Media Bias on the Zimmerman, Martin Case

[realitycheck]

FKA Reader wrote:

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Nobody wants to talk about race, but the only way to make sense of Zimmerman's contention that Trayvon jumpled him is to believe that black males (or at least the ones who wear hoodies and have to hold their pants up) as a group are dangerous and bent on violence without provocation.
Until the police id'd Trayvon and had the opportunity to get a background on him Zimmerman was walking around believing that he was a hero who had interrupted a crime by some interloper. He just had enough knowledge of the law to claim he was jumped and had to shoot him.

Bizzare rationale you have, sir.

[FKA Reader]

Ray wrote:

Maybe you guys need to see the picture again of the back of Zimmerman's head after Trayvon attacked him and beat him, Zimmerman also had a broken nose.
Here is a link for the photo that you need to see again...
http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/ht_george_zim...
Zimmerman was attacked, and he killed Trayvon in self defense. End of story.

The injuries are not quite consistent with the claims made by Zimmerman (repeatedly lifting him by the shoulder and slamming head into the pavement), repeated blows to the face. No defensive wounds.

Can't quite fit the story of being smothered with two hands, leaning sufficiently to lift up off Zimmerman's torso (to both see and free the gun) with the screams heard on tape (and that Zimmerman claims were his) that stopped abrumptly with the gun shot.

Also bizarre is the notion that Trayvon would decide to jump Zimmerman and just start beating on him. Why would he do that?

There are plausible reasons, but they have to do with Zimmerman actually acting in concert with the things he said to the dispatcher--that he was following him, that he believed that he was one of a number of thiefs who were well acquainted with the area, broke in to houses and always got away. Zimmerman may have acted confrontational (as reported by Trayvon's friend). He may have reached for his gun--rather than his phone as he reported. He may have laid hands on Trayvon in order to try and detain him until the police arrived.

We are not getting the whole truth from Zimmerman by any means. Start asking yourself why.

[FKA Reader]

realitycheck wrote:

<quoted text>Bizzare rationale you have, sir.

What is your rationale?

Why would Trayvon jump Zimmerman and start beating on him?

[RU4reel]

Didn't Zimmerman follow him down the road in his vehicle? Do we not believe Travon's girlfriend who said he was speaking with her on phone telling her this ahole was following him.

I believe Travon kicked his ass because Zimmerman provoked him into doing so. Those marks on back of his head were nothing. Keep talking Zimmerman and bury your a$$! I say put him same jail his wife should spend some time in so they can further get their coded talk on target.

[Ray]

FKA Reader wrote:

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What is your rationale?
Why would Trayvon jump Zimmerman and start beating on him?

Because Trayvon was a criminal thug and druggie. It is an absolute fact, backed by the evidence of the injuries, that Trayvon attacked George Zimmerman. Zimmerman killed Trayvon in self defense. End of story.

[Ray]

FKA Reader wrote:

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Apparently "skittles" is a street term for coricidin--a cold medication. So, I would imagine that if a handful of cold pills were dissolved in almost anything, they might produce a buzz or high of some kind. Apparently the ingredient of concern is detromethorphan. And the liver damage is not so much from the DMX as it is from other ingredients (like aspirin or ibuprofen) typically included.
But--to link this to Trayvon on this day seems to be nothing more than wishful thinking.

No, they use real Skittles to make Lean/Purple Lean/Purple Drank, it is Arizona watermelon drink, and Skittles, and cough syrup.

[FKA Reader]

Ray wrote:

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Because Trayvon was a criminal thug and druggie. It is an absolute fact, backed by the evidence of the injuries, that Trayvon attacked George Zimmerman. Zimmerman killed Trayvon in self defense. End of story.

Even criminal thugs and druggies have reasons for the things that they do.

But, Trayvon was NOT a criminal thug. He had no record.

He got in trouble at school for writing on a locker, for skipping school and for having a baggie that had formerly contained marijuana. None good things, but also nothing to make him a criminal thug. Likely not even much of a druggie. His tox screen didn't indicate any recent use, although it showed he had used marijuana at some point.

But, as I said, even if he were a criminal thug and druggie, this would not explain his choosing to jump Zimmerman.

[FKA Reader]

Ray wrote:

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No, they use real Skittles to make Lean/Purple Lean/Purple Drank, it is Arizona watermelon drink, and Skittles, and cough syrup.

Ever drink a bottle of cough syrup?

Hard anymore to even find cough syrup with alcohol in it.

Arizona watermelon drink and skittles would serve only as "mixer" and flavoring. They offer no enhancements. No magic.

If you want me to believe otherwise then offer up some credible (meaning medical) source.

[Ray]

Criminal thugs attack people everyday for no reason, and they do drive by shootings for no reason, etc. Thugs love to fight, and they will beat someone up for no reason.

And with Trayvon, he was up to no good, and Zimmerman was acting as neighborhood watch and Trayvon did not like being watched. Trayvon asked Zimmerman what his problem was, Zimmerman said that he did not have a problem, and Trayvon told him "You do now!," and Trayvon proceeded to attack Zimmerman breaking Zimmerman's nose and then pounding Zimmerman's head on the cement, and the Zimmerman shot Trayvon in self defense. End of story.

[realitycheck]

FKA Reader wrote:

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The injuries are not quite consistent with the claims made by Zimmerman (repeatedly lifting him by the shoulder and slamming head into the pavement), repeated blows to the face. No defensive wounds.
Can't quite fit the story of being smothered with two hands, leaning sufficiently to lift up off Zimmerman's torso (to both see and free the gun) with the screams heard on tape (and that Zimmerman claims were his) that stopped abrumptly with the gun shot.
Also bizarre is the notion that Trayvon would decide to jump Zimmerman and just start beating on him. Why would he do that?
There are plausible reasons, but they have to do with Zimmerman actually acting in concert with the things he said to the dispatcher--that he was following him, that he believed that he was one of a number of thiefs who were well acquainted with the area, broke in to houses and always got away. Zimmerman may have acted confrontational (as reported by Trayvon's friend). He may have reached for his gun--rather than his phone as he reported. He may have laid hands on Trayvon in order to try and detain him until the police arrived.
We are not getting the whole truth from Zimmerman by any means. Start asking yourself why.

