Media Bias on the Zimmerman, Martin Case

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#318 Jul 18, 2012
realitycheck wrote:
<quoted text>So? They have had a problem with black punks in their neighborhood. Maybe TM's dad is the head of that ring. No doubt he knew this kids was trouble. The kid was visibly bothered he was being watched. Wonder why? He was more than likely 'up to no good' which was exactly what GZ suspected. Can you provide me with the place you got information on how far he walked to get the address? Remember, he was meeting police by the back gates and had to walk to get the nearest address. Nothing sinister about that. Keep trying.
No proof at all of Trayvon being "up to no good." None.

Creeps who follow kids around are creepy.

According to Zimmerman he first spotted him at a point (visible on any of the maps available) maybe half a block to a block from the club house. Zimmerman saw him and drove to the club house, where he parked to call police. You can see this on the video with the police as he walks them through the crime. While parked there, talking to the dispatcher Trayvon approached and passed Zimmerman (at a later point I believe he added a detail that Trayvon circled the vehicle--not sure that holds up timewise). As Trayvon continue on his way home, Zimmerman, still in the vehicle followed him about another half to a whole block, following a curve. Zimmerman says that he did so because the dispatcher wanted him to keep Trayvon in his sight (the audio does not confirm this). Then he parked the vehicle and pursued Trayvon.

So, from Trayvon's perspective, guy in a truck eyes him, drives slowly down the street and parks. When Trayvon passes the truck, it follows him. When he starts to run, the guy hops out of the vehicle to follow him. Now that is creepy.

From this point, perhaps he ducked between houses to get out of sightline of the creepy guy following him, coming out when he thought it was safe, only to have Zimmerman appear again. Maybe he overshot the dogwalk and came back to it, thinking himself safe. Maybe his sense of direction was confused by being in an unfamiliar place where rows of houses all look alike. These are not questions we are likely to have an answer to--Trayvon being dead and all.

What makes very little sense would be for Trayvon to lay in ambush for the creepy guy who was following him in order to jump him.

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#319 Jul 18, 2012
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
Reality doesn't seem to live in the real world.
Or at least in the mind of a Zimmerman supporter.

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#320 Jul 18, 2012
realitycheck wrote:
<quoted text>We can follow them with our eyes for quite some time depending on the circumstances. Since we know Z wasn't running during the phone conversation,.
You are dumb, Zimmerman admitted to the police that he got out of his car to follow trayvon after the dude started running. Zimmerman:

Yeah. You go in straight through the entrance and then you would go left. You go straight in, don’t turn and make a left.

He’s running.[2:08]

911 dispatcher:

He’s running? Which way is he running?

Zimmerman:

Down toward the other entrance of the neighborhood.[2:14]

911 dispatcher:

OK, which entrance is that he’s headed towards?

Zimmerman:

The back entrance.

[It sounds like Zimmerman says under his breath,‘F-ing coons’ at 2:22]

NOTE:
&#9632;[Listen here at 1:17 for CNN's edited frame]
&#9632;

911 dispatcher:

Are you following him?[2:24]

Zimmerman:

Yeah.[2:25]

911 dispatcher:

OK.

We don’t need you to do that.[2:26]
Sir Doctor

Montréal, Canada

#321 Jul 18, 2012
Carlos wrote:
I have friends who do Neighborhood Watch in my neighborhood in Pasadena who carry guns, and they follow suspicious people and report them to the police, and they also walk up to strangers in our neighborhood and ask them questions. We have talked about this case. I really appreciate the people who do Neighborhood Watch in my neighborhood, and if I had time I would join in and help my neighborhood too, but I am always busy working, my house is expensive and I have to work hard to be able to afford to live in my neighborhood, and I have a family to support. The Neighborhood Watch in my neighborhood is a good program, and I am grateful to have good people helping to watch and protect my neighborhood.
Hey smart guy, I live in Sherman Oaks, Ca. and we have a neighborhood watch. Guess what, racist fool, no one from your neighborhood belongs to our neighborhood watch. The point, racist KKK fool, is this, Zimmerboy did not belong to the neighborhood, nobody hired him and all the neighbors say they knew nothing of his racist antics.

