Which is better for a sniper, Army or Marines?

Created by Snipe on Mar 30, 2009

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Army.

Marines.

Caffeinated

Westmont, IL

#43 Apr 2, 2009
Garand wrote:
<quoted text>You mean like the "field agent" who killed Randy Weaver's wife as she stood unarmed in the door holding her baby?
Go look that guy. He can be your role model.
Don't you think that Weaver played a role in his wife's demise? Although he wasn't a KKK member, he did have affiliation with them, and had illegal weapons.

I'm all for guarding people's rights, but I think he was asking for trouble.

“Freedom is not free”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#44 Apr 2, 2009
Weaver had ZERO illegal weapons. NONE AT ALL.

Many farmers who squirrel hunt have more guns than he did.

Also he had NO ties whatsoever to the KKK.

“I'm just a ghost.”

Since: Mar 09

Classified.

#45 Apr 2, 2009
Caffeinated wrote:
<quoted text>
I won't judge you, but why are you okay with killing someone? The power...love of country...?
Cuz I'm a person who feels no regret, no guilt, no remorse, for anything. I will defend this country and feel damn good about it.
Caffeinated

Lake Zurich, IL

#46 Apr 2, 2009
Garand wrote:
Weaver had ZERO illegal weapons. NONE AT ALL.
Many farmers who squirrel hunt have more guns than he did.
Also he had NO ties whatsoever to the KKK.
I know, I know...not the best source for information, but interesting nonetheless:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Weaver

I am not anti-gun by the way, just generating some conversation.
Ride of the Valkyries

Franklin, TN

#47 Apr 2, 2009
Caffeinated wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't you think that Weaver played a role in his wife's demise? Although he wasn't a KKK member, he did have affiliation with them, and had illegal weapons.
I'm all for guarding people's rights, but I think he was asking for trouble.
Hey, woman, you need to go and get the emergency Lasik procedure done. OPEN YOUR DAMN EYES!!! After you get your vision corrected, you need to sit down and make a list of all the illegal weapons that Randy Weaver had in his possession, and then post them here on Topix for us all to see. You OBVIOUSLY have some first-hand knowledge about Randy Weaver that none of the rest of us HAS, and we would like for you to share it all with us. That would INCLUDE his alleged KKK ties.
Ride of the Valkyries

Franklin, TN

#48 Apr 2, 2009
Snipe wrote:
<quoted text>
Cuz I'm a person who feels no regret, no guilt, no remorse, for anything. I will defend this country and feel damn good about it.
You MUST be Lon Horiuchi.
Caffeinated

United States

#49 Apr 2, 2009
Ride of the Valkyries wrote:
<quoted text>Hey, woman, you need to go and get the emergency Lasik procedure done. OPEN YOUR DAMN EYES!!! After you get your vision corrected, you need to sit down and make a list of all the illegal weapons that Randy Weaver had in his possession, and then post them here on Topix for us all to see. You OBVIOUSLY have some first-hand knowledge about Randy Weaver that none of the rest of us HAS, and we would like for you to share it all with us. That would INCLUDE his alleged KKK ties.
I like your passion, Valkyries. LOL!!!

My "damn eyes" are already open.:)

Like I said...just making conversation here, and considering that I wasn't there, I couldn't say either way. That is why I provided the website.

Feel free to expand on your thoughts. Looks like you might have a lot to say.
Caffeinated

United States

#50 Apr 2, 2009
Ride of the Valkyries wrote:
<quoted text>Hey, woman, you need to go and get the emergency Lasik procedure done. OPEN YOUR DAMN EYES!!! After you get your vision corrected, you need to sit down and make a list of all the illegal weapons that Randy Weaver had in his possession, and then post them here on Topix for us all to see. You OBVIOUSLY have some first-hand knowledge about Randy Weaver that none of the rest of us HAS, and we would like for you to share it all with us. That would INCLUDE his alleged KKK ties.
So why do you think he is innocent?

Supposedly, the "illegal" weapons were customized in front of a law enforcement person, and although he wasn't a member of the KKK...he had some interaction with them.

Give us your general take on this situation, I'd be interested in hearing it.

“I'm just a ghost.”

Since: Mar 09

Classified.

