersections shouting hatred into megaphones for all your brothers and sisters to hear. Why don't you leave the judging to God? Do you not think he is merciful? Did you skip the entire Jesus Christ teachings in Sunday school?
What really gets me is that disagreement has come to equate hatred. Just because someone happens to hold the belief that homosexuality is morally wrong, that does not automatically mean that they hate the individuals involved with homosexuality. Equating disagreement with hatred is a manipulative tactic to shut down true communication. People in this country are still allowed to have their own thoughts and feelings on subjects. I don't accept my kids bad behavior, for example; however, I'd never stop loving them because of it. It's the same sort of thing, as it relates to homosexuality.

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Jul 30, 2008
 
Bubba wrote:
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What really gets me is that disagreement has come to equate hatred. Just because someone happens to hold the belief that homosexuality is morally wrong, that does not automatically mean that they hate the individuals involved with homosexuality. Equating disagreement with hatred is a manipulative tactic to shut down true communication. People in this country are still allowed to have their own thoughts and feelings on subjects. I don't accept my kids bad behavior, for example; however, I'd never stop loving them because of it. It's the same sort of thing, as it relates to homosexuality.
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All true,*However*, if your child turns out to be gay and you let it be known that you "don't accept" their behavior and call it "bad" ... I assure you it will FEEL like hate to them.

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#86
Jul 30, 2008
 
Ali Quis wrote:
Truth does not change.
The Bible is true.
God's law does not need to win a Gallup pole.
Homosexuality may become socially acceptable in polite society in some areas. Like San Francisco, for example. How did that work out for Sodom?
The bible is true because.... it makes the claim itself?!?!? Circular logic my friend.

But let me ask you a question... do you,(or did you) have children? If so, were they ever "disobedient"? And if so, did you have them KILLED as the bible instructs you to??

(or will you argue that one part isn't really true??)
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The bible is true because.... it makes the claim itself?!?!? Circular logic my friend.
But let me ask you a question... do you,(or did you) have children? If so, were they ever "disobedient"? And if so, did you have them KILLED as the bible instructs you to??
(or will you argue that one part isn't really true??)
Actually, there's enough external sources to verify the truthfulness of the Bible found in outside texts. And, as far as killing your own kids for misbehavior, that was in the Old Testament, so you can't really base something on an obscure teaching found in only one place. However, as in the case of the prohibition on homosexual behavior, we find that in both the Old Testament, and in the New Testament. People will them raise the issue about the fact that Jesus never spoke about homosexuality. That isn't really a legit arguement, as Jesus wouldn't have spoken against homosexuality. As far as He would have been concerned, that topic was covered in the Old Testament already. So, unless He was going to change that teaching and ok homosexuality, OR to change that teaching to involve an even stronger prohibition of some sort, He wouldn't have addressed the issue Himself. To have done so would have been considered to be redundant.
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Jul 30, 2008
 
Darwin the Baptist wrote:
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All true,*However*, if your child turns out to be gay and you let it be known that you "don't accept" their behavior and call it "bad" ... I assure you it will FEEL like hate to them.
Peace
Feelings are very different than the truth in many cases. It might FEEL like hated (or rejection for that matter), that doesn't mean that it is actually hatred (or rejection).
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man - woman only same sex is sin queers are hell bound repent sinners or burn
i agree - lev - 18 - lev - 20 - man woman only
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#90
Jul 30, 2008
 
"gods holy word" was written by a human, just as me, just as you. It was translated by a human, just like me, just like you. Therefore it isn't god's word, but an interpretation of gods word.
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#91
Jul 30, 2008
 
What proves that the bible is true, other untrue unproven texts that you fail to mention?
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#92
Jul 30, 2008
 
Intelligensia wrote:
What proves that the bible is true, other untrue unproven texts that you fail to mention?
You can find books by Josh McDowell in places like Borders or Barnes and Noble. If you're really interested, then you can search it out for yourself. Josh doesn't use Scriptural passages at all to prove the reliability of the Bible. However, if you're really not all that honestly interested in searching this out, then please be honest enough to say that you've already made up your mind and aren't interested in anything that would contradict your views.

