Do you believe in Evolutuion or the B...
Redneck

Las Vegas, NV

#629 Oct 4, 2009
All we are saying is give piece a change...
Redneck

Las Vegas, NV

#630 Oct 4, 2009
For mo social services...unfettered..
Beamsplitter

Calgary, Canada

#631 Oct 4, 2009
saviorself wrote:
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Even Einstein admitted he admired Jesus. And you'll believe what you want to believe, like Einstein did (he believed in God, by the way, deeply)
Quote:
A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty - it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man.(Albert Einstein)

I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.(Albert Einstein, 1954)

I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings.(Albert Einstein)
Redneck

Las Vegas, NV

#632 Oct 4, 2009
Redneck

Las Vegas, NV

#633 Oct 4, 2009
non-profit...

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Since: Nov 08

Norfolk, VA

#634 Oct 4, 2009
unrepentant wrote:
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Oh I love how you reference one work of fictionin support of another.Was Christ born on december 25th? Research why that day was chosen.
To compete with the pagan celebrations of mid-winter, the solstace. The pagans would generally have a wild blow-out on or around that time of year, and attendance at Christian functions around that time would plummet, as people would be nursing great hangovers. So, to be competitive, and to boost the number of butts in the seats during that period, they attributed Christ's birth to that same time-frame.
Now the good little Christians have to come to church to celebrate, if they do not, they are wicked, instead of fun-seeking. It worked great, as no one could cross-reference Jesus' birth certificate.

“Do You Have a Reservation?”

Since: Nov 08

Norfolk, VA

#635 Oct 4, 2009
Follow up:

A more logical time frame for Jesus' birth would be after the harvest time for that region of the world, as (according to the story) Joseph and Mary were travelling to be counted in the census, and to pay their tax. This is generally done when the harvests are complete and an accurate assessment can be made.

Since: Aug 09

Channahon, IL

#636 Oct 4, 2009
saviorself wrote:
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are you really so stupid that you would call your own parents, grandparents, great-great-grand parents, all Muslims, Jews, Christians, Ghandi, Ahmadinijiahd, practically everyone who has ever lived from the time of Jesus forward, a liar? So you have convinced yourself that you and you alone know "the truth" whereas 2000 years of recorded human history that has even been incorporated into every single major monotheistic and even every major multi-theistic religion on the planet is simple "wrong?" Well, there's no unf&%king crazy, I will admit I've always believed that. Even Einstein admitted he admired Jesus. And you'll believe what you want to believe, like Einstein did (he believed in God, by the way, deeply) but good luck with believing that 2000 years of humanity has simply been conspiring against you. I was young and stupid once too, everyone's entitled to it.
Most of the founders of modern physics believed in God. Some felt that their work supported the idea of the existence of God. And yes, they also believed in evolution, of course.

People who aren't able to understand the Bible in any way except as the literal Word of God, unfiltered by the humans who wrote it, are really missing out.

And of course, the fact that the Bible is a product of human effort over many years, written and translated by many hands, does not make it fundamentally untrue. However, literally true? Every word, every story that is told, in the versions of the Bible that we have today? I think not.

But it has more truth in it, than distortions, and some very important truth. It is the record we have of ancient events as understood by the people who kept the history.

The Bible gives us reason and laws, rules of behavior that give life a higher value than it would have otherwise, and it provides us with a way to relate to God. There is a lot of good to be said for religion. It's when people use religion as a political weapon against others that it becomes corrupt and evil.

Oh Jonah he lived in a whale
Oh Jonah he lived in a whale
The man made his home in
That fishes abdomen
Oh Jonah he live in a whale.

Well it ain't necessarily so
No it ain't necessarily so
The things you are liable
To read in the Bible
They ain't necessarily so.