#51 Apr 2, 2009
Ride of the Valkyries wrote:
<quoted text>You MUST be Lon Horiuchi.
*whispers* who is that?
Ride of the Valkyries

Franklin, TN

#52 Apr 2, 2009
Caffeinated wrote:
<quoted text>
So why do you think he is innocent?
Supposedly, the "illegal" weapons were customized in front of a law enforcement person, and although he wasn't a member of the KKK...he had some interaction with them.
Give us your general take on this situation, I'd be interested in hearing it.
Do you have the ability to read? Can you not go to "The Federal Siege at Ruby Ridge" thread, which I have been posting on for the past couple of weeks?
The "law enforcement person" was an undercover ATF informant, NOT an ATF agent, as was purported by the ATF. Just another lie by the ATF (oh, I forgot, federal government agencies don't LIE, do they?).

Since: Feb 09

United States

#53 Apr 2, 2009
merican record holder I beleive is a Marine. Semper-fi

“I'm just a ghost.”

Since: Mar 09

Classified.

#54 Apr 2, 2009
Ride of the Valkyries wrote:
<quoted text>Do you have the ability to read? Can you not go to "The Federal Siege at Ruby Ridge" thread, which I have been posting on for the past couple of weeks?
The "law enforcement person" was an undercover ATF informant, NOT an ATF agent, as was purported by the ATF. Just another lie by the ATF (oh, I forgot, federal government agencies don't LIE, do they?).
Actually, they lie all the time to get certain people to believe certain things. They sometimes have to fake people's deaths so they can continue working as an agent without compromising their family's security.

Since: Feb 09

United States

#55 Apr 2, 2009
Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Norman Hathcock II (May 20, 1942 February 23, 1999) was a United States Marine Corps sniper with a service record of 93 confirmed kills. Hathcock's record and the extraordinary details of the missions he undertook made him a legend in the Marine Corps. His fame as a sniper and his dedication to long distance shooting led him to become a major developer of the United States Marine Corps Sniper training program. He has, in recent years, also had the honor of having a rifle named after him, a variant of the M21 dubbed the Springfield Armory M25 White Feather.[1]

The Scout Sniper Basic Course recently moved from its previous location at 3rd Marine Regiment to MCB Hawaii, Kaneohe Bay's Regimental Schools, in order to more efficiently train devil dogs of the 3rd Marine Division.

The school will now receive its funding from the base, and is also allowing other branches of the Armed Forces to attend the 10-week-long course.

"The Marine Corps has the best sniper program in the world," said Gunnery Sgt. Richard Tisdale, staff noncommissioned officer in charge of the Scout Sniper School. "A sniper needs to be trained as best as possible because they must be combat ready at all times," he explained.

"Due to the nature of the sniper's mission, they must be trained mentally and physically to operate independently forward of friendly positions on the battlefield."

The Scout Sniper School has now integrated Marines from the entire 3rd Marine Division as well as soldiers from the Army's 25th Infantry Division aboard Schofield Barracks, and Navy Seals from Navy Seal Delivery Team 1 located at Ford Island.

Previously, the school only trained Marines with the regiment.
Caffeinated

Des Plaines, IL

#56 Apr 2, 2009
Ride of the Valkyries wrote:
<quoted text>Do you have the ability to read? Can you not go to "The Federal Siege at Ruby Ridge" thread, which I have been posting on for the past couple of weeks?
The "law enforcement person" was an undercover ATF informant, NOT an ATF agent, as was purported by the ATF. Just another lie by the ATF (oh, I forgot, federal government agencies don't LIE, do they?).
Does Hooked on Phonics count?:)

I'm not a freaking stalker, for God's sake. How am I supposed to know that you have your own Ruby Ridge thread. LOL!!

Okay...I just checked it out. Why are you the only one on it? I know it couldn't be your charming bedside manner. LOL!

Does it matter if the guy was an informant or agent? He still works for the government, no?

Why are you so riled up about this? Do you know this family, or is it just a matter of principle?

“Winchester Model 1894”

Since: Apr 07

Roy, Washington

#57 Apr 2, 2009
Tboneoh wrote:
Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Norman Hathcock II (May 20, 1942 February 23, 1999) was a United States Marine Corps sniper with a service record of 93 confirmed kills. Hathcock's record and the extraordinary details of the missions he undertook made him a legend in the Marine Corps. His fame as a sniper and his dedication to long distance shooting led him to become a major developer of the United States Marine Corps Sniper training program. He has, in recent years, also had the honor of having a rifle named after him, a variant of the M21 dubbed the Springfield Armory M25 White Feather.[1]
The Scout Sniper Basic Course recently moved from its previous location at 3rd Marine Regiment to MCB Hawaii, Kaneohe Bay's Regimental Schools, in order to more efficiently train devil dogs of the 3rd Marine Division.
The school will now receive its funding from the base, and is also allowing other branches of the Armed Forces to attend the 10-week-long course.
"The Marine Corps has the best sniper program in the world," said Gunnery Sgt. Richard Tisdale, staff noncommissioned officer in charge of the Scout Sniper School. "A sniper needs to be trained as best as possible because they must be combat ready at all times," he explained.
"Due to the nature of the sniper's mission, they must be trained mentally and physically to operate independently forward of friendly positions on the battlefield."
The Scout Sniper School has now integrated Marines from the entire 3rd Marine Division as well as soldiers from the Army's 25th Infantry Division aboard Schofield Barracks, and Navy Seals from Navy Seal Delivery Team 1 located at Ford Island.
Previously, the school only trained Marines with the regiment.
Actualy, a little research will show you that the US Army has the most award winning team in non-combat sniper compitition.

