Is evolution a lie?

Created by Just Me on Dec 3, 2007

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Since: Mar 07

Chesapeake, VA

#814 Dec 26, 2007
WWE FAN 91 wrote:
<quoted text>So is the theory of evolution like in x-men mutation that allowed us to evolve from a single celled organism into the the humans we are now?
LOL
Nope. No super powers are involved.

It really is difficult to simplify evolution into something easily understood in the confines of a thread such as this.

But think of it this way.
We will just look at primate evolution for now as it is what leads to us.

Let's say you are an ancient primate (kind of look like an ape but not quite). Your natural environment is shrinking away (forest are turning into grasslands due to climate and geological changes). You are perfectly content with being a normal primate and moving deeper into the jungles as they receed.
One day you have a child. That child is "different" from the rest of the children because instead of using all four limbs to walk, he only uses two (he walks upright). Now, normally living in the jungles, this would be a problem because bipedal locamotion is not ideal for life in the trees. But, he finds that standing upright does seem to work really well in the grasslands at the edge of the forest since it allows him to see over the grass in order to spot danger. While you and the rest of your clan move further into the jungle, he stays behind and keeps a few mates with him. The next generation has a few more primates that walk upright, the next generation even more until there is an entire clan of primates that are walking upright. This clan thrives in the grasslands at the edge of the ever shrinking jungle. Over many generations other changes begin to become apparent in this isolated clan (since they stopped mating with the jungle primates long ago). Their brains get bigger, they start to lose some of their body hair, a slight change in their vocal cords allows for speech, they start to use tools. Over hundreds of thousands of generations (millions of years) the simple change in the way the primate walked has allowed for other changes in how the primate thinks and acts and communicates to flourish and to lead us to where we are today.

“Knowledge is true opinion”

Since: Mar 07

Chesapeake, VA

#815 Dec 26, 2007
WWE FAN 91 wrote:
<quoted text>So is the theory of evolution like in x-men mutation that allowed us to evolve from a single celled organism into the the humans we are now?
Please notice in the above example how speication works without the elimination of the "parent" species
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First - There has to be a genetic mutation.
Second - That mutation must not be harmful to the survivability of the individual.(It doesn't necessarily need to be beneficial as long as it is not harmful)
Third - The individual must live to sexual maturity and reproduce to pass the trait to the next generation.
Forth - Isolation from the "parent" species. If the group with the mutation continue to breed with the group without the mutation you will either breed out the mutation or the entire species will evolve with it and thus you lose the "parent" species all together.(This does happen also).
qwert

Chesapeake, VA

#816 Dec 28, 2007
i kinda just want to throw this out there.
i believe in a creation in which evolution already happened. it sounds stupid but you just have to think about it like this. when adam was created was a young man but at the same time he was only one day old. you just need to apply the same concept to the earth. so if adam used some futuristic dating technique on a rock he found he might find that it says the earth is actually like 40 billion years old. he also might find a series of fossils.
so if god can create things already with a history like adam. whats to stop him from applying that to the earth.
im not sure about evolution because i don't know that much about biology. but i know enough about the bible to know that chritstian creation will never be proven. this sounds bleak but it's not.
the bible emphasizes the fact that faith is necessary to enter heaven so if there were proof
what would the purpose of faith be.
im not that fluent in biology, but i do know enough about biology to ask a few questions. a mutation seldom generates information. it usually destroys it. mutations are categorized as good or
bad but whether or not info is being generated is never specified. info being destroyed can be a beneficial mutation like in bacteria with penicillin resistance. its a loss of info. and a conglomeration of these mutations could never lead to a more advanced organism. it will just make a new more specialized bacteria. this could happen a million times and each time info will be lost not gained until the bacteria dies. natural selection cant really stop this from happening because the mutations are beneficial but will still never result in higher organism. if i look at this problem i immediately see the info destroying beneficial mutation is occurring many more times than info generating mutations and due to the fact that they are both favored by natural selection it is not a factor.
i don't want to be super aggressive or anything. i don't have faith in my ideas evolution or the big bang. i only place my faith in god where it is supposed to be.

