What exactly are liberal values??

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Maria

Dallas, TX

#1 May 19, 2008
Republicans and conservatives always layout what there values are but what exactly are the liberal's values?

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#2 May 19, 2008
Maria wrote:
Republicans and conservatives always layout what there values are but what exactly are the liberal's values?
They do? would you care to lost them?

Since: Dec 07

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#3 May 19, 2008
sorry...list them
Rhett

United States

#4 May 19, 2008
Rollin,

You'll never see a liberal list their liberal values because they're embarrased by them and ashamed. They'll always give you this pie-in-the-sky junk answer.

I'll list their values for them:
Homosexuality
Gay marriage
Abortion
Redistribution of income and wealth
Socialism
Socialized medicine
Nanny state for rearing children
Diminishment of family values
Higher taxes
Social programs
Elimination of religion from the US culture
Elimination of talk radio
Open borders
Elimination of the military
No individual responsibility
and on, and on, and on,...

You might see my post of what makes a good democrat. I think I posted the info in "Why I'm a Democrat" or "Why I'm a Republican."

If those topic titles are not correct, they're pretty close. So you should be able to find them.

I caught a lot of flack from liberals other it too. But no one tried to refute the content.
sup

Saint Louis, MO

#5 May 19, 2008
rollin wrote:
<quoted text>
They do? would you care to lost them?
True conservatism, not McBush or any of those Republicans, but people like Reagan and Goldwater believe that if you try, you can make it. Conservatism is the ideology that says no matter what color, gender, race or age, you can make it. They believe in minimal government interference and popular sovereignty. We truly believe that the the answer to just about every problem is "We the People," not the government. Conservatism is rooted in the idea of the individual over society and that anybody with hard work and no handouts can achieve the American Dream. Conservatives are the true liberals.

Since: Dec 07

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#6 May 19, 2008
Rhett wrote:
Rollin,
You'll never see a liberal list their liberal values because they're embarrased by them and ashamed. They'll always give you this pie-in-the-sky junk answer.
I'll list their values for them:
Homosexuality
Gay marriage
Abortion
Redistribution of income and wealth
Socialism
Socialized medicine
Nanny state for rearing children
Diminishment of family values
Higher taxes
Social programs
Elimination of religion from the US culture
Elimination of talk radio
Open borders
Elimination of the military
No individual responsibility
and on, and on, and on,...
You might see my post of what makes a good democrat. I think I posted the info in "Why I'm a Democrat" or "Why I'm a Republican."
If those topic titles are not correct, they're pretty close. So you should be able to find them.
I caught a lot of flack from liberals other it too. But no one tried to refute the content.
I see you have trouble understanding the question. I didn't ask you to list what a neocon bushbot considerers to be liberal values. I asked what are the republican values. Now I know how difficult it is for bushbots like you to answer a direct question without doing the bushbot dance: dodge, deflect, blame others but at least try to explain what you consider republican values.

Since: Dec 07

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#7 May 19, 2008
sup wrote:
<quoted text>True conservatism, not McBush or any of those Republicans, but people like Reagan and Goldwater believe that if you try, you can make it. Conservatism is the ideology that says no matter what color, gender, race or age, you can make it. They believe in minimal government interference and popular sovereignty. We truly believe that the the answer to just about every problem is "We the People," not the government. Conservatism is rooted in the idea of the individual over society and that anybody with hard work and no handouts can achieve the American Dream. Conservatives are the true liberals.
Thanks for responding. Here is what I consider true liberal values:

Liberal Values stresses support for individual liberties, a free market economy, a rational defense policy, separation of church and state, and restoration of the limitations on government power which have been eroded in recent years.

Liberal Values returns to the origins of liberalism in stressing liberty, as well as the ideas of the enlightenment in supporting science and reason along with a secular society where everyone is free to practice or not practice the religion of their choice.

Liberal views on freedom as well as an appreciation for science grew out of the enlightenment. Attacks on science and reason represent one of the major problems of the day, primarily from the religious right but sometimes from the left. This includes denial of evolution as a fundamental principle of modern biology and denial of the scientific consensus on climate change.
Rhett

United States

#8 May 19, 2008
Rollin,
I'm surprised that you're attacking me.

Here's what was written above:
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Maria wrote:
Republicans and conservatives always layout what there values are but what exactly are the liberal's values?
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They do? would you care to lost them?

Notice Maria's words, "... but what exactly are the liberal's values?"

Understand?
"... THE LIBERAL'S VALUES."

I listed the liberal values.

Understand?
Rhett

United States

#9 May 19, 2008
Maybe my post should have been for Maria.
That would have eliminated the confusion.

