Doctor REALITY

Little Rock, AR

#146 Jan 29, 2013
Atheists work for Satan the devil,whether they believe it,or not.
christianity is EVIL

Halifax, Canada

#147 Jan 29, 2013
Doctor REALITY wrote:
Atheists work for Satan the devil,whether they believe it,or not.
youre full of shyt Porterboy

all kristains are
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#148 Jan 29, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
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A creator cannot be created simple look at it this way, cars/constructs these are all made, the makers of those are NOT made they are created thus the creator of those creations cannot be either made nor created.
Yes I still stick with the cause and effect, but God cannot be subjected as an effect, since he is not an effect there is no cause for God.
You simply proved my point for the your last example, TIME is something man brought up, which is simply an indicator of events that occur during a period, in which they labeled and gave it an identity. Space...same man brought it up as a measure between distances and dimensions. However, all that existed not by us we simply identify, but do not create, thus it had been created if u say made then how is the creator of those makers?
"the concept of a beginning for the universe is MEANINGLESS." I'm afraid u said something that all atheists disagree with you on that point, since atheists say that our very purpose for living and that we are all here is simply for learning, which in this case is meaningful.
Now you're being dishonest. You are now MOVING THE GOAL POSTS, and moving them to conform to your argument. When you do this in a debate between intelligent people is called "SPECIAL PLEADING." You set the parameters and then exclude your God from these very parameters, that is dishonest and it, in the end is an extremely flawed argument. Once again you can't have hard and fast rules....."whatever exists must have a creator"......and then change those rules to suit your argument....."the creator cannot be made nor created." Bullshit, either these rules are universal and apply to everything, or you can throw them out completely. Because I can now say, the universe has always existed no creator needed. Or An advanced race of Alien created the universe, and they also did not need a creator. When you move the goal posts and change the rules to suit your argument I can do the same and the rules that YOU laid down, are now worthless.

Do you really believe that before human walked the earth there was NO TIME? Really. Should the entire human race disappear tomorrow, time would cease to be? No more weeks or months or years?And the same with space, before man, the moo was NOT 256,000 miles away? What the hell are you talking about here??????????

And no all Atheist NO NOT say our only purpose is to learn. Where do you get this stuff??? It appears that your purpose is predetermined for you by Allah, wit Christians its God. I decide what my purpose in life is, only I can decide that. If I want to devote my life to the sick, I become a doctor. If I want to advance our species and provide new and exciting discoveries, I become a scientist. If I want to advance an art form I become a composer, or artist, of musician.
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#149 Jan 29, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
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I see you understood wrong, Allah turned a tribe of HUMANS who refused to believe in his might and so Alah punished them by turning them into monkeys as for your post #83 and all about common sense I'm saving this conversation for later as it will expand more and more let us now deal first with the Creations,Causes and Effects, Space Time momentum and others posted just now. Unless if u insist I must reply #83 NOW tell me, if not I'll be happy to do so later on.
This is what YOU wrote. You never said humans into Monkeys, you said MONKEYS INTO MONKEYS.

"I do not agree that we were monkeys as I believe that monkeys were once a tribe whom did not succumb to Allah, therefore were punished and turned into monkey, here I agree with evolution that monkeys then evolved into the different classes, apes, baboons, chimps etc."
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#150 Jan 29, 2013
Doctor REALITY wrote:
Atheists work for Satan the devil,whether they believe it,or not.
The nice thing about working for Satan, is you get on his Good side. He loves that those working for him have turned against his arch enemy God. He recruits use to turn more and more against God, we are rewarded in Hell. Its not all fire and brimstone like the Theists would have you believe, its booze, broads, sex, drugs, and anything else you want. He's a very cool dude.....Oh, and guess what.......He doesn't murder little babies or destroy unborn fetuses like God. Take a look at God list of humans he has personally murdered or commanded to be killed. Satan has only....yep TWO, or so says the bible, if you can believe any of that bullshit......well....back to work.....Oh can I interest you in some.......oh never mind!!!!111

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#151 Jan 29, 2013
Clementia wrote:
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So u believe in God coz u fear him?
So fear is greater than love now?
again with the prejudice, why must u keep on closing ur eyes? show me where I wrote fear is greater than love, if u dare show me now or apologize.

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#152 Jan 29, 2013
Doctor REALITY wrote:
Atheists work for Satan the devil,whether they believe it,or not.
Well your going a bit far my friend, the ones your referring to are infidels not atheists.

