False rumors influencing health care debate
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#2 Aug 20, 2009
If you want to see what government health care is like look at the care the American Indians receive under it. They receive care akin to the third world compliments of Uncle Sam. And they have third world diseases and third world life expectancies. If you want the same, go ahead and support Obama's plan. As soon as congress gets something like this passed they'll use the money they save to compensate themselves or their cronies.
“O'er the land of the free ? ”
Since: Jan 09
Don't Tread On Me
#3 Aug 20, 2009
#4 Aug 20, 2009
The worst false rumors are spewing from the Whitehouse and from Obama brown nose goons.
Their biggest lie is that their Marxist Utopia Rationed care will be any better than it is in Canada, England or anywhere else rationed care is tried.
The second biggest lie by our Black Muslim Dictator is that there will be no Death panels when there most certainly will be. Sure they may call them something else like.. Patient Quality And Respect tribunals or the likes but if they deny you care and you die. DEATH PANEL is more accurate.
Dick Morris did some research into Obama's Deathcare bill and learned that a family member of his with a rare condition would not fare well under Obama's DeathCare system.
The life saving drug they must take is terribly expensive and very likely would be turned dy by Obama's Death Panel.
Here is the zinger. If the death Panel rules against approving the drug for the patient that is not the end of it. The patient will also be forbidden from aquiring the drug on their own. They will be prosecuted and punished if they try to save their own life by paying for the drug theirselves.
If the Death Panel rules against you, you are the walking dead. If this is not an evil plan I don't know what is.
“It's about the American People”
Since: Jun 07
#5 Aug 20, 2009
Evidently, false and scary rumors and statements by Obama should worry any America who desired to live after the age of 60. Obama declared yesterday to religious leaders that we "We are God partners in matter of life and death" which means that Obama can make decisions about your death.
Obama also claimed that Americans are your brother's keepers which means that the money of the American people belong to Obamas interest groups like his Unions' hordes of the Democratic Party, Acorn gangsters and the Black poor.
Clearly, the African Muslim born Barack Obama is acting like God about your life and death as American using the famous Obama death teams led by the ideology of Ezekiel and 'dead fish' Chicago mafia Rahm Emanuel brothers. Obama lied about the providing health care to 12-20 million illegal immigrants.
Obama lies to his teeth about 20 millions who refuse to have health insurance because they are young and healthy and use emergency hospital rooms in case of accidents.
Obama lied to his teeth using the public healthcare to encouraging abortion and about financing planed parenthood abortion.
Beware of the African Muslim dictator Obama who hates America and who believes that he is the real 'God on earth' and who endangers your health by delusional Marxist ruled 'death teams' and 'health scare' that will fail like the 'clunker' car deal when Obama did not paid the dealers.
Since: Oct 08
#6 Aug 20, 2009
A story about healthcare lies and the Topix village idiots show up with their typical conspiracy theories.
Hey Church Slave go on and tell us how Obama is Malcolm X's kid. I could use some more laughs.
#7 Aug 20, 2009
NO rebuttal,just personal attacks? Typical.
#8 Aug 20, 2009
That's just wrong!
Malcolm X was impotent.
Or Gay......not sure which.
But those funny bow ties are telling.
Since: Mar 09
The Left Coast
#9 Aug 21, 2009
Here's is what I see. The right is questioning exactly what is in this health care reform bill. There are many questions on the specifics. The left has no specific answers other than we need reform and we need to have it done in a couple months. There is a simple solution, Obama needs to answer the specific questions with specific answers. For example:
Question - Where will the $500 billion in Medicare cuts come from? Answer - We will cut waste and some unnecessary coverage we can determine later.
Question - Can I keep my current health care insurance? Answer - Yes, well maybe, it depends if you move or switch jobs and few other possibilities that can be decided later.
Question - Who pays for the $1.6 trillion cost? Answer - Cost will go down under the government run system so adding another 50 million uninsured to the system will actually make the costs less.
The bottom line is Obama/Pelosi do not have specific answers, they pass this and figure it out later. That is exactly what they did with Indian health care as noted by Richard in post #1. It isn't the far left or far right that is the issue, it is the rest of us.
#10 Aug 21, 2009
The democrats think the republicans are spreading false rumors. That is a joke.
The democrat crooks in government are ripping the public off blind.
Trading government favors for sweetheart loans, then having their fellow senators bury the evidence. Meanwhile other crooks in government like Rangel, Murtha, Pelosi, Waters, Frank, Towns, and Emanuel wait for their little slap on the wrist, for ripping off the public.
State governments like NY are spending millions on bogus jobs for politician friends and relatives with no recourse.
Obama has already pushed almost a trillion dollars in socalled stimulus to his supporters resulting in more debt and more unemployment.