Since: Aug 09

Channahon, IL

#637 Oct 4, 2009
saviorself wrote:
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are you really so stupid that you would call your own parents, grandparents, great-great-grand parents, all Muslims, Jews, Christians, Ghandi, Ahmadinijiahd, practically everyone who has ever lived from the time of Jesus forward, a liar? So you have convinced yourself that you and you alone know "the truth" whereas 2000 years of recorded human history that has even been incorporated into every single major monotheistic and even every major multi-theistic religion on the planet is simple "wrong?" Well, there's no unf&%king crazy, I will admit I've always believed that. Even Einstein admitted he admired Jesus. And you'll believe what you want to believe, like Einstein did (he believed in God, by the way, deeply) but good luck with believing that 2000 years of humanity has simply been conspiring against you. I was young and stupid once too, everyone's entitled to it.
saviorself wrote:
<quoted text>
are you really so stupid that you would call your own parents, grandparents, great-great-grand parents, all Muslims, Jews, Christians, Ghandi, Ahmadinijiahd, practically everyone who has ever lived from the time of Jesus forward, a liar? So you have convinced yourself that you and you alone know "the truth" whereas 2000 years of recorded human history that has even been incorporated into every single major monotheistic and even every major multi-theistic religion on the planet is simple "wrong?" Well, there's no unf&%king crazy, I will admit I've always believed that. Even Einstein admitted he admired Jesus. And you'll believe what you want to believe, like Einstein did (he believed in God, by the way, deeply) but good luck with believing that 2000 years of humanity has simply been conspiring against you. I was young and stupid once too, everyone's entitled to it.
Most of the founders of modern physics believed in God. Some felt that their work supported the idea of the existence of God. And yes, they also believed in evolution, of course.

People who aren't able to understand the Bible in any way except as the literal Word of God, unfiltered by the humans who wrote it, are really missing out.

And of course, the fact that the Bible is a product of human effort over many years, written and translated by many hands, does not make it fundamentally untrue. However, literally true? Every word, every story that is told, in the versions of the Bible that we have today? I think not.

But it has more truth in it, than distortions, and some very important truth. It is the record we have of ancient events as understood by the people who kept the history.

The Bible gives us reason and laws, rules of behavior that give life a higher value than it would have otherwise, and it provides us with a way to relate to God. There is a lot of good to be said for religion. It's when people use religion as a political weapon against others that it becomes corrupt and evil.

Oh Jonah he lived in a whale
Oh Jonah he lived in a whale
The man made his home in
That fishes abdomen
Oh Jonah he live in a whale.

Well it ain't necessarily so
No it ain't necessarily so
The things you are liable
To read in the Bible
They ain't necessarily so.

Since: Aug 09

Channahon, IL

#638 Oct 4, 2009
I apologize for the double posting....topix seemed to crash on me, and the post didn't show up so I posted again ;-O
pop quiz

Auburn, AL

#639 Oct 4, 2009
cala wrote:
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to me evolution makes more sense.
They both make sense. No where does the bible disclaim evolution.
We don't get any indication of how much time elapsed between the time when God created man and all of the creatures of the earth and when He created Adam and Eve. Those two creations are two distinct events. They are discussed in two separate chapters. The first "man" he created were probably the cavemen who did not have souls because God did not breath into their nostrils. However, when He created Adam , He made a man with a spirit in Their likeness.

“ENERGY”

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#640 Oct 4, 2009
Question:

IF FREE WILL EXISTS question in Christian Context,

Two men are equally paired off in a dark alley.

One man evokes FREE WILL to determine he shall live.

The other evokes his FREE WILL to determine to "kill" the other.

What will the outcome be?

“Where is Cookeville?”

Since: Dec 07

Cookeville

#641 Oct 4, 2009
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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Everyone in the past 2000 years that has not found supporting verifiable evidence for what they believe are wrong on an overwhelming basis. This was demonstrated in the failed science of phrenology, all of the extinct religions and increasingly in the failing religions of today like Christianity.
the "supporting evidence" is what still use TODAY, actual CENSUS data (in this case census data of both teh Jewish and Roman citizenry at the time, testimony to the actual existence of the individual that was then documented.) I'm glad you brought up phrenology, you remind me of the mind-set that led people to practice it, insisting that you must be correct because you believe so therefor everyone else must be wrong. Failed religion like Christianity? WRong again, that vast majority of perople (in this country, at least, and every country in the western hemisphere) STILL self-identify as Christians. You buy into a lot of nonsense, but I guess someone who could be convinced that Jesus never existed to begin with can be led to believe anything.