“God is Dead.”

Since: Jun 07

Lincoln, NE

#817 Dec 28, 2007
qwert wrote:
i kinda just want to throw this out there.
i believe in a creation in which evolution already happened. it sounds stupid but you just have to think about it like this. when adam was created was a young man but at the same time he was only one day old. you just need to apply the same concept to the earth. so if adam used some futuristic dating technique on a rock he found he might find that it says the earth is actually like 40 billion years old. he also might find a series of fossils.
so if god can create things already with a history like adam. whats to stop him from applying that to the earth.
im not sure about evolution because i don't know that much about biology. but i know enough about the bible to know that chritstian creation will never be proven. this sounds bleak but it's not.
the bible emphasizes the fact that faith is necessary to enter heaven so if there were proof
what would the purpose of faith be.
im not that fluent in biology, but i do know enough about biology to ask a few questions. a mutation seldom generates information. it usually destroys it. mutations are categorized as good or
bad but whether or not info is being generated is never specified. info being destroyed can be a beneficial mutation like in bacteria with penicillin resistance. its a loss of info. and a conglomeration of these mutations could never lead to a more advanced organism. it will just make a new more specialized bacteria. this could happen a million times and each time info will be lost not gained until the bacteria dies. natural selection cant really stop this from happening because the mutations are beneficial but will still never result in higher organism. if i look at this problem i immediately see the info destroying beneficial mutation is occurring many more times than info generating mutations and due to the fact that they are both favored by natural selection it is not a factor.
i don't want to be super aggressive or anything. i don't have faith in my ideas evolution or the big bang. i only place my faith in god where it is supposed to be.
Uh, no.

Since: Oct 07

Somerset, KY

#818 Dec 29, 2007
Lynn27 wrote:
WWE X-Men? you can watch stuff like that, but you cannot understand the concept of evolution??? get real...<quoted text>
I told you I'm not interested in what you think.

“we don't torture? yeah right.”

Since: May 07

NE Ohio

#819 Dec 29, 2007
the feeling is mutual, take your FAITH and go curl up in a ball, deny the FACTS.
WWE FAN 91 wrote:
<quoted text>I told you I'm not interested in what you think.
qwert

Chesapeake, VA

#820 Dec 29, 2007
deny what facts i am not sure whether or not evolution happened i am only asking questions. evolution may have happened but i am not a biologist or a time traveler.

you obviously didn't read what i posted thoroughly. i suggested a scenario in which evolution, and 40 billion year old earth happened along with creation.

what facts am i denying, throw some facts my way and we can have a proper conversation. i have faith in god but not my theories about the world. i will never deny facts.

the section of my post about evolution was just a question i had if some one would clear it up or just mention something else either about theology or evolution i would love to have a conversation with you. i may be Christian but i assure you i will not try to impose my religion onto you.

so lets discuss the facts rather than accuse people of denying them.
qwert

Chesapeake, VA

#821 Dec 29, 2007
lord_jesus wrote:
<quoted text>
Uh, no.
no to what, please elaborate.

thats how a conversation works

Since: Dec 07

Atlanta

#823 Dec 29, 2007
qwert wrote:
deny what facts i am not sure whether or not evolution happened i am only asking questions. evolution may have happened but i am not a biologist or a time traveler.
you obviously didn't read what i posted thoroughly. i suggested a scenario in which evolution, and 40 billion year old earth happened along with creation.
what facts am i denying, throw some facts my way and we can have a proper conversation. i have faith in god but not my theories about the world. i will never deny facts.
the section of my post about evolution was just a question i had if some one would clear it up or just mention something else either about theology or evolution i would love to have a conversation with you. i may be Christian but i assure you i will not try to impose my religion onto you.
so lets discuss the facts rather than accuse people of denying them.
So you believe in a "prankster god"? One that goes around making things that look old, too what end? To weed out people who think logically from it's flock? A god that created a world that didn't need evolution (since he created everything) but gave the appearance of it, sounds like a pretty mean and pointless trick to me.

