Media Bias on the Zimmerman, Martin Case

Since: Nov 12

Sacramento, CA

#1221 Jul 21, 2013
TheRealDeal wrote:
YOU SAID...
<quoted text>

If we as a society do not address the real issues and keep putting bandaids on the scratch, then the hemorrhage will never be fixed!
Your liberal, tree-hugging, we are the world, head in the sand type of thinking, is what is hurting this society, and continuing to damage race relations.
By you pointing fingers at a whole race as the problem, I don't think that is solving much. It's adds more flame to the fire. I'm not liberal, I don't tree hug. You are damaging race relations. You offer no solutions. I do. Birth control for welfare.
TheRealDeal

Farmington, MI

#1222 Jul 21, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks for bringing that up, I agree we need to change things in our courts. Blacks get longer sentences compared to the lighter skin males.
Proof...oh wait...none?

LOL you are a joke!
TheRealDeal

Farmington, MI

#1223 Jul 21, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>JuJu said : "you blacks" So someone calling me Black might give an ashit what color I am.
And like I said...regardless of your color, you are wrong!

Nothing new there!
TheRealDeal

Farmington, MI

#1224 Jul 21, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>By you pointing fingers at a whole race as the problem, I don't think that is solving much. It's adds more flame to the fire. I'm not liberal, I don't tree hug. You are damaging race relations. You offer no solutions. I do. Birth control for welfare.
So ignoring the obvious, is like when you go to the doctor and he treats you for an ingrown toenail when you have an aneurysm in your brain?

You exemplify everything that is failed in this country relative to this issue...you ignore the root of the issues, you deny realities and statistically obvious issues, you believe the issues are completely wrong things...and you act like a tree hugging mamby pambsy who lives in some other universe!
You certainly have tipped your hand relative to your agenda on gun control and lack of respect for the constitution.

Your a person who "normal" people see as someone that is more about defending the rights of criminals and ignoring the victims!

Your kind are the real danger in society

Since: Nov 12

Sacramento, CA

#1225 Jul 21, 2013
TheRealDeal wrote:
<quoted text>Proof...oh wait...none?
LOL you are a joke!
Here is proof, you are the JOKE!!!

According to a new study by the U.S. Sentencing Commission, prison sentences handed out to black men in the past seven years have been almost 20% longer than sentences given to white men for the same crimes. From the WSJ:

In the two years after the [2005 US v Booker ruling, which gave federal judges more discretion in sentencing], sentences of blacks were on average 15.2% longer than the sentences of similarly situated whites, according to the Sentencing Commission report. Between December 2007 and September 2011, the most recent period covered in the report, sentences of black males were 19.5% longer than those for whites. The analysis also found that black males were 25% less likely than whites in the same period to receive a sentence below the guidelines' range.
Knock off purse seller

Denver, CO

#1226 Jul 21, 2013
Jeff Ulmer, a sociology professor at Pennsylvania State University, described the commission's latest report as an improvement but said it was "a long way from proving that [judicial discretion] has caused greater black-white federal sentencing disparity.

Statistics alone - particularly if ALL possible factors are not among the data points in it - can only show correlation, not causation. In other they can only show a correlation between some data points that occur in the same events, they cannot show why, they cannot show cause.

The real answers lie in the meaning of and the study's meaning of "longer than the sentences of similarly situated whites", with particular emphasis on "similarly situated" whites.

If ALL matters that can come up in trial - all matters a judge may take into consideration when determining a sentence - and thrown into the analysis, there is a 50-50 chance that factors exposed in trial that a judge may consider in sentencing account as much as anything else for the statistical differences by race, and could (COULD)- 50-50 - account for the differences.

Without ALL necessary data points to make that determination, an honest statistician would have to say in conclusion that "more data is needed".

“John 3:16”

Since: Sep 09

Location hidden

#1227 Jul 21, 2013
http://www.decodedscience.com/roderick-scott-...

Roderick Scott: The ‘Black George Zimmerman’ Acquitted of Murder in 2009

JULY 21, 2013 BY ARTHUR WEINREB 1 COMMENT

Roderick Scott, acquitted of killing 17-year-old white teen Christopher Cervini. How similar was this case to the George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin case? Photo: Greece New York Police mug shot
Roderick Scott, an African American man, shot and killed Christopher Cervini, 17-year-old white youth, in 2009.

Scott faced a charge of first-degree manslaughter, and claimed he shot the teen in self defense.
Scott was subsequently acquitted.
All this happened in New York State, which, even back then, had much tougher gun and self defense laws than the state of Florida has.

What are the legal similarities and differences between this case and the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman case?
Three Teens Breaking into Cars
During the early morning hours of April 4, 2009, 42-year-old Roderick Scott was asleep on the couch of his Greece, New York home, just outside of Rochester. He was awakened by some noise outside.
Scott looked out the window and saw three teens attempting to break into his car. He grabbed his gun, for which he had a legal permit, put it in his waistband and told his girlfriend to call 911 before going outside.

