Was Slavery Really That Bad?

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Curtis Lowe

San Antonio, TX

#1 Apr 24, 2011
Many slaves refused to leave their homes when Sherman marched through the South. In fact, many a union soldier was shot by a slave defending their owner's property. Sure, there were horrible slave owners, but they were the exception rather than the rule. In truth, most African Slaves did much better in America than they did in Africa.

Why do I bring this up? I think it is time for America to reinstitute slavery in order to boost our economy. If we take all the illegal aliens and enslave them for 10 years with the promise of citizenship (Without the right to vote ever), then we can take a huge chunk out of the deficit. We could really achieve great things with compassionate slavery. Hell, these people want to be here. They wan to work. We will let them do it. We just won't pay them. We can keep them in dorms and offer them free airfare to their home nation any time they want to leave.

Think about it.
Whatthe

Warren, MI

#2 Apr 24, 2011
Do some more studying. You might have to see pictures, or films, since you can't experience it yourself to really understand why slavery was banned. Don't let Rush, and some of those other nutheads fool you.

“roof only leaks when it rains”

Since: Nov 09

Farmington NM

#3 Apr 24, 2011
Curtis Lowe wrote:
Many slaves refused to leave their homes when Sherman marched through the South. In fact, many a union soldier was shot by a slave defending their owner's property. Sure, there were horrible slave owners, but they were the exception rather than the rule. In truth, most African Slaves did much better in America than they did in Africa.
Why do I bring this up? I think it is time for America to reinstitute slavery in order to boost our economy. If we take all the illegal aliens and enslave them for 10 years with the promise of citizenship (Without the right to vote ever), then we can take a huge chunk out of the deficit. We could really achieve great things with compassionate slavery. Hell, these people want to be here. They wan to work. We will let them do it. We just won't pay them. We can keep them in dorms and offer them free airfare to their home nation any time they want to leave.
Think about it.
This is already happening to a lot of illegal immigrants in this country and its horrible.
wun hung lo

Walnut Creek, CA

#4 Apr 24, 2011
Curtis Lowe wrote:
Many slaves refused to leave their homes when Sherman marched through the South. In fact, many a union soldier was shot by a slave defending their owner's property. Sure, there were horrible slave owners, but they were the exception rather than the rule. In truth, most African Slaves did much better in America than they did in Africa.
Why do I bring this up? I think it is time for America to reinstitute slavery in order to boost our economy. If we take all the illegal aliens and enslave them for 10 years with the promise of citizenship (Without the right to vote ever), then we can take a huge chunk out of the deficit. We could really achieve great things with compassionate slavery. Hell, these people want to be here. They wan to work. We will let them do it. We just won't pay them. We can keep them in dorms and offer them free airfare to their home nation any time they want to leave.
Think about it.
How 'bout all the ppl on gov't assistance actually having to WORK for those paychecks....Hah! If those lazy bastards actually had to work for thier free money they would riot in the streets...
wun hung lo

Walnut Creek, CA

#5 Apr 24, 2011
Hey Curtis...How's your dobro....bro?

“Question everything”

Since: Apr 10

Assume nothing

#6 Apr 24, 2011
Well, if the Bible is for slaver, and actually has set rules for it, then America should be for it.

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.(Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare,'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever.(Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.(Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

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#7 Apr 24, 2011
*slavery
Branded

Warren, MI

#8 Apr 25, 2011
r0n d0n wrote:
Well, if the Bible is for slaver, and actually has set rules for it, then America should be for it.
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.(Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare,'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever.(Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.(Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
Your reading from the law which is no longer followed. That's the way people lived then, and laws were made to bring order to their life style. Christians now days live under a new law - the most important being to love God and to love your neighbor. Those two laws and slavery don't mix together. Then again your trying to say that the foreigner has no rights. That would be anybody who is not a Native American. If what you are saying was true, you would have been born into slavery.

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#9 Apr 25, 2011
This has to be a satire on how conservatives think. He can't be serious, so this shouldn't be entertained.

Since: Jan 08

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#10 Apr 25, 2011
Do you know,that to his death,Robert Lee believed that the wrong side won the Civil War;and,that God had ordained the Confederacy to keep the institution of slavery.What is most disturbing is that this attitude comes from an area where the Holy Bible is fervently taught.God DID NOT make slaves;man made slaves.No where in the Holy Texts does God imply that slavery is to be tolerated.I was down South.Liked the climate and the people.I just don't understand their attitudes.
Branded

Warren, MI

#11 Apr 25, 2011
STEPHMAR wrote:
Do you know,that to his death,Robert Lee believed that the wrong side won the Civil War;and,that God had ordained the Confederacy to keep the institution of slavery.What is most disturbing is that this attitude comes from an area where the Holy Bible is fervently taught.God DID NOT make slaves;man made slaves.No where in the Holy Texts does God imply that slavery is to be tolerated.I was down South.Liked the climate and the people.I just don't understand their attitudes.
The Old Testament actually does approve of slavery, but that is what is now known as the Old Law. But I would like to hear your view on that.And please refer to my last comment.

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#12 Apr 25, 2011
Branded wrote:
<quoted text>
Your reading from the law which is no longer followed. That's the way people lived then, and laws were made to bring order to their life style. Christians now days live under a new law - the most important being to love God and to love your neighbor. Those two laws and slavery don't mix together. Then again your trying to say that the foreigner has no rights. That would be anybody who is not a Native American. If what you are saying was true, you would have been born into slavery.
You would think that Jesus and the New Testament would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.



Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.(Ephesians 6:5 NLT)



Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.(1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)



In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.