And now they want to control the trillion dollars in healthcare, and anyone who stands in the way of their power play to get rich at our expense is a conspirator or a organized protester.
As bad as the republicans were, the democrats are hundreds of times worse. They are greedy and corrupt and will stop at nothing to get their hands on our tax dollars for personal gain.
They will not hesitate to destroy our healthcare system in order to profit. And they do not care who they hurt in the process.
Obama and the democrats need to be stopped from destroying our country, or our children will be growing up in a banana republic. With a ruling class led by the politicians and the rest of us working in servitude to pay off the government debt.
#11 Aug 21, 2009
There was a segment on Glenn Beck's TV show this week about the Crow Creek and Rosebud Indian Reservations "healthcare." Interestingly most people interviewed said "Get sick before June 1 when the funding runs out." I'm sure you can find this on his website.
#12 Aug 21, 2009
Do they care about you?
Why are Congress Burgess and republicans holding a bill from the American people--PUT IT ALL ON THE TABLE ---STOP PLAYING ELECTION GAMES!---YOU WILL NOT WIN!
ARE REPUBLICANS DOUBLE TALKING TO AMERICANS?
Will the Gang of six health care bill be the finial accepted bill without a public option?
DO THE GANG OF SIX GIVE A FAIR COVERAGE OF ALL AMERICANS OR JUST THE VOTERS IN THEIR STATE?
WHO ARE THE GANG OF SIX LISTENING TO?
WHO ARE IN THE GANG OF SIX MAKING THE DECISION FOR HEALTH CARE REFORM AND HEALTH CARE INSURANCE REFORM?
How was the gang of six selected to make decisions for 50 states?
Americans want to know what laws each senator of the gang of six is putting on the table.
Did a republican suggest the law about old age death communication?
Did Sen. Grassley and other republicans call the law a death panel and blamed the President?
AMERICANS NEED TO KNOW ARE REPUBLICANS AND BIG INSURANCE PLANTING DECEPTION AND CONFUSION?
IS THE GANG OF SIX PRO PRIVATE INSURANCE?
DO THE GANG OF SIX HEALTH CARE PLAN REFORM PRIVATE INSURANCE COMPANIES?
IT'S NOT ABOUT JUST GETTING A HEALTH CARE REFORM BILL DONE.
A GUARANTEE TO GET HEALTH CARE INSURANCE PROGRAMS WITH OUT A PUBLIC OPTION IS NOT HEALTH CARE INSURANCE REFORM!
WHY -- AMERICANS WHO ARE FIGHTING FOR A PUBLIC OPTION DO NOT TRUST PRIVATE INSURANCE COMPANIES?
Health care cooperatives are "not a substitute" for a government-backed alternative.
Public option was the best way to keep the insurance companies honest,
WHO ARE THESE CONSERVATIVE ORGANIZATION THAT WORK WITH PRIVATE INSURANCE COMPANIES AND WHY?
WHERE DO CONSERVATIVE ORGANIZATIONS GET THEIR FUNDING?
WHY DO CONSERVATIVE ORGANIZATIONS WANT TO CONTROL AMERICA HEALTH CARE FUTURE!
In the senate plan will small business or AMERICAN business be penalize if the company cannot afford health care insurance?
Are business required to provide insurance for it's workers?
what percentage of a company budget is health care?
WHAT PERCENTAGE OF HEALTH CARE INSURANCE EAT INTO A COMPANY PROFIT?
Private insurance companies do not want competition.
Will health care insurance make it difficult for other firms to compete in the world?
In the Senate and the Gang of Six which members made the decision not to put the public plan in the health care insurance reform bill?
In the Senate and the Gang of Six which members made the decision not to regulate health care insurance?
In the Senate and the Gang of Six which members made the decision to penalize companies that do not offer coverage?
Why should americans trust Sen. Grassley?
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Since: Mar 09
The Left Coast
#13 Aug 21, 2009
PUT IT ALL ON THE TABLE ---STOP PLAYING ELECTION GAMES!---YOU WILL NOT WIN!
Agreed. The democrats have absolute control of the House of Respresentatives, the Senate and the White House. THEY control the game.(unless they can find a way to blame Bush)
IT'S NOT ABOUT JUST GETTING A HEALTH CARE REFORM BILL DONE.
Yes it is. Or why the major rush to get it done in a couple months?
#14 Aug 21, 2009
No, free market plapce competition is the best way to keep any business honest.
Public option would only lead to eliminating competition in the market place and create a monopoly.
A poorly run, bureaucratic, government run MONOPOLY.
NO choice for the consumer.
You've gotta be kidding me!
There is no end to competition amongst insurance companies.