Maybe, while Zimmerboy is out on bail, he can come to your neighborhood and shoot your 6 year old daughter in the head, on suspicion of playing in the yard without him. Yes, your hero, Zimmerboy is a pedophile.
realitycheck

Carmel, IN

#322 Jul 19, 2012
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
No proof at all of Trayvon being "up to no good." None.
Creeps who follow kids around are creepy.
According to Zimmerman he first spotted him at a point (visible on any of the maps available) maybe half a block to a block from the club house. Zimmerman saw him and drove to the club house, where he parked to call police. You can see this on the video with the police as he walks them through the crime. While parked there, talking to the dispatcher Trayvon approached and passed Zimmerman (at a later point I believe he added a detail that Trayvon circled the vehicle--not sure that holds up timewise). As Trayvon continue on his way home, Zimmerman, still in the vehicle followed him about another half to a whole block, following a curve. Zimmerman says that he did so because the dispatcher wanted him to keep Trayvon in his sight (the audio does not confirm this). Then he parked the vehicle and pursued Trayvon.
So, from Trayvon's perspective, guy in a truck eyes him, drives slowly down the street and parks. When Trayvon passes the truck, it follows him. When he starts to run, the guy hops out of the vehicle to follow him. Now that is creepy.
From this point, perhaps he ducked between houses to get out of sightline of the creepy guy following him, coming out when he thought it was safe, only to have Zimmerman appear again. Maybe he overshot the dogwalk and came back to it, thinking himself safe. Maybe his sense of direction was confused by being in an unfamiliar place where rows of houses all look alike. These are not questions we are likely to have an answer to--Trayvon being dead and all.
What makes very little sense would be for Trayvon to lay in ambush for the creepy guy who was following him in order to jump him.
Creeps who wear hoodies inside stores are suspicious acting. People have a good reason to keep an eye on them. If Z did say the dispatcher told him to follow, I'm sure Z thought he did or assumed he wanted him to in order to give the dispatcher the details he was asking. You can pick apart what innocent people say every day and it doesn't mean they are guilty. Zimmerman is not careful with how he selects his words which tells me less likely to have a criminal mind. If he were so calculating, we would see this play out in his interviews. He's not very bright which doesn't help him in such a high profile case. I haven't seen any information about GZ following TM in his car but I did hear the tape. GZ was following for only a few seconds so he was clearly not stalking or doing anything aggressive. He was providing information for the police so they would be able to locate and question TM when they arrived. Clearly, GZ had no interest in confronting TM which is why the charges are bogus. Unless this prosecuter has something that hasn't been revealed, there is no evidence to support the charges. Frankly, she should be sued for malicious prosecution.

TM was walking between the houses when GZ saw him. His demeanor gave Zimmerman reason to call authorities. TM had his hoodie up INSIDE a store which was very suspicious. He was weaving around like he was on something in that video which support Z's concerns.

TM's parents are great actors. They didn't give two shts about their son when he was alive. They let him run wild without any interest in where he was.. Mommy dearest shipped him off to serve his two week suspension with loser daddy dearest who didn't bother to even supervise him. Daddy dearest lied to police about when he last saw his son. Makes you wonder why. Mommy and Daddy didn't want to inconvienience themselves which was why they let their thug prowl around neighborhoods rather than disciplining him for being suspended for a week. Let society deal with their criminal because they didn't want the responsibility. Now that he's dead....oh they are soooo sad....all the way to the bank.
realitycheck

Carmel, IN

#323 Jul 19, 2012
emperorjohn wrote:
<quoted text> You are dumb, Zimmerman admitted to the police that he got out of his car to follow trayvon after the dude started running. Zimmerman:
Yeah. You go in straight through the entrance and then you would go left. You go straight in, don’t turn and make a left.
He’s running.[2:08]
911 dispatcher:
He’s running? Which way is he running?
Zimmerman:
Down toward the other entrance of the neighborhood.[2:14]
911 dispatcher:
OK, which entrance is that he’s headed towards?
Zimmerman:
The back entrance.
[It sounds like Zimmerman says under his breath,‘F-ing coons’ at 2:22]
NOTE:
&#9632;[Listen here at 1:17 for CNN's edited frame]
&#9632;
911 dispatcher:
Are you following him?[2:24]
Zimmerman:
Yeah.[2:25]
911 dispatcher:
OK.
We don’t need you to do that.[2:26]
Well you certainly can identify with stupid. GZ followed TM only for a few seconds and then stopped. GZ was not running as you could tell by his breathing. He was walking and the wind was blowing. You could also tell when he stopped. He didn't say coons....that was the liberal media trying to influence the stupid....like yourself. TM had every opportunity to go home, contact neighbors, police etc. if he was afraid of Z but it looks like TM was doing the intimidating. You could tell Z was a little worried about TM's confrontational demeanor. Many in the black community are trying to exploit this situation for political gain. It may backfire. Many white people are waking up and realizing they are not going to continue to be victimized any more by blacks. They are going to start defending themselves against these criminals once and for all.
realitycheck