The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

Branded

Warren, MI

#13 Apr 25, 2011
r0n d0n wrote:
<quoted text>
You would think that Jesus and the New Testament would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.(Ephesians 6:5 NLT)
Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.(1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)
In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.
The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)
Jesus never actually approved of slavery, but he was always stressing the point of being content in all situations, and obeying earthly authority so that no man can accuse you. To set an example to all people, be they wicked or just. The servant of GOD will be severely punished because he knows the truth and has more responsibilities given to him. The man that knows the truth is responsible for it. Jesus uses parables when he speaks. It doesn't mean that He approved of slavery. But in this regard we are in a sense slaves to GOD, but also have a free will. The punishment is, I think only an inevitable consequence of our actions.
Abraxas

United States

#14 Apr 25, 2011
OH no slavery is so much fun, you will really enjoy your enslavement to me. All your hopes and dreams , well forget that....My plan has you doing what you ought to.... serving ME! and MY guests, you will be so happy making ME happy..... you wont even notice or remember YOUR life, which is mine of course.
And never forget to not make ME! Your Master mad, because well ...;.just because you don't wont to find out whats in the Chili.:D Submission is your greatest ally. So just say being a slave is your wildest dream come true! And I promise to treat you
squarely, and only beat you , every now and then .

:P

Since: Jan 08

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#15 Apr 26, 2011
Branded wrote:
<quoted text>
The Old Testament actually does approve of slavery, but that is what is now known as the Old Law. But I would like to hear your view on that.And please refer to my last comment.
I believe you are inferring to the concept of indentured responsibility.Also,there are some terms in the Old Texts using the term slavery.That type of meaning is not the same as our understanding of the term.Was there slavery in Biblical times.YES,women were bought and sold as slaves just as in the South.GOD did not approve this.MEN did this.Men have a habit of doing whatever they want;then using GOD to justify their actions,i.e.Our own Civil War.

Since: Jan 08

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#16 Apr 26, 2011
Branded wrote:
<quoted text>
The Old Testament actually does approve of slavery, but that is what is now known as the Old Law. But I would like to hear your view on that.And please refer to my last comment.
Branded,please keep in mind that quite a few of the Biblical Passages are written in Parables.Literal interpretation of Biblical Texts should not be considered except for those who have a very strong background in this.NO,this does not include the Southern Baptists,Sorry.
Eristotle

Indianapolis, IN

#17 Apr 26, 2011
Curtis Lowe wrote:
Many slaves refused to leave their homes when Sherman marched through the South. In fact, many a union soldier was shot by a slave defending their owner's property. Sure, there were horrible slave owners, but they were the exception rather than the rule. In truth, most African Slaves did much better in America than they did in Africa.
Why do I bring this up? I think it is time for America to reinstitute slavery in order to boost our economy. If we take all the illegal aliens and enslave them for 10 years with the promise of citizenship (Without the right to vote ever), then we can take a huge chunk out of the deficit. We could really achieve great things with compassionate slavery. Hell, these people want to be here. They wan to work. We will let them do it. We just won't pay them. We can keep them in dorms and offer them free airfare to their home nation any time they want to leave.
Think about it.
Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood and heroine of the modern day Feminists like Hillary Clinton (Hillary recently won Planned Parenthood's Margaret Sanger Award), had something similar in mind (see paragraph g):

http://www.acts1711.com/sanger.htm

The following "A Plan for Peace", Margaret Sanger was published in Birth Control Review (April 1932, pp. 107-108):

(H)ave Congress set up a special department for the study of population problems and appoint a Parliament of Population, the directors representing the various branches of science: this body to direct and control the population through birth rates and immigration, and to direct its distribution over the country according to national needs consistent with taste, fitness and interest of individuals. The main objects of the Population Congress would be:

a. to raise the level and increase the general intelligence of population.

b. to increase the population slowly by keeping the birth rate at its present level of fifteen per thousand, decreasing the death rate below its present mark of 11 per thousand.

c. to keep the doors of immigration closed to the entrance of certain aliens whose condition is known to be detrimental to the stamina of the race, such as feebleminded, idiots, morons, insane, syphilitic, epileptic, criminal, professional prostitutes, and others in this class barred by the immigration laws of 1924.

d. to apply a stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is tainted, or whose inheritance is such that objectionable traits may be transmitted to offspring.

e. to insure the country against future burdens of maintenance for numerous offspring as may be born of feebleminded parents, by pensioning all persons with transmissible disease who voluntarily consent to sterilization.

f. to give certain dysgenic groups in our population their
(another Pro-Choice) choice of segregation or sterilization.

g. to apportion farm lands and homesteads for these segregated persons (sounds like a return to the plantation for a life of slavery) where they would be taught to work under competent instructors for the period of their entire lives.

You're thinking Curtis, just not thinking BIG enough to match the Liberal/Leftist/Progressives.
Branded

Warren, MI

#18 Apr 26, 2011
STEPHMAR wrote:
<quoted text>Branded,please keep in mind that quite a few of the Biblical Passages are written in Parables.Literal interpretation of Biblical Texts should not be considered except for those who have a very strong background in this.NO,this does not include the Southern Baptists,Sorry.
Please see my other replies to see agreements on this subject. Thank you for your reply

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#19 Apr 26, 2011
It's funny how Christians justify their God as righteous. There are rules for slavery (as I already pointed out above) in the the Bible, and no where in the Bible is slavery specifically condemned.

You can't take anything this book says seriously.
Storm warning

De Forest, WI

#20 Apr 26, 2011
the rapes of 34,000 White women last year covered up by a Jew media say we should kill them when they commit these crimes. let unemployed democrat and republicans pick the dammed cotton.

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