Why did Lucifer turn against the Lord?

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Why did Lucifer turn against the Lord??...Because he committed what many people today continue to commit: He COVETED what someone else had. And this case, that 'Someone' was the Lord Himself.
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The angel "Lucifer" and his followers rose up against God, were probably the same reasons 'rebel uprisings' occur anywhere; they disagreed with the incumbent government. In their eyes they were 'freedom fighters' and patriots, trying to overthrow the Lord God who in their opinion represented an unfair regime. Unfortunately for them... they lost the battle! And it is arguably fortunate for them, that instead of destroying them God banished them to their own realm, which we now conceive of as Hell. Remember that THE WINNING SIDE WRITES THE HISTORY BOOKS and we have only God's word for it (the Bible) that He is the 'good guy' and that Satan/Lucifer is 'the bad guy'. It's always dangerous to accept something at face value when you have only the word of one person as to what happened. I'm not saying that anyone should "reject the Lord Jesus Christ" (because I know that's where you're headed with your inevitable retort) just that people shouldn't check their brain at the door, when thinking about or discussing faith in God. And remember, people should never confuse religion, with faith. God is God, religion is man!
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PDX Dave wrote:
The angel "Lucifer" and his followers rose up against God, were probably the same reasons 'rebel uprisings' occur anywhere; they disagreed with the incumbent government. In their eyes they were 'freedom fighters' and patriots, trying to overthrow the Lord God who in their opinion represented an unfair regime. Unfortunately for them... they lost the battle! And it is arguably fortunate for them, that instead of destroying them God banished them to their own realm, which we now conceive of as Hell. Remember that THE WINNING SIDE WRITES THE HISTORY BOOKS and we have only God's word for it (the Bible) that He is the 'good guy' and that Satan/Lucifer is 'the bad guy'. It's always dangerous to accept something at face value when you have only the word of one person as to what happened. I'm not saying that anyone should "reject the Lord Jesus Christ" (because I know that's where you're headed with your inevitable retort) just that people shouldn't check their brain at the door, when thinking about or discussing faith in God. And remember, people should never confuse religion, with faith. God is God, religion is man!
Being wise in your own eyes, you have become as a fool.
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Dec 7, 2013
 
Lucifer wasn't a 'robot'. He wasn't like the creatures around the Lord's Throne that were created solely for the purpose of continuously saying 'Holy holy holy! Lord God Almighty! Who was and is and is to come, the Almighty!...Holy holy holy!!!'....No, Lucifer was just like us in that he was created with the ability to discern. He was able to know RIGHT FROM WRONG. And he was able to know that it was WRONG to have thoughts of LYING ON THE LORD for the purpose of STEALING worship and praise that only the Lord was worthy of!! Yes, becoming the 'author of sin in God's unblemished universe' was something Lucifer had thought and thought and thought about over a certain period of time. And at some point, he decided that he was going to make his move.
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But what I DON'T believe Satan knew is that he was going to be told that he would eventually spend all of ETERNITY in a place called HELL. No, I don't believe that anyone in their right mind would do what he did knowing that the consequences would be AN ETERNITY IN HELL. But, he might have actually known that if he FAILED, that he would no longer be welcome in heaven. But I do believe that Almighty God STERNLY WARNED him, on several occasions, that there would be GRAVE CONSEQUENCES if he followed through on his sinful, evil, wicked plan to try to incite a rebellion against Him. How could someone so brilliant be so stupid at the same time? That's the REALITY of sin.

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I think Lucifer was a prick, plain and simple. Did he deserve to be banished to hell? Probably not. I think God should have demoted him to be one of Santa's elves or something. That would have been a better punishment.

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Of course your "god", being the omnipotent, omniscient being that he is reported to be would have known all about lucifer before he was created. He would have known what lucifer was going to do and did nothing to stop it.

So basically instead of blaming lucifier for what he did/does, you should blame your "god" for allowing lucifer to exist in the first place when he should have and could have prevented it in the first place.

Needless to say your 'god" or "lucifer" do not exist but since we are on your field and you have the bat and ball we will follow your rules of engagement for now.

And so now instead of saying something silly like "Being wise in your own eyes, you have become as a fool.", why don't you provide an answer as to why lucifer is allowed to exist if he is such a thron in "god's" side as well as mankind's AND why "god" created him in the first place.

Your turn..."Doc".

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Dec 9, 2013
 
thron = thorn
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Doctor REALITY wrote:
Why did Lucifer turn against the Lord??...Because he committed what many people today continue to commit: He COVETED what someone else had. And this case, that 'Someone' was the Lord Himself.
Please cite the verses in the OT that say that!

You are getting the Bible confused with the fictional works of Dante and Milton.
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Ben Adam wrote:
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Please cite the verses in the OT that say that!
You are getting the Bible confused with the fictional works of Dante and Milton.
You are of your father, the devil. And the deeds of your father you desire to do.