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#642 Oct 4, 2009
saviorself wrote:
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the "supporting evidence" is what still use TODAY, actual CENSUS data (in this case census data of both teh Jewish and Roman citizenry at the time, testimony to the actual existence of the individual that was then documented.) I'm glad you brought up phrenology, you remind me of the mind-set that led people to practice it, insisting that you must be correct because you believe so therefor everyone else must be wrong. Failed religion like Christianity? WRong again, that vast majority of perople (in this country, at least, and every country in the western hemisphere) STILL self-identify as Christians. You buy into a lot of nonsense, but I guess someone who could be convinced that Jesus never existed to begin with can be led to believe anything.
The percentage of Christians in the general population shrinks every year. I find it interesting, there are smaller percentages of Christians with a higher education and IQ level. Perhaps religion is something we humans will out grow as we learn more.

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#643 Oct 4, 2009
saviorself wrote:
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the "supporting evidence" is what still use TODAY, actual CENSUS data (in this case census data of both teh Jewish and Roman citizenry at the time, testimony to the actual existence of the individual that was then documented.) I'm glad you brought up phrenology, you remind me of the mind-set that led people to practice it, insisting that you must be correct because you believe so therefor everyone else must be wrong. Failed religion like Christianity? WRong again, that vast majority of perople (in this country, at least, and every country in the western hemisphere) STILL self-identify as Christians. You buy into a lot of nonsense, but I guess someone who could be convinced that Jesus never existed to begin with can be led to believe anything.
BTW, argument by majority is a logical fallacy. Most people believe cucumbers are vegetables, but that doesn't make them right.

“Don't get me started”

Since: Jul 09

Minneapolis

#644 Oct 4, 2009
saviorself wrote:
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I don't know any rational person who would ever deny the fact of evolution. I know a lot of irrational people who would deny that evolution itself is an engine that serves the purpose of the will of God, but then again, those same irrational individuals can be led to believe that Jesus never actually existed on the planet, so what're you gonna do?
Umm--So what're you gonna do??-- maybe do a little research and find out that there is no mention of Jesus by the Romans or by anyone in his supposed lifetime? Wouldn't that be interesting?

“Don't get me started”

Since: Jul 09

Minneapolis

#645 Oct 4, 2009
saviorself wrote:
<quoted text>
are you really so stupid that you would call your own parents, grandparents, great-great-grand parents, all Muslims, Jews, Christians, Ghandi, Ahmadinijiahd, practically everyone who has ever lived from the time of Jesus forward, a liar? So you have convinced yourself that you and you alone know "the truth" whereas 2000 years of recorded human history that has even been incorporated into every single major monotheistic and even every major multi-theistic religion on the planet is simple "wrong?" Well, there's no unf&%king crazy, I will admit I've always believed that. Even Einstein admitted he admired Jesus. And you'll believe what you want to believe, like Einstein did (he believed in God, by the way, deeply) but good luck with believing that 2000 years of humanity has simply been conspiring against you. I was young and stupid once too, everyone's entitled to it.
Here's a quote from Einstein:
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." (Albert Einstein, 1954) From Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press

There are, of course, a lot of other lies that devout christians tend to spread. When the facts get in the way, you folks tend to change them.

“Don't get me started”

Since: Jul 09

Minneapolis

#646 Oct 4, 2009
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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BTW, argument by majority is a logical fallacy. Most people believe cucumbers are vegetables, but that doesn't make them right.
...Right. And tomatos are not vegies either. It was just a way to avoid paying tax on imported fruit.

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#647 Oct 4, 2009
Gehen mit Genius wrote:
Question:
IF FREE WILL EXISTS question in Christian Context,
Two men are equally paired off in a dark alley.
One man evokes FREE WILL to determine he shall live.
The other evokes his FREE WILL to determine to "kill" the other.
What will the outcome be?
FREE WILLY leaps over a wall and squashes them both?

unrepentant

Since: Sep 09

pickerington

#649 Oct 4, 2009
saviorself wrote:
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an how many Jews, Muslims, Christians, etc., have threatened to kill you today?
You simply can not read ,You are a moron for sure.
I said kill each other,It is time for your medicine stop letting your god talk through ur a*s.

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