“we don't torture? yeah right.”

Since: May 07

NE Ohio

#824 Dec 29, 2007
here is some FACTS. FACT, living things die and leave their remains behind. FACT, these remains tend to pile up. FACT, they have found that the lower you dig the more primitive the remains are, that changes occurred living thing suggesting they adapted. From that I can assume that "life" becomes more complex over time.

another FACT, EVERY man woman and child that ever lived was at one time a single celled organism.

from that FACT I can assume that all living things evolved from a single celled organism. Thru trial and error one cell became two, then four and so on...
qwert wrote:
deny what facts i am not sure whether or not evolution happened i am only asking questions. evolution may have happened but i am not a biologist or a time traveler.
you obviously didn't read what i posted thoroughly. i suggested a scenario in which evolution, and 40 billion year old earth happened along with creation.
what facts am i denying, throw some facts my way and we can have a proper conversation. i have faith in god but not my theories about the world. i will never deny facts.
the section of my post about evolution was just a question i had if some one would clear it up or just mention something else either about theology or evolution i would love to have a conversation with you. i may be Christian but i assure you i will not try to impose my religion onto you.
so lets discuss the facts rather than accuse people of denying them.
you are good at looking without seeing, you bore me...
Wayne

Summersville, WV

#825 Dec 29, 2007
Judging from those on here that say it ISN'T a lie, I would say, yes, it IS a lie. Your god, Darwin is dead. My Lord, Jesus Christ is and always has been, alive. Let the idiots wail on!!

Since: Dec 07

Atlanta

#826 Dec 29, 2007
Wayne wrote:
Judging from those on here that say it ISN'T a lie, I would say, yes, it IS a lie. Your god, Darwin is dead. My Lord, Jesus Christ is and always has been, alive. Let the idiots wail on!!
So you base your decisions on where something is true or not solely by judging the people who have already formed an opinion of the subject, not the actually substance of the debate, just the people. Doesn't sound like a good way to make decisions to me.
Pat

Granby, CT

#827 Dec 29, 2007
We just need to understand that as science progresses a greater and greater percentage of the population will be unable to understand it due to their limited mental ability. This is why so many still fight evolution.

Since: Nov 07

Portland, OR

#828 Dec 29, 2007
Its sad that its the 21st Century and 40 percent of Americans still dont believe in science or evolution.
This just tells me how horrible our nation's education system is.
These are the same people that dont have a clue where Europe is on the map, who our 1st or 2nd President was, etc.

I dont think its a mistake though. Our corporations love an uneducated populace. They can get away with a lot more. A good example is how thy have told the populace that Global Warming is a scientific hoax just like Evolution.
qwert

Chesapeake, VA

#829 Dec 29, 2007
Lynn27 wrote:
here is some FACTS. FACT, living things die and leave their remains behind. FACT, these remains tend to pile up. FACT, they have found that the lower you dig the more primitive the remains are, that changes occurred living thing suggesting they adapted. From that I can assume that "life" becomes more complex over time.

yes that is usually true. but fossilization is actually very rare. when something dies it is usually picked apart by scavengers and what not. so a truly complete fossil record would be very hard to find. there are also certain gaps, like the pre-cambrean explosion.
it seems like you think that i am a devout creationist, but in fact i believe evolution may have happened. there certainly is a lot of evidence.

another FACT, EVERY man woman and child that ever lived was at one time a single celled organism.
from that FACT I can assume that all living things evolved from a single celled organism.

embryology is a commonly used argument for evolution. that is interesting but not too conclusive. i mean how else would we start. some sort of more advanced organism and downgrade in the womb. its interesting but not exactly conclusive evidence.