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#153 Jan 29, 2013
christianity is EVIL wrote:
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youre full of shyt Porterboy
all kristains are
hmm same answer for u, the ones that are with Satan and against God are infidels.
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#154 Jan 29, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
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Well your going a bit far my friend, the ones your referring to are infidels not atheists.
Whats the difference between Atheists and Infidels? You said anyone who rejects your god is an Infidel. I reject all God that includes yours, so am I an Infidel as well as an Atheists. I can't see how I can be an Atheist and also NOT an Infidel.
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#155 Jan 29, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
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hmm same answer for u, the ones that are with Satan and against God are infidels.
What about other religions, religion that reject Allah, are they considered infidels?

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#156 Jan 29, 2013
My you made a whole mess here, First of all it is you who is being unfair, since you keep on changing what I see to make YOUR argument suiting for you. I said all creations have a creator not all existence has a creator, thus God is not a creation and therefore does not have a creator. Now there won't be any special pleading here, and yes I know what it is, for another atheist on another thread told me about it.
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>An advanced race of Alien created the universe, and they also did not need a creator.
That is scientology=meaningless. If u like, Define Alien (race) he was not a creation? u just said race, so that is a creation...
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Do you really believe that before human walked the earth there was NO TIME?
Again define what do u mean when before the age of dinosaurs there is time..when? if u try to think time<God or time>God or time=God all are rejected by my religion, for only God is omniscient and we will never and can never ever reach that knowledge because He has not let it be for us. If we knew then there will be a weakspot and if there was a weakspot then God would not be God..
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>And no all Atheist NO NOT say our only purpose is to learn. Where do you get this stuff???
Again I never said the word "ONLY purpose" I said purpose, u might have another and if u do I wish to know. As for who said your purpose here is to learn, well an atheist whose nick is Mylan said so, go and argue with him not me.
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>It appears that your purpose is predetermined for you by Allah, wit Christians its God. I decide what my purpose in life is, only I can decide that. If I want to devote my life to the sick, I become a doctor. If I want to advance our species and provide new and exciting discoveries, I become a scientist. If I want to advance an art form I become a composer, or artist, of musician.
Sure same here, except I'd be a faithful one, not a doctor who can charge extra because sins do not exist, or make the patient wait a little more, disease spreads then charge more. If I was a patient why would I go to an atheist doctor if he does not mind sinning (no sins for him!!!) at least I'd go to one who is religious and avoids sinning, who also might turn out bad, but at least a higher chance of good from the atheist doctor. Atheist doctor: yes I do not believe in sins but I won't cheat you I swear...How can u swear you don't believe in God. Trust to you is only deceitful and for your own sake and happiness. If your an artist you'd draw porn and be proud too..no comment

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#157 Jan 29, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text> This is what YOU wrote. You never said humans into Monkeys, you said MONKEYS INTO MONKEYS.
"I do not agree that we were monkeys as I believe that monkeys were once a tribe whom did not succumb to Allah, therefore were punished and turned into monkey, here I agree with evolution that monkeys then evolved into the different classes, apes, baboons, chimps etc."
I apologize then, I misstyped without noticing I meant to say humans instead of monkeys.

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#158 Jan 29, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>The nice thing about working for Satan, is you get on his Good side. He loves that those working for him have turned against his arch enemy God. He recruits use to turn more and more against God, we are rewarded in Hell. Its not all fire and brimstone like the Theists would have you believe, its booze, broads, sex, drugs, and anything else you want. He's a very cool dude.....Oh, and guess what.......He doesn't murder little babies or destroy unborn fetuses like God. Take a look at God list of humans he has personally murdered or commanded to be killed. Satan has only....yep TWO, or so says the bible, if you can believe any of that bullshit......well....back to work.....Oh can I interest you in some.......oh never mind!!!!111
The satan your talking about sounds hilarious, like to meet him :P

As for the idea about God and death of newborns and cancer/diseases and deformed I already answered that on another thread, have a look at this, I hope that it makes you better..at least even if u don't believe in God but would have a better idea.

