As people quit smoking, what will be ...

As people quit smoking, what will be taxed next?

Created by Rufusdakat on Mar 16, 2009

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Since: May 07

Indianapolis, IN

#24 Mar 17, 2009
Aye, there's the rub.

Cigarettes get massively taxed, and the liberals are giddy because they get to impose their anti-smoking will on people. People quit smoking and then the lost tax revenue gets made up in other areas, areas that everyone spends money on. Everyone can thank the "we know what's best for you" liberals for the myopic strategy of trying to control other peoples' behavior through taxation.

DOH!
hh phl

High Point, NC

#25 Mar 17, 2009
Matt from Akron wrote:
Aye, there's the rub.
Cigarettes get massively taxed, and the liberals are giddy because they get to impose their anti-smoking will on people. People quit smoking and then the lost tax revenue gets made up in other areas, areas that everyone spends money on. Everyone can thank the "we know what's best for you" liberals for the myopic strategy of trying to control other peoples' behavior through taxation.
DOH!
Hmmm...you don't think there might be an actual savings to the Americans when people that quit smoking don't get sick? Medicaid prices won't be astronomical.

Smoking is the number 1 health hazard of this nation. Don't tell me we won't see a financial benefit if it goes away. Or do you really believe that it's great for your health?
Collard Greens

United States

#26 Mar 18, 2009
hh phl wrote:
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Hmmm...you don't think there might be an actual savings to the Americans when people that quit smoking don't get sick? Medicaid prices won't be astronomical.
Smoking is the number 1 health hazard of this nation. Don't tell me we won't see a financial benefit if it goes away. Or do you really believe that it's great for your health?
If its all about money and the concern for health why not just make them illegal? Why put a tax on it? I'll tell you why. To pay for all the pork in these bills there passing.
Collard Greens

United States

#27 Mar 18, 2009
Caffeinated wrote:
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Fancy meeting you here, Collard Greens.
Now what did I do with that ham hock and black eyed peas?
Easy there Caffeinated ! Easy!! Hey what are you doing with that pot?
Caffeinated

Wheaton, IL

#29 Mar 18, 2009
Collard Greens wrote:
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Easy there Caffeinated ! Easy!! Hey what are you doing with that pot?
Pot...as in illegal drugs?

If I had my way, it would get destroyed. Just like the people who use it.

Do you miss our marijuana thread where I was incredibly outnumbered? LOL!!

I never realized how many druggies were in the US, until I got on Topix. I think that I am the only person who never used drugs. I wonder if I can get an award for that.:)
Collard Greens

United States

#30 Mar 18, 2009
Caffeinated wrote:
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Pot...as in illegal drugs?
If I had my way, it would get destroyed. Just like the people who use it.
Do you miss our marijuana thread where I was incredibly outnumbered? LOL!!
I never realized how many druggies were in the US, until I got on Topix. I think that I am the only person who never used drugs. I wonder if I can get an award for that.:)
Never!? You may be the only one. Actually though I was talking about a cooking pot. I thought maybe you were gettin ideas I might tatse pretty good with that ham or sumpin.
Caffeinated

United States

#31 Mar 18, 2009
Collard Greens wrote:
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Never!? You may be the only one. Actually though I was talking about a cooking pot. I thought maybe you were gettin ideas I might tatse pretty good with that ham or sumpin.
You do look pretty tasty.:)
Proud to be an Outsider

United States

#32 Mar 18, 2009
You seemed to have left out the number one choice which I believe to be BOOZE! They are going to tax it like M.A.D.!!!!!
CPA

Napa, CA

#33 Mar 18, 2009
The only viable tax is on wealth.
I'm not talking income, but property, luxuries like yachts, and investments, and inheritance.
If you tax people on their current net worth they will be less keen to see unsustainable market bubbles.
hh phl

High Point, NC

#35 Mar 19, 2009
Collard Greens wrote:
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If its all about money and the concern for health why not just make them illegal? Why put a tax on it? I'll tell you why. To pay for all the pork in these bills there passing.
I never said that there was any concern for health. I was actually posting about the topic. We wouldn't need to tax anything else if everyone quit smoking, the health savings would more than cover it. As far as making it illegal. Our prisons already have enough people that shouldn't be there, that would just add to the problem.
hh phl

High Point, NC

#36 Mar 19, 2009
Caffeinated wrote:
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Pot...as in illegal drugs?
If I had my way, it would get destroyed. Just like the people who use it.
Do you miss our marijuana thread where I was incredibly outnumbered? LOL!!
I never realized how many druggies were in the US, until I got on Topix. I think that I am the only person who never used drugs. I wonder if I can get an award for that.:)
I bet there's a lot of people that feel the way you do about tobacco after they lost loved ones to the drug.