Carmel, IN

#324 Jul 19, 2012
Sir Doctor wrote:
<quoted text>Hey smart guy, I live in Sherman Oaks, Ca. and we have a neighborhood watch. Guess what, racist fool, no one from your neighborhood belongs to our neighborhood watch. The point, racist KKK fool, is this, Zimmerboy did not belong to the neighborhood, nobody hired him and all the neighbors say they knew nothing of his racist antics.
Maybe, while Zimmerboy is out on bail, he can come to your neighborhood and shoot your 6 year old daughter in the head, on suspicion of playing in the yard without him. Yes, your hero, Zimmerboy is a pedophile.
Oh sure you live in CA....didn't you mean to say Canada? Your comments are typicial of the ignorant gullibles who believe everything the liberal media tells them.
realitycheck

Carmel, IN

#325 Jul 19, 2012
Zimmerman does not appear to be a very smart person which will not be in his best interests.I don't think GZ understands completely the impact of his words. His attorney did a poor job preparing him for the interview which again supports my concerns about GZ not having quality representation. For example, during the interview, he did not say he wished he could have changed the outcome of the night(something like that) He felt it was all in God's plan. This could be interpreted any number of ways and not to GZ's advantage. The prosecuter can taste his blood which could be why she thinks he will be easy to railroad. She's right.

GZ has to be angry that TM attacked him, forcing him to shoot....and thus putting him on this public stage. Because of the actions of the thug, Z's life is changed forever.

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#326 Jul 19, 2012
realitycheck wrote:
<quoted text>
Creeps who wear hoodies inside stores are suspicious acting. People have a good reason to keep an eye on them. If Z did say the dispatcher told him to follow, I'm sure Z thought he did or assumed he wanted him to in order to give the dispatcher the details he was asking. You can pick apart what innocent people say every day and it doesn't mean they are guilty. Zimmerman is not careful with how he selects his words which tells me less likely to have a criminal mind. If he were so calculating, we would see this play out in his interviews. He's not very bright which doesn't help him in such a high profile case. I haven't seen any information about GZ following TM in his car but I did hear the tape. GZ was following for only a few seconds so he was clearly not stalking or doing anything aggressive. He was providing information for the police so they would be able to locate and question TM when they arrived. Clearly, GZ had no interest in confronting TM which is why the charges are bogus. Unless this prosecuter has something that hasn't been revealed, there is no evidence to support the charges. Frankly, she should be sued for malicious prosecution.
TM was walking between the houses when GZ saw him. His demeanor gave Zimmerman reason to call authorities. TM had his hoodie up INSIDE a store which was very suspicious. He was weaving around like he was on something in that video which support Z's concerns.
TM's parents are great actors. They didn't give two shts about their son when he was alive. They let him run wild without any interest in where he was.. Mommy dearest shipped him off to serve his two week suspension with loser daddy dearest who didn't bother to even supervise him. Daddy dearest lied to police about when he last saw his son. Makes you wonder why. Mommy and Daddy didn't want to inconvienience themselves which was why they let their thug prowl around neighborhoods rather than disciplining him for being suspended for a week. Let society deal with their criminal because they didn't want the responsibility. Now that he's dead....oh they are soooo sad....all the way to the bank.
Unreality--you clearly are highly committed to what you prefer to believe and will cling to it despite all evidence to the contrary. Wearing a hoodie in a store means nothing more than that the person is wearing a hoodie in a store. A gentleman wearing a fedora might not bother to remove it on entering a 7-11, even though he might when entering someone's residence.

There is a simple explanation for walking between the houses. This was a popular passthrough for young people, particularly after the gates closed at 7 PM.

For a complete breakdown of exactly what Zimmerman said he did (including the movement from where he first saw Trayvon, to the clubhouse--where Trayvon walked past, to the street where he parked his vehicle before following Trayvon on foot) watch the complete police video which can be found here: http://my.firedoglake.com/mason/2012/06/21/zi... .

Also contained there is an analysis of how Zimmerman's story compares to available evidence.