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Doctor REALITY wrote:
<quoted text>You are of your father, the devil. And the deeds of your father you desire to do.
In other words none of this crap is in the Bible.

OK

Feel free to lie about God and Jesus. You already have your reward.

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Dec 10, 2013
 
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Of course your "god", being the omnipotent, omniscient being that he is reported to be would have known all about lucifer before he was created. He would have known what lucifer was going to do and did nothing to stop it.
So basically instead of blaming lucifier for what he did/does, you should blame your "god" for allowing lucifer to exist in the first place when he should have and could have prevented it in the first place.
Needless to say your 'god" or "lucifer" do not exist but since we are on your field and you have the bat and ball we will follow your rules of engagement for now.
And so now instead of saying something silly like "Being wise in your own eyes, you have become as a fool.", why don't you provide an answer as to why lucifer is allowed to exist if he is such a thron in "god's" side as well as mankind's AND why "god" created him in the first place.
Your turn..."Doc".
I'm still waiting "DOc". Was my question too much for you to answer to? Are you still contemplating an answer? To me it is a simple question(s) with a simple answer:
"Provide an answer as to why lucifer is allowed to exist if he is such a thorn in "god's" side as well as mankind's AND why "god" created him in the first place."

Don't disappoint me, your credibility is hanging on your answer and so far it isn't looking good.

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Dec 10, 2013
 
Doctor REALITY wrote:
You are of your father the devil.
Regardless of who you think I am, this does not exempt you from trying to answer what was asked of you?

If you are scared then it is understandable but an answer one way or the other would be appreciated.

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Dec 10, 2013
 
Doctor REALITY wrote:
Atheist/son of Satan, God has not yet thrown your spiritual father, Satan the Wicked One, into the lake of brimstone and sulfur because his appointed time as not come.Satan and his demons are being allowed to play their role in the affairs of man because of the sins that exist in the human race. But make no mistake about it, your father will pay for his wickedness forever in hell. Carest thou to join him?.
This still does not answer why an omniscient being would have created such a creature. If you had the capability to create a creature that would create havoc amongst the other ones you created and cause them to do evil against one another, would you?

And also your answer brings about another question - Why would your "god" have allowed man to sin? If you have a child, would you allow that child to put it's hand on a hot burner or would you do what you could to prevent it?

Your answers make it look like your "god" is not a loving "god" but one who gets pleasure in seeing what he created to be in pain.

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Dec 10, 2013
 
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God creating Lucifer, even though God KNEW that Lucifer would turn against Him one day, does NOT mean that God was wrong for creating him. The Lord God created Lucifer TOTALLY HOLY!!! It was Lucifer who COVETED the praise and worship and adoration the Lord was receiving and got himself in trouble! The moral of the story?! That both human beings and angels would be responsible for the CHOICES they make! Just keepin, it REAL.
This comment further shows that your "god" is either not omniscient, omnipotent and all-powerful -OR- gets his rocks off on the pain and mistakes of others...though it is pointing to being both.

However if you have a different option as to what "god" is (other than a fairytale) I would be interested to hear about it.

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Dec 10, 2013
 
Doctor REALITY wrote:
God creating Lucifer, even though God KNEW that Lucifer would turn against Him one day, does NOT mean that God was wrong for creating him. The Lord God created Lucifer TOTALLY HOLY!!! It was Lucifer who COVETED the praise and worship and adoration the Lord was receiving and got himself in trouble! The moral of the story?! That both human beings and angels would be responsible for the CHOICES they make! Just keepin, it REAL.
And no, you are not "Just keepin, it REAL". You are embellishing on a fairy tale passed down through many generations and twisted so many different ways until it sounds good to whomever is telling the latest tale. There is nothing real about a "god", "lucifer" or "angels"...that is what you believe but your belief is a "faith" and not any form of actual, tangible proof.

Therefore "REAL" is not what you are "keepin" - it is a myth that you are "keepin".
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Doctor REALITY wrote:
Tell that to the Lord Jehovah Yahweh after you die.
You are THE worst self-appointed savior on Topix. The atheists mop the floor with you, yet you keep returning.
The only person convinced you're on a mission from god is yourself, and your miserable conversion rate attests to that. Hang it up...

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Dec 10, 2013
 
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Tell that to the Lord Jehovah Yahweh after you die.
LOL...I WIN!!! So much for your wanna-be evangelical career. You can't even answer simple questions that any average "person of god" could answer.
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LOL...I WIN!!! So much for your wanna-be evangelical career. You can't even answer simple questions that any average "person of god" could answer.
You are a child of Satan the devil.

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Doctor REALITY wrote:
<quoted text>You are a child of Satan the devil.
No, I am just someone who calls out religious BS from those who have a "look at me, look at me" religious addiction.

And just as there is not a "god", there is no "satan either. You are only scaring yourself into being a sheep.

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