When Scott went out, he confronted the youths, who were going through a neighbor’s car. According to Scott, he told them to stop and wait for the police. The incident ended after Scott fired two shots at Christopher Cervini, killing him.
What Happened? Accounts Differ
According to 15-year-old James Cervini, one of the three, and Christopher’s cousin, Scott shot Christopher after the teen yelled,“Please don’t shoot me, I’m just a kid.” Scott, who testified in his own defense, said he only fired after Christopher came running at him in a threatening manner.

Scott’s attorney, James Parrinello, argued it was likely Christopher went at Scott to give James a chance to get away. James was already bound by two probation orders and the consequences of being charged with breaking into cars would have been more serious for him.

Scott Originally Charged with Murder
Unlike George Zimmerman, Scott was immediately arrested after the shooting and charged with murder. A grand jury later reduced the charge to first-degree manslaughter. The jury deliberated for about 19 hours before rendering a verdict of not guilty on December 18, 2009.

“Rainbow: God's covenant ”

Since: May 07

Clearwater, FL

#1228 Jul 21, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Who are you speaking to? "you blacks". Who here are you speaking to? Why can't you look at people as human beings?
Why can't President Obama? I know he can but its clear he won't. Sad.
Hans Dellbrook

Vacaville, CA

#1229 Jul 22, 2013
The_SCOOP wrote:
http://www.decodedscience.com/ roderick-scott-the-black-georg e-zimmerman-acquitted-of-murde r/33569
Roderick Scott: The ‘Black George Zimmerman’ Acquitted of Murder in 2009
White killed by a black? Media don't care. Happens every day. Move on. Nothing to see here.....

Since: Nov 12

Camptonville, CA

#1230 Jul 22, 2013
The_SCOOP wrote:
http://www.decodedscience.com/ roderick-scott-the-black-georg e-zimmerman-acquitted-of-murde r/33569
Roderick Scott: The ‘Black George Zimmerman’ Acquitted of Murder in 2009
JULY 21, 2013 BY ARTHUR WEINREB 1 COMMENT
Roderick Scott, acquitted of killing 17-year-old white teen Christopher Cervini. How similar was this case to the George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin case? Photo: Greece New York Police mug shot
Roderick Scott, an African American man, shot and killed Christopher Cervini, 17-year-old white youth, in 2009.
Scott faced a charge of first-degree manslaughter, and claimed he shot the teen in self defense.
Scott was subsequently acquitted.
All this happened in New York State, which, even back then, had much tougher gun and self defense laws than the state of Florida has.
What are the legal similarities and differences between this case and the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman case?
Three Teens Breaking into Cars
During the early morning hours of April 4, 2009, 42-year-old Roderick Scott was asleep on the couch of his Greece, New York home, just outside of Rochester. He was awakened by some noise outside.
Scott looked out the window and saw three teens attempting to break into his car. He grabbed his gun, for which he had a legal permit, put it in his waistband and told his girlfriend to call 911 before going outside.
When Scott went out, he confronted the youths, who were going through a neighbor’s car. According to Scott, he told them to stop and wait for the police. The incident ended after Scott fired two shots at Christopher Cervini, killing him.
What Happened? Accounts Differ
According to 15-year-old James Cervini, one of the three, and Christopher’s cousin, Scott shot Christopher after the teen yelled,“Please don’t shoot me, I’m just a kid.” Scott, who testified in his own defense, said he only fired after Christopher came running at him in a threatening manner.
Scott’s attorney, James Parrinello, argued it was likely Christopher went at Scott to give James a chance to get away. James was already bound by two probation orders and the consequences of being charged with breaking into cars would have been more serious for him.
Scott Originally Charged with Murder
Unlike George Zimmerman, Scott was immediately arrested after the shooting and charged with murder. A grand jury later reduced the charge to first-degree manslaughter. The jury deliberated for about 19 hours before rendering a verdict of not guilty on December 18, 2009.
Are you actually saying that case is similar to Zimmerman's? Why because of the skin tones, you might be a racist.

Since: Nov 12

Camptonville, CA

#1231 Jul 22, 2013
Hans Dellbrook wrote:
<quoted text>White killed by a black? Media don't care. Happens every day. Move on. Nothing to see here.....
How is that similar? Scott looked out the window and saw three teens attempting to break into his car. Did Zimmerthug see a crime being committed? Unlike George Zimmerman, Scott was immediately arrested after the shooting and charged with murder. Skin color? Three boys who happened to be white, were up to no good. One died, one had a record. When you trespass onto someone else's property, you have crossed a line that puts you in danger. Martin was not trespassing.
Bill

Studio City, CA

#1233 Jul 22, 2013
George Zimmerman Emerged From Hiding for Truck Crash Rescue
July 22, 2013

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-eme...
Besara

Des Moines, IA

#1234 Jul 22, 2013
Bill wrote:
George Zimmerman Emerged From Hiding for Truck Crash Rescue
July 22, 2013
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-eme...
More high tech lynching of Zimmerman.
Besara

Des Moines, IA

#1235 Jul 22, 2013
factologist wrote:
<quoted text>And like I said...regardless of your color, you are wrong!
Nothing new there!
Hey facto, you're vet called. Your overdue for your rabies vaccination.