You are likely not interested--you seem to be set on believing that Trayvon and his entire family were simply bad people deserving to be shot on sight. But others might appreciate looking at facts.

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#327 Jul 19, 2012
Here is another analysis, based on evidence, that shows how difficult it is to match Zimmerman's story with facts:

http://bcclist.com/2012/06/22/george-zimmerma...
realitycheck

Carmel, IN

#328 Jul 19, 2012
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
Unreality--you clearly are highly committed to what you prefer to believe and will cling to it despite all evidence to the contrary. Wearing a hoodie in a store means nothing more than that the person is wearing a hoodie in a store. A gentleman wearing a fedora might not bother to remove it on entering a 7-11, even though he might when entering someone's residence.
There is a simple explanation for walking between the houses. This was a popular passthrough for young people, particularly after the gates closed at 7 PM.
For a complete breakdown of exactly what Zimmerman said he did (including the movement from where he first saw Trayvon, to the clubhouse--where Trayvon walked past, to the street where he parked his vehicle before following Trayvon on foot) watch the complete police video which can be found here: http://my.firedoglake.com/mason/2012/06/21/zi... .
Also contained there is an analysis of how Zimmerman's story compares to available evidence.
You are likely not interested--you seem to be set on believing that Trayvon and his entire family were simply bad people deserving to be shot on sight. But others might appreciate looking at facts.
You must live around really strange people because I've never seen someone wear their hoodie INSIDE a store unless they had a ski mask over their face. I have every reason to believe he was acting out of the ordinary which was why Z called the police. GZ did nothing wrong no matter how badly you want it to be so.

I have a policy of not wandering around ghetto or following unknown links, sorry.

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#329 Jul 19, 2012
realitycheck wrote:
<quoted text>
You must live around really strange people because I've never seen someone wear their hoodie INSIDE a store unless they had a ski mask over their face. I have every reason to believe he was acting out of the ordinary which was why Z called the police. GZ did nothing wrong no matter how badly you want it to be so.
I have a policy of not wandering around ghetto or following unknown links, sorry.
In America it is not a crime to wear a hoodie indoors.

You don't have to click my links. But if you are going to go around telling people what the evidence does and does not show, you really ought to do your own googling and know what the evidence is.
realitycheck

Carmel, IN

#330 Jul 20, 2012
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
In America it is not a crime to wear a hoodie indoors.
You don't have to click my links. But if you are going to go around telling people what the evidence does and does not show, you really ought to do your own googling and know what the evidence is.
It's not a crime to walk in a store with a ski mask on either but it's suspicious.

You haven't presented one shred of evidence that hasn't been discussed one hundred times. I would hope all the facts have not been made public because I don't see anything that would merit the charges.

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#331 Jul 20, 2012
realitycheck wrote:
<quoted text>It's not a crime to walk in a store with a ski mask on either but it's suspicious.
You haven't presented one shred of evidence that hasn't been discussed one hundred times. I would hope all the facts have not been made public because I don't see anything that would merit the charges.
You do know that George did not see Trayvon walking into 7-11 with the hood up, right?

In other words--it is irrelevant!
realitycheck

Carmel, IN

#332 Jul 20, 2012
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
You do know that George did not see Trayvon walking into 7-11 with the hood up, right?
In other words--it is irrelevant!
Are you acting obtuse on purpose? My point was that even I could see that TM was acting oddly just by watching him on the video in the store. The fact I can confirm that he was in the store acting odd confirms GZ's statements about him on the 911 call. TM acted suspicious in the store and I am certain he acted just as suspicious outside of the store which was why Z called authorities in the first place.

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#333 Jul 20, 2012
realitycheck wrote:
<quoted text> Are you acting obtuse on purpose? My point was that even I could see that TM was acting oddly just by watching him on the video in the store. The fact I can confirm that he was in the store acting odd confirms GZ's statements about him on the 911 call. TM acted suspicious in the store and I am certain he acted just as suspicious outside of the store which was why Z called authorities in the first place.
You wanna call the police on every kid who walks into a store without putting their hood down, go right on ahead.

Zimmerman called the police because Trayvon was walking in the rain and looking about. He identified him as "suspicious" and made some bad decisions about what to do about that (beyond calling the police). And as a result a kid is now dead.

Please, if you learn nothing else from this, let it be to allow the police to do their job and don't try to be a cowboy because you think it is "suspicious" to wear a hoodie into the 7-11.
August

Winter Garden, FL

#334 Jul 20, 2012
Back to the topic of this thread:
Agreed. The media bias is getting way out of hand. Not just in the TM/GZ case but all of them.