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#10 May 19, 2008
Rhett wrote:
Rollin,
You'll never see a liberal list their liberal values because they're embarrased by them and ashamed. They'll always give you this pie-in-the-sky junk answer.
I'll list their values for them:
Homosexuality
Gay marriage
Abortion
Redistribution of income and wealth
Socialism
Socialized medicine
Nanny state for rearing children
Diminishment of family values
Higher taxes
Social programs
Elimination of religion from the US culture
Elimination of talk radio
Open borders
Elimination of the military
No individual responsibility
and on, and on, and on,...
You might see my post of what makes a good democrat. I think I posted the info in "Why I'm a Democrat" or "Why I'm a Republican."
If those topic titles are not correct, they're pretty close. So you should be able to find them.
I caught a lot of flack from liberals other it too. But no one tried to refute the content.
great post

Since: Dec 07

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#11 May 19, 2008
Rhett wrote:
Rollin,
I'm surprised that you're attacking me.
Here's what was written above:
----------
Maria wrote:
Republicans and conservatives always layout what there values are but what exactly are the liberal's values?
----------
They do? would you care to lost them?
Notice Maria's words, "... but what exactly are the liberal's values?"
Understand?
"... THE LIBERAL'S VALUES."
I listed the liberal values.
Understand?
Since you still have troubles avoiding the question asked I will dismiss you now and ask the same question of someone who is not a bushbot robot and can think for themselves.
sup

Saint Louis, MO

#12 May 19, 2008
rollin wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for responding. Here is what I consider true liberal values:
Liberal Values stresses support for individual liberties, a free market economy, a rational defense policy, separation of church and state, and restoration of the limitations on government power which have been eroded in recent years.
Liberal Values returns to the origins of liberalism in stressing liberty, as well as the ideas of the enlightenment in supporting science and reason along with a secular society where everyone is free to practice or not practice the religion of their choice.
Liberal views on freedom as well as an appreciation for science grew out of the enlightenment. Attacks on science and reason represent one of the major problems of the day, primarily from the religious right but sometimes from the left. This includes denial of evolution as a fundamental principle of modern biology and denial of the scientific consensus on climate change.
Well this is a good explanation of classical liberalism, truly the founding ideology of America. But, having said that I'm having trouble seeing how you believe modern day liberals exspress these values. Let's take this issue by issue according to the ideas liberals follow that you posted. Free markets. Now I am in no way shape or form saying that modern liberals hate capitalism, but they certainly aren't the biggest fans of it like us conservatives. It's always the conservatives that have free market solutions for just about everything. Health care, social security, education, ect. All liberals support some form of government run programs for those listed above. Conservatives believe in private solutions to those programs. Liberals also are the ones that cracked down on "Big Tobacco" in the 90's and penalized them excessively. It is people like Hillary who openly advocate taking profits from oil companies to fund their GOVERNMENT energy programs.

Liberals also see liberty as another chance for government intervention. The modern liberals stress positive liberty over negative liberty as a way of insuring a free society. But at the end of the day, you still are under the control of the government. It was FDR who came up with his Second Bill of Rights, which stressed things like free health care and living wages.

Liberals also support smoking bans, gun control, affirmative action, ect. All things that are supposed to be for the common good, but just expand the role of government. Now again I am in no way saying that liberals hate freedom (like some people we know, and you know who I'm talking about) but it is hard to deny that is is the modern left that sees the government as the solution to every problem.

And there is nothing wrong with supporting science, but things like global warming are the biggest amount of b.s. I have ever heard. There is no concensus, but I'm getting ahead of myself. This isn't about global warming, but I just felt like pointing that out.

Anyway, that's the way I look at it.
Kelly Dolan

Michigan City, IN

#13 May 19, 2008
Liberal? Conservative? How anyone can blindly follow one set of preconceived "values" boggles the mind. Maybe you hardliners should all start wearing red or blue shirts. That way people that actually think for themselves can ignore you.

I'm a pragmatist. I think everyone is an a**hole but me.

JMO
Rhett

United States

#14 May 19, 2008
Rollin,
Like I read elsewhere, anyone who disagrees with you or does not hold the same beliefs and positions as you, then you call a bushbot robot.

That's very mature.

What should I call you?

How about BONEHEAD?
Make that LIBERAL BONEHEAD.
Rhett

United States

#15 May 19, 2008
Thank God (the almighty diety) for RED states.

Thank Billary for the 911 attacks.
RedMan

El Paso, TX

#16 May 19, 2008
Conservatives always have to lay out their values because otherwise you wouldn't know what they are. They have to tell you they are for limited government and spending so that the clones can repeat it endlessly while the neocons increase government powers and spending. Similarly, they have to keep saying they are against pedophilia because they keep getting caught looking for a underage sexual partners.

Without the red states we wouldn't have the high mortality, divorce, and crime rates that the rest of the country enjoys.

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#17 May 19, 2008
Rhett wrote:
Rollin,
Like I read elsewhere, anyone who disagrees with you or does not hold the same beliefs and positions as you, then you call a bushbot robot.
That's very mature.
What should I call you?
How about BONEHEAD?
Make that LIBERAL BONEHEAD.
I am so sorry the moniker hurts your feelings but anyone who believe this commander and thief is doing well for this country and blindly fallows the inane rants of el dumbo or o'really are bushbot robots.
Rhett

United States

#18 May 19, 2008
rollin wrote:
<quoted text>
I am so sorry the moniker hurts your feelings but anyone who believe this commander and thief is doing well for this country and blindly fallows the inane rants of el dumbo or o'really are bushbot robots.
Rollin,

You're having trouble staying on topic.
I never mentioned Mr. Bush in my writings. You did.

My discussion was about liberal values.
Understand?
Rhett

United States

#19 May 19, 2008
Redman,
You've been drinking too much tequila or firewater and getting too many hondouts from the Govt.
Rhett

United States

#20 May 19, 2008
learn to type Rhett --- handouts

My typo error.

I'm an engineer and pilot. Not a typist

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