The only thing you have to go on is your holier than everyone else feeling. You despise something you know nothing about. Maybe there's the outrage over pot being illegal because people have tried it to know about it and see that the drug has less ill effects than even your precious tobacco.
Caffeinated

United States

#37 Mar 19, 2009
hh phl wrote:
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I bet there's a lot of people that feel the way you do about tobacco after they lost loved ones to the drug.
The only thing you have to go on is your holier than everyone else feeling. You despise something you know nothing about. Maybe there's the outrage over pot being illegal because people have tried it to know about it and see that the drug has less ill effects than even your precious tobacco.
I know plenty about it. I was in a long term relationship with somebody who let it destroy his life.

I won't make that mistake again.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum”

Since: Dec 07

Former US of A

#38 Mar 19, 2009
hh phl wrote:
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Hmmm...you don't think there might be an actual savings to the Americans when people that quit smoking don't get sick? Medicaid prices won't be astronomical.
Smoking is the number 1 health hazard of this nation. Don't tell me we won't see a financial benefit if it goes away. Or do you really believe that it's great for your health?
Good point......to a point. Lets take it to the next level shall we? Lets assume that 70% of smokers do kick the habit because the government finally made it too expensive for most to cough up the cigarette tax. Overall health improves and Medicaid costs shrink. Great for everyone right? Ok. Now people are living longer and collecting more social security, more unemployment benefits and more welfare checks. As those people age well beyond a smokers life expectancy, other health issues will once again increase government expenditures. Only now, they don't have copious amounts of revenue to draw from a cigarette tax which means it has to come from somewhere else.

Oops! There go your income taxes. I'd like to think there is a better way but considering the source......?
hh phl

High Point, NC

#39 Mar 19, 2009
Caffeinated wrote:
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I know plenty about it. I was in a long term relationship with somebody who let it destroy his life.
I won't make that mistake again.
Hmmmm...so you were involved in a long term conspiracy. Thought you were a mistake free person. You're lucky your mistake didn't cost you years of your life behind bars.
hh phl

High Point, NC

#40 Mar 19, 2009
Castle wrote:
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Good point......to a point. Lets take it to the next level shall we? Lets assume that 70% of smokers do kick the habit because the government finally made it too expensive for most to cough up the cigarette tax. Overall health improves and Medicaid costs shrink. Great for everyone right? Ok. Now people are living longer and collecting more social security, more unemployment benefits and more welfare checks. As those people age well beyond a smokers life expectancy, other health issues will once again increase government expenditures. Only now, they don't have copious amounts of revenue to draw from a cigarette tax which means it has to come from somewhere else.
Oops! There go your income taxes. I'd like to think there is a better way but considering the source......?
So your answer would be to tax cigarettes less so that it is more affordable for our youth to start and they can continue the cycle of death? Do you have kids? Go buy them a pack of smokes. You can do your part to help society.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum”

Since: Dec 07

Former US of A

#41 Mar 19, 2009
hh phl wrote:
<quoted text>So your answer would be to tax cigarettes less so that it is more affordable for our youth to start and they can continue the cycle of death? Do you have kids? Go buy them a pack of smokes. You can do your part to help society.
I made no such claim. Only that if the overall goal is to increase revenue while decreasing health care expenditures, the idea of raising cigarette taxes as having the long term effect of saving the government money is flawed. I can assure you the government is not raising taxes on smokers to stem the rate of teenage smoking. That is merely a possible and unintended side effect. Our govt. is in the business of collecting and spending YOUR money. Ideally, it would approach this wisely. Unfortunately, it does not but that is for another thread.
truckerpat

Simpsonville, SC

#42 Mar 19, 2009
hell everythings going to go up in taxes, i was already told alcohol is going to be taxed more.
the last days witness

United States

#43 Mar 19, 2009
ass paper please dont let them tax douche bags women are nasty enough..
Eyefulsucks

Dublin, CA

#44 Mar 23, 2009
They just banned smoking in complexes here in Dublin. You are not allowed to smoke on your balconey OR in your own apartment. People are not renting in this city now,...they would rather go to a town around here were they can at least smoke in their own home. Apartment owners are going to lose a ton of revenue.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum”

Since: Dec 07

Former US of A

#45 Mar 23, 2009
Eyefulsucks wrote:
They just banned smoking in complexes here in Dublin. You are not allowed to smoke on your balconey OR in your own apartment. People are not renting in this city now,...they would rather go to a town around here were they can at least smoke in their own home. Apartment owners are going to lose a ton of revenue.
Wow! Not even in their own homes. That is scary. I can only imagine freedoms will go next?! Sorry to hear that. Hope that does not last too long.

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