here is what I wrote -

A child becoming sick is also a test...You must be thankful to Allah Always in everytime of happyness and suffering read. That small child having cancer or anything first of all. Gets into heaven if he dies. Second it lives, the child will have a stronger will and patience than you. Third as I said it is a test for you..will you curse God or accept what God does. God has brought you this child, it is not YOURS sure u worked a little but the rest was a blessing to you, he has simply taken it back. Plus there are always advantages to everything. for instance someone who is blind is refrained from sinning through his eyes. Someone who is deaf can not overhear or spy with his ears. I'm not saying its better, but there are always reasons that are far beyond our reasoning. The problem here is that you always try to compare yourselves to God, just because we are intelligent beings, do not forget who is your creator. If you created sand can it surpass you in shape and figure? God has created you and your brain therefore you will never surpass or even come near him by your wisdom. Unless HE has allowed it.
And that child who is sick is never left or forgotten, God watches all and loves those who keep their divinity towards him. In your case your saying the cry of the lonely oppressed ones is never heard and the oppressor gets away with it...sadly this gives atheists some evil ideas since they don't believe in God..this is another discussion anyways lastly this is also a sign of Gods powers that even the new born can be defected yet they can still live happily, for example look at Nick Vujicic he has tetra amelia syndrome but he is one of the happyist of the happyists out there. How do you reply to that?
Also it is part of life cycle yes, I mean people like you think its better and better if doctors keep on finding cures and antidotes for living and living as much as possible, but have you asked yourself why diseases exist then? Its not nice thinking this way but its true (you like this idea..) diseases help lower the population which help in sooooooo many things u can think of.
stretch of logic...you go back into facts..tell me I also forgot to say this to KittenKoder did Aristotel and Newton and others have fasts back then? no they were thinking much beyond facts until then they managed to prove what they had. You are now like the men back then who think that we are loons but on the day of judgement the exact will happen to was newton and others proved many ages ago.

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#159 Jan 29, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Whats the difference between Atheists and Infidels? You said anyone who rejects your god is an Infidel. I reject all God that includes yours, so am I an Infidel as well as an Atheists. I can't see how I can be an Atheist and also NOT an Infidel.
Your an infidel if you accept the existence of God, yet oppose Him.
Well what are u now an infidel or an atheist?

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#160 Jan 29, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>What about other religions, religion that reject Allah, are they considered infidels?
They are not infidels, I explained in the previous post.
i am addicted to caffeine

San Francisco, CA

#161 Jan 29, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
My you made a whole mess here, First of all it is you who is being unfair, since you keep on changing what I see to make YOUR argument suiting for you. I said all creations have a creator not all existence has a creator, thus God is not a creation and therefore does not have a creator. Now there won't be any special pleading here, and yes I know what it is, for another atheist on another thread told me about it.
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That is scientology=meaningless. If u like, Define Alien (race) he was not a creation? u just said race, so that is a creation...
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Again define what do u mean when before the age of dinosaurs there is time..when? if u try to think time<God or time>God or time=God all are rejected by my religion, for only God is omniscient and we will never and can never ever reach that knowledge because He has not let it be for us. If we knew then there will be a weakspot and if there was a weakspot then God would not be God..
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Again I never said the word "ONLY purpose" I said purpose, u might have another and if u do I wish to know. As for who said your purpose here is to learn, well an atheist whose nick is Mylan said so, go and argue with him not me.
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Sure same here, except I'd be a faithful one, not a doctor who can charge extra because sins do not exist, or make the patient wait a little more, disease spreads then charge more. If I was a patient why would I go to an atheist doctor if he does not mind sinning (no sins for him!!!) at least I'd go to one who is religious and avoids sinning, who also might turn out bad, but at least a higher chance of good from the atheist doctor. Atheist doctor: yes I do not believe in sins but I won't cheat you I swear...How can u swear you don't believe in God. Trust to you is only deceitful and for your own sake and happiness. If your an artist you'd draw porn and be proud too..no comment
Oh dear...
i am addicted to caffeine

San Francisco, CA

#162 Jan 29, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
That is scientology=meaningless. Define alien (race). Was he not a creation? You just said race, so that is a creation...
Did you not understand that post at all? It's the same as Christianity- except instead of a magic sky fairy, there's aliens. You could use the FSM or the IPU- they're just as likely to exist as a magic sky fairy. The wording there is completely irrelevant- you're just nitpicking because you know you're beaten all ends up with that argument...
Victor Belmont wrote:
before the age of dinosaurs there was a time..when?
Oh dear. As a dinosaur forum(Yeah, DEAL WITH IT) user, this post makes my blood boil. There was 4.4 BYA before the dinosaurs. A good deal of that was the Precambrian superaeon, but the Paleozoic consists of the most time out of all of the eras of the Phanerozoic aeon. Google those terms, if you're too uneducated to know them.
Victor Belmont wrote:
rest of paragraph
Sorry, I can't really comment that as I don't have a translator for whatever language you're speaking there.
Victor Belmont wrote:
Again I never said the word "ONLY purpose" I said purpose, u might have another and if u do I wish to know. As for who said your purpose here is to learn, well an atheist whose nick is Mylan said so, go and argue with him not me.
This seems irrelevant to your incredible stupidity,so I'll just leave it....
Victor Belmont wrote:
Sure same here, except I'd be a faithful one, not a doctor who can charge extra because sins do not exist, or make the patient wait a little more, disease spreads then charge more. If I was a patient why would I go to an atheist doctor if he does not mind sinning (no sins for him!!!) at least I'd go to one who is religious and avoids sinning, who also might turn out bad, but at least a higher chance of good from the atheist doctor. Atheist doctor: yes I do not believe in sins but I won't cheat you I swear...How can u swear you don't believe in God. Trust to you is only deceitful and for your own sake and happiness. If your an artist you'd draw porn and be proud too..no comment
Here's my response:

Sure same here, except I'd be an atheist one, not a doctor who can charge extra because sins do exist, or make the patient wait a little more, disease spreads then charge more. If I was a patient why would I go to a religious doctor if he does not mind being ignorant of science at least I'd go to one who is atheist and avoids making bullshit claims, who also might turn out bad, but at least a higher chance of good from the religious doctor. Religious doctor: yes I do believe in sins but I won't cheat you I swear...How can u swear you believe in God. Trust to you is only deceitful and for your own sake and happiness. If your an artist you'd draw porn and be proud too..no comment

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#163 Jan 29, 2013
i am addicted to caffeine wrote:
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Oh dear...
U must get off the caffeine :P

I for one have not drank any coffee or nescafe/cappuuch...something for 16 or 17 years now, I never rly could like it. Nor fizzy drinks, I can't understand how u love to drink something that cannot be drank at once with ease. Just lucky I was born this way, love only water and fresh juices.^^

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#164 Jan 29, 2013
i am addicted to caffeine wrote:
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Did you not understand that post at all? It's the same as Christianity- except instead of a magic sky fairy, there's aliens. You could use the FSM or the IPU- they're just as likely to exist as a magic sky fairy. The wording there is completely irrelevant- you're just nitpicking because you know you're beaten all ends up with that argument...
Exactly, but scientology was not a book from God, the bible has been altered even the torah that's the reason why a third book has been brought down. If you read the history you will know why the quran has been successfully maintained.
i am addicted to caffeine wrote:
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Oh dear. As a dinosaur forum(Yeah, DEAL WITH IT) user, this post makes my blood boil. There was 4.4 BYA before the dinosaurs. A good deal of that was the Precambrian superaeon, but the Paleozoic consists of the most time out of all of the eras of the Phanerozoic aeon. Google those terms, if you're too uneducated to know them.
You did not understand what I meant here, I meant before much before even the Phanerozoic aeon. What I mean is we do not know no one knows God=time or God>time or God<time and we will never know for God is the only ommniscient and has not given us this knowledge.
i am addicted to caffeine wrote:
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Sorry, I can't really comment that as I don't have a translator for whatever language you're speaking there.
Tell me what do u not understand, I apologize for my English, for it is not my native Lang.
i am addicted to caffeine wrote:
<quoted text>This seems irrelevant to your incredible stupidity,so I'll just leave it....
If you fail to come up with a counter argument, simply say so or do not reply. If you could show why that is irrelevant to my incredible stupidity (never knew stupidity can be incredible) I'd be happy to see.
i am addicted to caffeine wrote:
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Here's my response:
Sure same here, except I'd be an atheist one, not a doctor who can charge extra because sins do exist, or make the patient wait a little more, disease spreads then charge more. If I was a patient why would I go to a religious doctor if he does not mind being ignorant of science at least I'd go to one who is atheist and avoids making bullshit claims, who also might turn out bad, but at least a higher chance of good from the religious doctor. Religious doctor: yes I do believe in sins but I won't cheat you I swear...How can u swear you believe in God. Trust to you is only deceitful and for your own sake and happiness. If your an artist you'd draw porn and be proud too..no comment
the first sentence does not make sense, because if sins do exist why would he? Second sentence - you made such a claim that I'm here in front of you a muslim who loves science, care to explain me now? If you think we are ignorant and against science your looking at another religion probably, learning is part of worship in my religion. third sentence - How can u swear u believe in God???what r u saying my friend are u high? Last sentence - no my uncle is an artist and he does not draw because nudity is forbidden in Islam.

No thnx I don't drink coffee ^^

Since: Jan 13

Kuwait, Kuwait

#165 Jan 29, 2013
@I am addicted to coffee since u love dinosaurs I think you'd like my cousin's art, he is obsessed with dino's since he was a child. here is the link for your interest.http://hanxopx.devian tart.com/gallery/

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