There are HUNDREDS of them competing for YOUR business in the USA.
Here is a parital list, you can check the web link for the full list.
ACCREDO HEALTH GROUP INC
ADVANCED BIONICS CORPORATION
ADVANCED MEDICAL OPTICS INC
ADVANCED NEUROMODULATION SYSTEMS
ADVENTIST HEALTH SYSTEM
ADVOCATE HEALTH CARE
AETERNA ZENTARIS INC
AKZO NOBEL NV
ALIGN TECHNOLOGY INC
ALLIANCE IMAGING INC
ALLIED HEALTHCARE INTERNATIONAL INC
ALLINA HOSPITALS AND CLINICS
ALLSCRIPTS HEALTHCARE SOLUTIONS INC
AMERICA SERVICE GROUP INC
AMERICAN HOMEPATIENT INC
AMERICAN MEDICAL SYSTEMS HOLDINGS INC
ANSELL LIMITED COMPANY
APPLIED BIOSYSTEMS INC
APRIA HEALTHCARE GROUP INC
ARKANSAS BLUE CROSS AND BLUE SHIELD
ART ADVANCED RESEARCH TECHNOLOGIES
ASPECT MEDICAL SYSTEMS INC
ASTELLAS PHARMA INC
ATC HEALTHCARE INC
ATRIA SENIOR LIVING GROUP
ATS AUTOMATION TOOLING SYSTEMS INC
ATS MEDICAL INC
AVMED HEALTH PLAN
AXA PPP HEALTHCARE
Since: Oct 08
#15 Aug 21, 2009
Church Slave and Jones have already proven themselves to be too mentally unstable to refute, most people on both sides think they're idiots.
#17 Aug 21, 2009
You brown nosed obama lovers think that Rationed Obama care will be better than what you have now.
Do you live under a bridge? Do you not have health insurance? Perhaps if you played on Topix less and worked more you could afford your own healthcare.
Obama= Death for millions of Americans, loss of freedom and Marxism.
#18 Aug 21, 2009
Read the bill do something our reps haven't done
*Obama Administrations Health Care Plan*
HR 3200 < http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdo... ; currently under consideration in the House of Representatives
Reviewed, revised and adapted on July 29, 2009, by Liberty Counsel from the original authored by Peter Fleckenstein
* Sec. 113, Pg. 21-22 of the Health Care (HC) Bill MANDATES a
government audit of the books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self-insure in
order to ensure that the law does not provide incentives for
small and mid-size employers to self-insure!
* Sec. 122, Pg. 29, Lines 4-16 - YOUR HEALTH CARE WILL BE RATIONED!
* Sec. 123, Pg. 30 - THERE WILL BE A GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE deciding
what treatments and benefits you get.
* Sec. 142, Pg. 42 - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose
your benefits for you. You have no choice!
* Sec. 152, Pg. 50-51 - HC will be provided to ALL NON-US citizens.
* Sec. 163, Pg. 58-59 beginning at line 5 - Government will have
real-time access to individuals finances & a National ID health
care card will be issued!
* Sec. 163, Pg. 59, Lines 21-24 - Government will have direct access
to your bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
#19 Aug 21, 2009
* Sec. 164, Pg. 65 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and
their families in unions & community organizations (ACORN).
* Sec. 201, Pg. 72, Lines 8-14 - Government is creating an HC
Exchange to bring private plans under government control.
* Sec. 203, Pg. 84 - Government mandates ALL benefit packages for
private Health Care plans in the exchange.
* Sec. 203, Pg. 85, Line 7 - Specifications of benefit levels for
plans means that the government will define your HC plan and has
the ability to ration your health care!
* Sec. 205, Pg. 95, Lines 8-18 - The government will use groups
(i.e., ACORN & AmeriCorps) to inform and educate(sign up)
individuals for government plan.
* Sec. 205, Pg. 102, Lines 12-18 - Medicaid-eligible individuals
will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No freedom to choose.
* Sec. 223, Pg. 124, Lines 24-25 - No company can sue the government
for price-fixing. No administrative of judicial review against a
* Sec. 225, Pg. 127, Lines 1-16 - Doctors the government will tell
YOU what you can make.The Secretary shall provide for the annual
participation of physicians under the public health insurance
option, for which payment may be made for services furnished
during the year.
* Sec. 312, Pg. 145, Lines 15-17 - Employers MUST auto-enroll
employees into public option plan.
* Sec. 313, Pg. 149, Lines 16-23 - ANY employer with payroll
$400,000 and above who does not provide public option pays 8% tax
on all payroll.
