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#640 Feb 8, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
Viruses directly exchange genetic material with other living organisms. They interact on a very basic level with life itself in the most vital area of life, the DNA of life.

From: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm...

"...viruses directly exchange genetic information with living organisms—that is, within the web of life itself. A possible surprise to most physicians, and perhaps to most evolutionary biologists as well, is that most known viruses are persistent and innocuous, not pathogenic. They take up residence in cells, where they may remain dormant for long periods or take advantage of the cells’ replication apparatus to reproduce at a slow and steady rate. These viruses have developed many clever ways to avoid detection by the host immune system— essentially every step in the immune process can be altered or controlled by various genes found in one virus or another...."

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#641 Feb 8, 2013
Are Viruses Living?

9 June 2004

Let’s first define life. According to the online Merriam-Webster Dictionary, life is “an organismic state characterized by capacity for metabolism, growth, reaction to stimuli, and reproduction.”

Viruses are not living things. Viruses are complicated assemblies of molecules, including proteins, nucleic acids, lipids, and carbohydrates, but on their own they can do nothing until they enter a living cell. Without cells, viruses would not be able to multiply. Therefore, viruses are not living things.

http://www.virology.ws/2004/06/09/are-viruses...

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#642 Feb 8, 2013
Viruses can only replicate themselves by infecting a host cell and therefore cannot reproduce on their own.

At the most basic level, viruses consist of genetic material contained within a protective protein coat called a capsid; the existence of both genetic material and protein distinguishes them from other virus-like particles such as prions and viroids.

They infect a wide variety of organisms: both eukaryotes (animals, fungi and plants) and prokaryotes (bacteria).

A virus that infects bacteria is known as a bacteriophage, often shortened to phage.

The study of viruses is known as virology, and those who study viruses are known as virologists. It has been argued extensively whether viruses are living organisms.

Most virologists consider them non-living, as they do not meet all the criteria of the generally accepted definition of life.

They are similar to obligate intracellular parasites as they lack the means for self-reproduction outside a host cell, but unlike parasites, viruses are generally not considered to be true living organisms.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/articles/v/virus....

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#643 Feb 8, 2013
When researchers first discovered agents that behaved like bacteria but were much smaller and caused diseases such as rabies and foot-and-mouth disease, it became the general view that viruses were biologically "alive." However this perception changed in 1935 when the tobacco mosaic virus was crystallized and it was shown that the particles lacked the mechanisms necessary for metabolic function. Once it was established that viruses consist merely of DNA or RNA surrounded by a protein shell, it became the scientific view that they are more complex biochemical mechanisms than living organisms.

http://serc.carleton.edu/microbelife/yellowst...

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#644 Feb 8, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
Are Viruses Living?
9 June 2004
Let’s first define life. According to the online Merriam-Webster Dictionary, life is “an organismic state characterized by capacity for metabolism, growth, reaction to stimuli, and reproduction.”
Viruses are not living things. Viruses are complicated assemblies of molecules, including proteins, nucleic acids, lipids, and carbohydrates, but on their own they can do nothing until they enter a living cell. Without cells, viruses would not be able to multiply. Therefore, viruses are not living things.
http://www.virology.ws/2004/06/09/are-viruses...
Viruses exchange genetic material (DNA) with living things. That makes them an integral part of life and therefore ALIVE!!!

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#645 Feb 8, 2013
Viral Structure And Function

A quick glance at Figure 6.4 (A) will quickly reveal why viruses are not considered living cells – they contain no plasma membrane or other organelles! A virus basically is a tiny parasitic particle whose simple structure consists of a core of nucleic acid surrounded by a coat of proteins. This extremely simple structure is enough, because viruses do not eat or drink, grow, synthesize proteins, or reproduce by themselves. Each viral particle contains either DNA or RNA as its nucleic acid, but not both of them. Recall that both DNA and several types of RNA are required for protein synthesis. Hence, viruses cannot make their own proteins.

http://www.education.com/study-help/article/b...

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#646 Feb 8, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
When researchers first discovered agents that behaved like bacteria but were much smaller and caused diseases such as rabies and foot-and-mouth disease, it became the general view that viruses were biologically "alive." However this perception changed in 1935 when the tobacco mosaic virus was crystallized and it was shown that the particles lacked the mechanisms necessary for metabolic function. Once it was established that viruses consist merely of DNA or RNA surrounded by a protein shell, it became the scientific view that they are more complex biochemical mechanisms than living organisms.
http://serc.carleton.edu/microbelife/yellowst...
So then just for fun, lets adopt your POV for a second. Viruses are NOT alive. They are just strands of amino acids that formed "randomly" albeit within the confines of natural laws. Presently they exchange DNA segments with living cells.

Is it really so great a stretch of the imagination that a couple viruses in prehistory swapped a few DNA strands and created the first living cell?

Perhaps, all by your lonesome, you have proven abiogenesis is feasible!!

So, go ahead! Have it your way. I couldn't really give a rat's patootie.