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What really gets me is that disagreement has come to equate hatred. Just because someone happens to hold the belief that homosexuality is morally wrong, that does not automatically mean that they hate the individuals involved with homosexuality. Equating disagreement with hatred is a manipulative tactic to shut down true communication. People in this country are still allowed to have their own thoughts and feelings on subjects. I don't accept my kids bad behavior, for example; however, I'd never stop loving them because of it. It's the same sort of thing, as it relates to homosexuality.
I don't equate disagreement with hatred. I do however note the hatred when it's there. Or the fear. Or the absolute ignorance. You're totally correct, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's how you voice the opinion and portray that opinion that matters.

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You can find books by Josh McDowell in places like Borders or Barnes and Noble. If you're really interested, then you can search it out for yourself. Josh doesn't use Scriptural passages at all to prove the reliability of the Bible. However, if you're really not all that honestly interested in searching this out, then please be honest enough to say that you've already made up your mind and aren't interested in anything that would contradict your views.
But why can't you tell us some of those "proofs" yourself? Why direct someone to go do the research if all you have to do is a little typing to prove your point?
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Jul 30, 2008
 
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Ah ha.
Now that you've acknowledged that you don't care about them eating dog poop, now the effort becomes that eating dog poop is socially (and morally) acceptable. Once that hurdle is crossed, you and your (societal) family are forced to recognize that eating dog poop is normal and healthy. If you resist, you are called poopaphobias.
You don't like it and are repulsed
I'm not sure anyone would fight for the right to eat dog poop. But do you really care if they do?

And why couldn't you fully and intelligently answer my post?
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Frannie wrote:
Men are with women and women with men so what part of this do you fags not understand . Your freaks and everything you do is against the bible .You know the creator of this earth. w hat are you all trying to get out of work and want to play a womans place in life and stay home and clean up and wait for your man . Go to weaverville there are a lot of them there up in the woods , Stay away from our children for they are confused and all of this crap . You all make me sick . All of you go to an island and stay there and hump each other where you belong for your no smarter than a chicken .
After posting all this..you really feel comfortable comparing other people's intelligence to a chicken?

Is your trailer not equipped with a mirror?
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Jul 30, 2008
 
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But why can't you tell us some of those "proofs" yourself? Why direct someone to go do the research if all you have to do is a little typing to prove your point?
For the very reason that I've done the research myself; and, if a person is truly interested, there are sources available that they can find for themselves. Also, the response would require more than just a few brief sentences. One of the most reliable sources of corroborating information was a Jewish historian, who wrote extensively during the time period when Jesus was here on earth. Josephus spoke about what Jesus did, etc., and wasn't a Christian. He was Jewish. So, his accounts would be seen as being true and unbiased.
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Jul 30, 2008
 
I don't see why not. Many people have forgotten the days when it was 'immoral' for two people of different races to marry.

There were laws in place, and when a vote was cast to see if the people wanted to finally discard the prejudiced restrictions it was denied, as you can imagine, by a landslide.

But, thankfully, the courts decided to look over things again, against the popular vote, and lifted the bans at last. California was the first state to legalize interracial marriage.

Of course, there are still people who look down on interracial marriage, but it's become accepted morally.

It's only a matter of time before people accept homosexuality.

They don't have to like it, or condone it, but at the very least accept that, as long as no one's being hurt, people have a right to whatever beliefs they so choose to follow.
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NateKnuckles wrote:
You can't fight the Bible! It is also frown upon by all religions!
Being gay is not frowned on by most Agnostics.

It's sad that our "free" country doesn't allow equal rights for gays. And all because certain faiths are pushed on all Americans.
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Nadia wrote:
I don't see why not. Many people have forgotten the days when it was 'immoral' for two people of different races to marry.
There were laws in place, and when a vote was cast to see if the people wanted to finally discard the prejudiced restrictions it was denied, as you can imagine, by a landslide.
But, thankfully, the courts decided to look over things again, against the popular vote, and lifted the bans at last. California was the first state to legalize interracial marriage.
Of course, there are still people who look down on interracial marriage, but it's become accepted morally.
It's only a matter of time before people accept homosexuality.
They don't have to like it, or condone it, but at the very least accept that, as long as no one's being hurt, people have a right to whatever beliefs they so choose to follow.
There are passages in the Bible that indicate that people from different lands (implying different races) shouldn't marry. If you push the homophobic notion, the racist notion isn't far behind.

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