#20 Aug 21, 2009
* Sec. 313, Pg. 150, Lines 9-13 - Businesses with payroll between
$251,000 and $400,000 who do not provide public option pay 2-6%
tax on all payroll.**
* Sec. 401.59B, Pg. 167, Lines 18-23 - ANY individual who does not
have acceptable care, according to government, will be taxed 2.5%
* Sec. 59B, Pg. 170, Line 1 - Any NONRESIDENT alien is exempt from
individual taxes.(Americans will pay for their health care.)
* Sec. 431, Pg. 195, Lines 1-3 - Officers and employees of HC
Administration (government) will have access to ALL Americans
financial and personal records.
* Sec. 441, Pg. 203, Lines 14-15 -The tax imposed under this
section shall not be treated as tax. Yes, it says that.
* Sec. 1121, Pg. 239, Lines 14-24 - The government will limit and
reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income and
poor are the ones affected.
* Sec. 1121, Pg. 241, Lines 6-8 - Doctors, it does not matter what
specialty you have; youll all be paid the same.Service
categories established under this paragraph shall apply without
regard to the specialty of the physician furnishing the service.
* Sec. 1122, Pg. 253, Lines 10-23 - The government validates work
relative value units(sets value of doctors time), professional
judgment, methods etc.(defining the value of humans).
* Sec. 1131, Pg. 265 - Government mandates and controls productivity
for private HC industries.Incorporating Productivity
Improvements into Market Basket Updates that Do Not Already
Incorporate Such Improvements.
* Sec. 1141, Pg. 268 - The government regulates rental and purchase
of power-driven wheelchairs.
#21 Aug 21, 2009
* Sec. 1145, Pg. 272 - Treatment of certain cancer hospitals: Cancer
patients and their treatment are open to rationing!
* Sec. 1151, Pg. 280 - The government will penalize hospitals for
what government deems preventable readmissions (incentives for
hospital to not treat and release).
* Sec. 1151, Pg. 298, Lines 9-11 - Doctors, treat a patient during
initial admission that results in a readmission and the government
will penalize you for that action.
* Sec. 1156, Pg. 317, Lines 13-20 -PROHIBITION on physician
ownership or Investment. Government tells doctors what/how much
they can own.
* Sec. 1156, Pg. 317-318, Lines 21-25, 1-3 -PROHIBITION on
Expansion of Facility Capacity. The government will mandate that
hospitals cannot expand (number of operating rooms or beds).
* Sec. 1156, Pg. 321, Lines 2-13 - Hospitals have opportunity to
apply for exception BUT community input required.
* Sec. 1162, Pg. 335-339, Lines 16-25 - The government mandates
establishment of outcome-based measures. Rationing.
* Sec. 1162, Pg. 341, Lines 3-9 - The government has authority to
disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans (Part B), HMOs, etc. This will
force people into a government plan.The Secretary may determine
not to identify a Medicare Advantage plan if the Secretary has
identified deficiencies in the plans compliance with rules for
such plans under this part.
* Sec. 1177, Pg. 354 - Government will RESTRICT enrollment of
special needs people!Extension of Authority of Special Needs
Plans to Restrict Enrollment.
* Sec. 1191, Pg. 379 - Government creates more bureaucracy
Telehealth Advisory Committee. HC by phone or the Internet
dial 1 for your health care advice?
#22 Aug 21, 2009
* Sec. 1233, Pg. 425, Lines 4-12 - Government mandates Advance
(Death) Care Planning consultation. Think Senior Citizens and end
of life. END-OF-LIFE COUNSELING. SOME IN THE ADMINISTRATION HAVE
ALREADY DISCUSSED RATIONING HEALTH CARE FOR THE ELDERLY.
* Sec. 1233, Pg. 425, Lines 17-19 - Government WILL instruct and
consult regarding living wills and durable powers of attorney.
Mandatory end-of-life planning!
* Sec. 1233, Pg. 425-426, Lines 22-25, 1-3 - Government provides
approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
* Sec. 1233, Pg. 427, Lines 15-24 - Government mandates program for
orders for life-sustaining treatment (i.e. end of life). The
government has a say in how your life ends.
* Sec. 1233, Pg. 429, Lines 1-9 - An advanced care planning
consult will be used as patients health deteriorates.
* Sec. 1233, Pg. 429, Lines 10-12 -Advanced Care Consultation may
include an ORDER for end-of-life plans - from the government.
* Sec. 1233, Pg. 429, Lines 13-25 - The government will specify
which Doctors (professional authority under state law includes
Nurse Practitioners or Physicians Assistants) can write an
* Sec. 1233, Pg. 430, Lines 11-15 - The government will decide what
level of treatment you will have at end of life, according to
preset methods (not individually decided).
* Sec. 1302, Pg. 468, Lines 16-21 -Community-Based Home Medical
Services means a nonprofit community-based or state-based
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