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#647 Feb 8, 2013
Since a virus is technically not a living organism, it can't die. Scientists have decided that to be considered a living organism, something must have 5 qualities: 1) be made of one or more cells, 2) have a metabolism (i.e., reactions that break down food molecules, make proteins, etc.), 3) grow and develop, 4) reproduce, and 5) respond to stimuli. A virus particle is basically a protein shell of some kind that houses a bit of nucleic acid (either DNA or RNA, depending on the virus), and maybe a few enzymes that will be active in the infected cell. Picture a miniature syringe and hypodermic needle, filled with DNA, and you have a pretty good image of a virus. So it's not living to begin with.

That being said, let's ask, does a virus ever lose the ability to infect cells, which is really what your question was getting at. The answer is yes, although the length of time this can take can vary greatly. All DNA and protein is susceptible to damage from the environment; if not repaired, the information encoded in the DNA can be lost, and proteins can lose their ability to function. Your cells repair damaged DNA and replace many (but not all) damaged or old proteins. A virus stored in a test tube for months or years can't do this, so _eventually_ it will lose its ability to infect. The time required for this depends largely on environmental conditions, e.g., it will happen faster at room temperature than if stored in the refrigerator.

Viruses are strange particles that exist in the gray area between life and non-life. Here's food for thought: While not living organisms, they DO evolve, meaning they accumulate random mutations that either help or hinder the next generation of viruses. Of course, to get the next generation, they need to infect a cell and use its machinery to make more viruses.

Paul Mahoney, Ph.D.

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#648 Feb 8, 2013
And OH! BTW! That would mean no creator is required.

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#649 Feb 8, 2013
Nonliving

Viruses are not cells. They do not have a cell membrane or other components of living cells.

Living host cells are required for their reproduction. Outside of the host, they act as nonliving chemicals.

They do not metabolize or respond to stimuli.

They have genetic material and can therefore mutate and evolve.

They form parasitic relationships with living organisms; the virus benefits at the expense of the living organism.

http://faculty.clintoncc.suny.edu/faculty/mic...

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#650 Feb 8, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
Are Viruses Living? 9 June 2004 Let’s first define life. According to the online Merriam-Webster Dictionary[ blah blah blah
Again, almost ten years old. So not very accurate.

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#651 Feb 8, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
They have genetic material and can therefore mutate and evolve.
Hmmm... the mimivirus has over 1000 genes. Weird.

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#652 Feb 8, 2013
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>Again, almost ten years old. So not very accurate.
Do you really think the definition of life change in the last ten years? pfft

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#653 Feb 8, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
Each viral particle contains either DNA or RNA as its nucleic acid, but not both of them.
Not true. the mimivirus contain BOTH DNA and RNA. Maybe you should read data that is newer than 2004. LOL...

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#654 Feb 8, 2013
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Do you really think the definition of life change in the last ten years?
As science grows and learns more definitions evolve, so apparently it has.

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#655 Feb 8, 2013
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>Not true. the mimivirus contain BOTH DNA and RNA. Maybe you should read data that is newer than 2004. LOL...
It still does not meet all the criteria to be called a life form.
Though it is almost , it does however show that some virus strains may eventually evolve into true lifeforms.

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#656 Feb 9, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
Nonliving
Viruses are not cells. They do not have a cell membrane or other components of living cells.
Living host cells are required for their reproduction. Outside of the host, they act as nonliving chemicals.
They do not metabolize or respond to stimuli.
They have genetic material and can therefore mutate and evolve.
They form parasitic relationships with living organisms; the virus benefits at the expense of the living organism.
http://faculty.clintoncc.suny.edu/faculty/mic...
"....They form parasitic relationships with living organisms..."

How can a living organism have a 'relationship' with an inanimate object??

BAZINGA!!

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#657 Feb 9, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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It still does not meet all the criteria to be called a life form.
Though it is almost , it does however show that some virus strains may eventually evolve into true lifeforms.
So then inanimate chemicals can evolve into living organisms with no creator required!

Nice!!
Beckley Truth

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#658 Feb 9, 2013
Victor Belmont wrote:
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No fear is one of the things...We do not because we love God. The instincts that you feel sympathy or remorse are there to save you form doing harm even if you faith is not strong or whatever your belief is.
As for our species they were not lost because God has sent a prophet since the creation of Adam. God has never forsaken us. It is we that are slowly losing our divinity towards him. After the death of our beloved prophet Mohammed. No prophet has come down since then, simply because Islam has been spread and no one can alter the words of the Qur'an now.
As for the rest of your story, If there was no God then whats stopping me from buying love raping others doing whatever I want and at the same time loving my family caring for others I could do all this. Look at all the rich ones out there look at there lives. Now since your a sophisticated atheist..I wish to ask you why are you happy when you do good things. Even if it does Its a pity and a waste since there is no hell and Heaven..If I were an atheist I'd say your a stubborn fool I'm enjoying life more than you. I'm doing everything your doing except the only difference is I'm a God and your a normal citizen.
You are 1 sick puppy.What about all the criminals that believe in god?That doesn't stop them from committing crimes .I don't need a god to know right from wrong.I know I'm a better person than most of the religious people I know.Where was god when 20 little innocent children were being gunned down? Why does he let his believers commit terrible crimes in his name,oh yeah I forget he works in misterous ways,B.S,
Normand Guay

Winnipeg, Canada

#659 Feb 9, 2013
Normand Guay wrote:
---No atheists are not good people because they reject GOD'S WAYS and therefor they reject GOD... They need to Repent...
--- Repeat, yes they need to repent.

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