The longest recorded kill by a sniper was by a Canadian soldier at 2430 meters (1.5 miles)
Caffeinated

Des Plaines, IL

#58 Apr 2, 2009
Snipe wrote:
<quoted text>
Cuz I'm a person who feels no regret, no guilt, no remorse, for anything. I will defend this country and feel damn good about it.
Good enough.

Thanks for your honest answer, and thanking you in advance for your service to our country. ;)
Ride of the Valkyries

Franklin, TN

#59 Apr 2, 2009
Caffeinated wrote:
<quoted text>
Does Hooked on Phonics count?:)
I'm not a freaking stalker, for God's sake. How am I supposed to know that you have your own Ruby Ridge thread. LOL!!
Okay...I just checked it out. Why are you the only one on it? I know it couldn't be your charming bedside manner. LOL!
Does it matter if the guy was an informant or agent? He still works for the government, no?
Why are you so riled up about this? Do you know this family, or is it just a matter of principle?
You need to open your eyes and see all the dead bodies piling up all around us from instances where not only are law-abiding citizens flat-out murdered (as in the infamous Ruby Ridge incident) but also instances where "Death Warrants" are signed by federal agents and all-to frequently carried out. Where have you BEEN?
Caffeinated

Naperville, IL

#60 Apr 2, 2009
Ride of the Valkyries wrote:
<quoted text>You need to open your eyes and see all the dead bodies piling up all around us from instances where not only are law-abiding citizens flat-out murdered (as in the infamous Ruby Ridge incident) but also instances where "Death Warrants" are signed by federal agents and all-to frequently carried out. Where have you BEEN?
Here is the thing...yes, I agree the government over reacted, but the problem started when Randy failed to appear in court. Why not surrender peacefully? Did he think everyone would just go away? What about the gun sales? The guns were too short. No KKK affiliation whatsoever? Not once?

It is unfortunate that people cut themselves off from the rest of the world. The Weavers thought a reality existed, that clearly did not. It wasn't the apocalypse.

In Randy's defense, I believe that his military background put him in a different state of mind from the average civilian, and that is a thin line to walk. A person serves his country, and then is expected to live a "normal" life. Like I explained to Snipes, that is difficult sometimes, and Randy didn't even see combat.

Look at how much grief the NRA takes, and the average Joe who owns a firearm. Not everyone has a love for the sport, and most don't understand it. We live in a time of political correctness. Randy was not politically correct.

A sad state of affairs to be sure. I see errors on both sides.

For conversation sake...do your best to respond without a load of baloney. I am interested in your answer.
Mike

Dunn, NC

#61 Apr 2, 2009
Caffeinated wrote:
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Everything that is going on in the middle east. obama was supposed to be a hero, and bring everyone home. Now, he is sending more troops to Afghanistan.
I supported the war because I understand why we went into Iraq. I also know that it is a long ride, because you can't change a culture overnight.
obama was willing to give deadlines for withdrawing troops...which I never understood why he would give our playbook to the enemy?
Now, I have no idea where anyone stands on these issues. Our media certainly doesn't cover it properly.
Any insight? Do you think that our troops are being taken care of?
I think we'll start seeing the same success in Afghanistan as we did in post surge Iraq. Obama will probally leave most of the Mid East decision making to Bob Gates. And with Petraeus in charge of Central Command things will be fine. No reason for me not to think that the guys there wont be taken care of.

“Freedom is not free”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#62 Apr 3, 2009
Caffeinated wrote:
<quoted text>
Here is the thing...yes, I agree the government over reacted, but the problem started when Randy failed to appear in court..
If you had studied the case you would know they gave Weaver the wrong court date.

He had no idea they were having "court". When he did not show up they had their reason to go after him.

What this was all about was they wanted him to work under cover for them. He basically told them to go to hell.

He committed the crime of "contempt of cop".

These feds think they are God and if you don't bow down to them they will get your ass one way or another.

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