Your reasoning is quite odd because it really doesn't seem very complex at all. Zimmerman contacted the police because he saw someone who looked suspicious. TM looked odd in the video while he was INSIDE with his hoodie covering up almost his entire face. That's creepy. We also heard Zimmermans remark to the 911 operator about how TM was staring him down. That sounds aggressive to me. GZ didn't sound like much of an aggressor based on what was on the tapes so it is hard for me to imagine he would want to pick a fight with someone he was afraid of. GZ obviously wanted the police to investigate which was why he called them. GZ also didn't want TM to get away which was why he was following him while talking to the operator.GZ later stopped which gave TM more than time to run home if he was 'afraid'. At some point after the conversation with the police and when they arrived a fight ensued at GZ was beaten by TM which resulted in a shot that killed TM. I can't imagine anything BUT self defense. Obviously, the political climate is such that an innocent man could end up in jail in exchange to satisfy the feeding frenzy. I still can't believe a parent would let their unsupervised kid who was suspended for two weeks wandering about.

[FKA Reader]

Interesting dissection of Zimmerman's police walk-through of the crime.

http://globalgrind.com/news/george-zimmerman-...

Shows some serious conflicts with the phone call to the police.

[emperorjohn]

FKA Reader wrote:

Interesting dissection of Zimmerman's police walk-through of the crime.
http://globalgrind.com/news/george-zimmerman-...
Shows some serious conflicts with the phone call to the police.

He lied about following Tray, he lied about what Tray said to him, he lied about Tray being in hiding. He lied about what the operator said. I hope the prosecutor is aware of it all.
Thanks for the link, white sista.

[FKA Reader]

emperorjohn wrote:

<quoted text> He lied about following Tray, he lied about what Tray said to him, he lied about Tray being in hiding. He lied about what the operator said. I hope the prosecutor is aware of it all.
Thanks for the link, white sista.

One thing we know. Georgie will never get a job writing dialogue, LOL.

You GOT me!

[Kermudgeon]

Jesus_H_Christ wrote:

Martin has had NO run-ins with the law. The jewelery he had on him did not match any jewelry that was reported stolen.
What happened was Zimmerman - a wanna be cop - started some sh!t with the kid, the kid gave him a beat down, so the fat guy had to pull a gun.
This is legal in Florida, so he hasn't been arrested. All but one person was unarmed when they were shot in 'self-defense' down there. Basically these are all people like Zimmerman that can't fight and their egos are too fragile to take a beating.

Why take a beating when you have a nice, new gun with which to prevent the beating? It's pretty simple; don't get all ghetto and attack someone if you don't want to get shot because once you attack the person, he has the right to defend him/herself.

[emperorjohn]

Kermudgeon wrote:

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Why take a beating when you have a nice, new gun with which to prevent the beating? It's pretty simple; don't get all ghetto and attack someone if you don't want to get shot because once you attack the person, he has the right to defend him/herself.

In other words Zimmerman is a coward who could not fight one on one with a teenager so he needed a gun.

[FKA Reader]

Kermudgeon wrote:

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Why take a beating when you have a nice, new gun with which to prevent the beating? It's pretty simple; don't get all ghetto and attack someone if you don't want to get shot because once you attack the person, he has the right to defend him/herself.

K--even in the ghetto, folks don't just jump people for the fun of it. Trayvon didn't say, "give me your money," or watch, or phone. He didn't say, "you got any weed?" or DXM (apparently the key ingredient in "purple lean" without which the tea and skittles would be pretty lame--if he was looking to get high).

But George Zimmerman doesn't know all that. He apparently believes that black folks--particularly if they wear hoodies and hold their pants up at the waist--just go around jumping on people to beat them up and kill them. Because that's just what they do.

The only thing more incredible than the amount of time it took to charge him is the number of people willing to swallow that story.

[The Innkeeper]

FKA Reader wrote:

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K--even in the ghetto, folks don't just jump people for the fun of it.

This sentence right here shows that you have not the faintest clue what you are talking about.

Please tell us the last time that you entered the ghetto.

I'm betting either decades ago, or never at all.

[FKA Reader]

The Innkeeper wrote:

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This sentence right here shows that you have not the faintest clue what you are talking about.
Please tell us the last time that you entered the ghetto.
I'm betting either decades ago, or never at all.

LOL. I live here!

[realitycheck]

FKA Reader wrote:

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LOL. I live here!

There are many different kinds of ghettos all around this country. To say your ghetto is the same as every ghetto in this country just proves how foolish you are. There are some ghettos that are so dangerous, if you are the wrong color, you're in serious trouble. In other ghettos, it may depend on the way you wear your hat or the kind of car you have which could initiate unwanted contact. You could slip by if not noticed in most ghettos. Years ago, I got lost and ended up in East St. Louis at night. Got out of my car to ask for directions and got chased. Nearly got killed. So, to make generalizations about living in the ghetto is ridiculous.

[The Innkeeper]

FKA Reader wrote:

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LOL. I live here!

well, you must have a nice, orderly ghetto.

Folks WILL jump others for the fun, or sport of it all.

A sad fact of life.

As to whether Trayvon did so, remains to be seen. I will try not to judge prematurely. I will wait for the trial, if it happens.