Last night, guy shot up a theater full of people. Less than twelve hours into the story ABC is trying to tie this guy to the Tea Party. Funny, didn't the media do the very same thing with the Gabby Giffords story? And weren't they wrong then, too?

Instead of bashing each other over a case that hasn't even gone to trial (at which point you can expect all the facts to come out and you can stop speculating) you guys should be concerned with the media making up their own stories. I'll say it again:

The media makes up stories, without waiting for all of the facts to come out. Almost like you guys!
realitycheck

Carmel, IN

#335 Jul 20, 2012
August wrote:
Back to the topic of this thread:
Agreed. The media bias is getting way out of hand. Not just in the TM/GZ case but all of them.
Last night, guy shot up a theater full of people. Less than twelve hours into the story ABC is trying to tie this guy to the Tea Party. Funny, didn't the media do the very same thing with the Gabby Giffords story? And weren't they wrong then, too?
Instead of bashing each other over a case that hasn't even gone to trial (at which point you can expect all the facts to come out and you can stop speculating) you guys should be concerned with the media making up their own stories. I'll say it again:
The media makes up stories, without waiting for all of the facts to come out. Almost like you guys!
You do have a point.
Roadrunner

Perry, MI

#337 Sep 28, 2012
Wow, not much has been said on this once highly contreversal topic. It was presented today that the gun only had Georges DNA on it, none of Trayvon's, which would lead me to believe that Trayvon was no where near the gun which shot him, kind of destroys the theory that George shot when Treyvon was on top of him, and shot to save his life. Treyvons blood, hence DNA, would have gotten on the gun if it had been fired at that close of range. Just my opinion. I'm no forencisc scientist (nor much of a speller this morning either.) Just wondered what others thought about it.
Roadrunner

Perry, MI

#338 Sep 28, 2012
You're still holding on strong to that sad defense, that his parents didn't care, and that he was just rambling all over. He was walking back from the convenience store with candy for his sibling. He wasn't out making trouble. No weapons were found on him. Nothing but a cell phone, something to drink and a bag of skittles were found on his possession. Yeah, that sounds like someone out doing no good. And, for the record, without even thinking about it (my ears were cold) I went into a convenience store with my hood up on my sweatshirt and my aviators on, and didn't remove them until I got home. Did take the hood off in Rite Aid because I was becoming a little warm. Does that make he a hoodlum too? I highly doubt it. And anyone except for punks like you, would have thought I was up to no good.
Ridiculous that you guys still haven't pulled your heads from your asses. There is a reason charges were brought against Zimmerman. He's the one who did something wrong.
Enough said.
realitycheck wrote:
<quoted text>
Creeps who wear hoodies inside stores are suspicious acting. People have a good reason to keep an eye on them. If Z did say the dispatcher told him to follow, I'm sure Z thought he did or assumed he wanted him to in order to give the dispatcher the details he was asking. You can pick apart what innocent people say every day and it doesn't mean they are guilty. Zimmerman is not careful with how he selects his words which tells me less likely to have a criminal mind. If he were so calculating, we would see this play out in his interviews. He's not very bright which doesn't help him in such a high profile case. I haven't seen any information about GZ following TM in his car but I did hear the tape. GZ was following for only a few seconds so he was clearly not stalking or doing anything aggressive. He was providing information for the police so they would be able to locate and question TM when they arrived. Clearly, GZ had no interest in confronting TM which is why the charges are bogus. Unless this prosecuter has something that hasn't been revealed, there is no evidence to support the charges. Frankly, she should be sued for malicious prosecution.
TM was walking between the houses when GZ saw him. His demeanor gave Zimmerman reason to call authorities. TM had his hoodie up INSIDE a store which was very suspicious. He was weaving around like he was on something in that video which support Z's concerns.
TM's parents are great actors. They didn't give two shts about their son when he was alive. They let him run wild without any interest in where he was.. Mommy dearest shipped him off to serve his two week suspension with loser daddy dearest who didn't bother to even supervise him. Daddy dearest lied to police about when he last saw his son. Makes you wonder why. Mommy and Daddy didn't want to inconvienience themselves which was why they let their thug prowl around neighborhoods rather than disciplining him for being suspended for a week. Let society deal with their criminal because they didn't want the responsibility. Now that he's dead....oh they are soooo sad....all the way to the bank.

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