Thru trial and error one cell became two, then four and so on...<quoted text>you are good at looking without seeing, you bore me...
how exactly am i looking without seeing?
qwert

Chesapeake, VA

#830 Dec 29, 2007
Lynn27 wrote:
here is some FACTS. FACT, living things die and leave their remains behind. FACT, these remains tend to pile up. FACT, they have found that the lower you dig the more primitive the remains are, that changes occurred living thing suggesting they adapted. From that I can assume that "life" becomes more complex over time.
another FACT, EVERY man woman and child that ever lived was at one time a single celled organism.
from that FACT I can assume that all living things evolved from a single celled organism. Thru trial and error one cell became two, then four and so on...<quoted text>you are good at looking without seeing, you bore me...


yes that is usually true. but fossilization is actually very rare. when something dies it is usually picked apart by scavengers and what not. so a truly complete fossil record would be very hard to find. there are also certain gaps, like the pre-cambrean explosion.
it seems like you think that i am a devout creationist, but in fact i believe evolution may have happened. there certainly is a lot of evidence.


embryology is a commonly used argument for evolution. that is interesting but not too conclusive. i mean how else would we start. some sort of more advanced organism and downgrade in the womb. its interesting but not exactly conclusive evidence.

qwert

Chesapeake, VA

#831 Dec 29, 2007
The_Captain wrote:
<quoted text>
So you believe in a "prankster god"? One that goes around making things that look old, too what end? To weed out people who think logically from it's flock? A god that created a world that didn't need evolution (since he created everything) but gave the appearance of it, sounds like a pretty mean and pointless trick to me.
haha. the bible above all else emphasizes faith. it is how man is said to get into heaven. a world in which faith is not necessary goes against everything the bible teaches. that is why i believe the earth was created with a history in which evolution and all that already happened. so the earth could have been created 6000 years ago but also be 40 billion years old.

don't try to understand what god is "thinking" it is impossible.

Wayne

Summersville, WV

#832 Dec 29, 2007
True or false?

Science Hearing on Teaching the Controversy, Kansas State Board of Education, Topeka, Kansas, May 5-7, 2005. Seventeen Ph.D.s presented some of the best papers ever heard in support of Intelligent Design. During the day devoted for evolution evidence, not one paper was presented by the numerous rowdy evolutionists in attendance. Scientifically as usual, the evolutionists completely defaulted, thereby consistently demonstrating that there is no scientific evidence to support evolution. None.
37. Hearing on the Teaching of Evolution for the European Parliament of the European Union, Brussels, Belgium, October 11, 2006. The papers presented scientific evidence that there is no scientific evidence to support evolution whereas all the scientific evidence in the universe supports devolution, the exact opposite and excluder of evolution (see the culminating paper at http://www.josephmastropaolo.com/PDF/devolve.... ). All of the evidence was undisputed in spite of the fact that the evolutionists obviously were in attendance. The evolutionists made their presence known by repeatedly tearing down the posters for the Hearing and the directions to the auditorium. The evolutionists also threw a temper tantrum devoid of evidence or questions during the 40-minute question and discussion session. There were simultaneous translations in English, French, German, and Polish. All of the evolutionists that insulted the presenters were challenged for their scientific evidence and everyone of them had none. For Europe, this demonstrated beyond any doubt that the evolutionists have no scientific evidence to support evolution. None.
38. European Society for Evolutionary Biology.(ESEB) Publishes the Journal of Evolutionary Biology to "support the study of organic evolution and the integration of related scientific fields." When challenged for its scientific evidence in support of evolution, it had none. How remarkable that a society and its journal pretending to advance science are in fact advancing the anti-science, evolution, proven a superstition based on ignorance by means of experiments never overturned 3.4 centuries ago by a European medical doctor.
Wayne

Summersville, WV

#833 Dec 29, 2007
True or False?

Dr. Guy Consolmagno, Vatican astronomer, Fordham University visiting professor, Brother in the Society of Jesus, claims on his web site without evidence that Genesis is pagan and creationists believe in a flat Earth, whereas scientific and historical evidence support Genesis and prove that evolution is based 12% on superstitions, 74% on frauds, 14% on forgeries, and the vitalism worship of the pagan goddess, Gaea, the Great Mother Earth. When confronted, he evaded, misled, and lied as well as any evolutionist.
Wayne

Summersville, WV

#834 Dec 29, 2007

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