Since: Nov 12

Camptonville, CA

#1236 Jul 22, 2013
Bill wrote:
George Zimmerman Emerged From Hiding for Truck Crash Rescue
July 22, 2013
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-eme...
Off Topic, who cares, was it a set up?

Since: Nov 12

Camptonville, CA

#1237 Jul 22, 2013
I think he seen an opportunity to help clear his name and he took it...
Bill

Studio City, CA

#1238 Jul 22, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
I think he seen an opportunity to help clear his name and he took it...
George Zimmerman is a hero who saved two adults and two children from a burning over-turned vehicle. George Zimmerman is the kind of guy who would protect his neighborhood by doing neighborhood watch, and he is the kind of guy who would save people from a burning vehicle. It all goes to show the good character that George Zimmerman has, he is a good man, and he is a good member of his community.

Since: Nov 12

Camptonville, CA

#1239 Jul 22, 2013
Bill wrote:
<quoted text>
George Zimmerman is a hero who saved two adults and two children from a burning over-turned vehicle. George Zimmerman is the kind of guy who would protect his neighborhood by doing neighborhood watch, and he is the kind of guy who would save people from a burning vehicle. It all goes to show the good character that George Zimmerman has, he is a good man, and he is a good member of his community.
The car was on fire? Does he have burns? Was he taken to the hospital and treated for burns? NO: The report states that Zimmerman was not a witness to the crash, and left after making contact with the responding deputy. Big deal he was there after a car wreck. WOW what a superman....LOL....now what does this have to do with the martin case?

Zimmerman made the decision that Trayvon Martin was not his "neighbor," and therefore he was at liberty to deal with him in a way that was justified. How might it have been different if Zimmerman had decided otherwise, that Trayvon Martin was indeed his neighbor? Or was George Zimmerman predisposed by the position that he held to determine that any unfamiliar individual was not his neighbor?

The fact is that there was a confrontation between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin. What tears at my heart and soul this day is why that confrontation even occurred. Why? Because one man, acting alone, made the determination that another man was not his neighbor. I wonder how George Zimmerman feels now about having made that determination.

Since: Nov 12

Ashburn, VA

#1240 Jul 22, 2013
The_SCOOP wrote:
http://www.decodedscience.com/ roderick-scott-the-black-georg e-zimmerman-acquitted-of-murde r/33569
Roderick Scott: The ‘Black George Zimmerman’ Acquitted of Murder in 2009
JULY 21, 2013 BY ARTHUR WEINREB 1 COMMENT
Roderick Scott, acquitted of killing 17-year-old white teen Christopher Cervini. How similar was this case to the George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin case? Photo: Greece New York Police mug shot
Roderick Scott, an African American man, shot and killed Christopher Cervini, 17-year-old white youth, in 2009.
Scott faced a charge of first-degree manslaughter, and claimed he shot the teen in self defense.
Scott was subsequently acquitted.
All this happened in New York State, which, even back then, had much tougher gun and self defense laws than the state of Florida has.
What are the legal similarities and differences between this case and the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman case?
Three Teens Breaking into Cars
During the early morning hours of April 4, 2009, 42-year-old Roderick Scott was asleep on the couch of his Greece, New York home, just outside of Rochester. He was awakened by some noise outside.
Scott looked out the window and saw three teens attempting to break into his car. He grabbed his gun, for which he had a legal permit, put it in his waistband and told his girlfriend to call 911 before going outside.
When Scott went out, he confronted the youths, who were going through a neighbor’s car. According to Scott, he told them to stop and wait for the police. The incident ended after Scott fired two shots at Christopher Cervini, killing him.
What Happened? Accounts Differ
According to 15-year-old James Cervini, one of the three, and Christopher’s cousin, Scott shot Christopher after the teen yelled,“Please don’t shoot me, I’m just a kid.” Scott, who testified in his own defense, said he only fired after Christopher came running at him in a threatening manner.
Scott’s attorney, James Parrinello, argued it was likely Christopher went at Scott to give James a chance to get away. James was already bound by two probation orders and the consequences of being charged with breaking into cars would have been more serious for him.
Scott Originally Charged with Murder
Unlike George Zimmerman, Scott was immediately arrested after the shooting and charged with murder. A grand jury later reduced the charge to first-degree manslaughter. The jury deliberated for about 19 hours before rendering a verdict of not guilty on December 18, 2009.
Jesus said to love your neighbor not kill them

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Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#1241 Jul 23, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>How is that similar? Scott looked out the window and saw three teens attempting to break into his car. Did Zimmerthug see a crime being committed? Unlike George Zimmerman, Scott was immediately arrested after the shooting and charged with murder. Skin color? Three boys who happened to be white, were up to no good. One died, one had a record. When you trespass onto someone else's property, you have crossed a line that puts you in danger. Martin was not trespassing.
Thanks for breaking down the differences.
They love to lump together and pretend that they are related.

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