Who is an atheist?

Who is an atheist?

There are 9499 comments on the The Sydney Morning Herald story from May 30, 2010, titled Who is an atheist?. In it, The Sydney Morning Herald reports that:

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LCNlin

United States

#9416 Aug 18, 2013
Science is silent on Atheism.
No proof what so ever!

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#9417 Aug 18, 2013
"Disbelief in God and immortality among NAS biological scientists was 65.2% and 69.0%, respectively, and among NAS physical scientists it was 79.0% and 76.3%. Most of the rest were agnostics on both issues, with few believers."

"Biological scientists had the lowest rate of belief (5.5% in God, 7.1% in immortality),"

Keep talking you stupid creationists, lets here your factless ignorance...

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#9418 Aug 18, 2013
LCNlin wrote:
Science is silent on Atheism.
No proof what so ever!
Creationism is silent on Creationism...proofless liars trying to prop up at en embarrassed 2005 cult.

Denial of science is not a belief system.
one cube parsec

Delhi, India

#9419 Aug 18, 2013
Ben_Masada wrote:
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I would like to agree with you but only if you can explain to us how did the universe cause itself to exist. If you don't know, it is only obvious that the Primal Cause is implied.
Define cause,
Then question your need to define it!

But for the human (like) mind, everything would be uncaused, and time would not exist.

“Putten the SIN ”

Since: Nov 08

back in Wisconsin

#9420 Aug 18, 2013
LCNlin wrote:
Science is silent on Atheism.
No proof what so ever!
Do we evidence in your lack of belief(ie atheism) in Thor??
one cube parsec

Delhi, India

#9421 Aug 18, 2013
gotnatas wrote:
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Do we evidence in your lack of belief(ie atheism) in Thor??
Atheism is not the lack of belief in god or anything else. That is twisting the word's meaning in a very harmful way as it lets in ambiguities and vagueness. THAT can be the start of another religion.

Atheism is just the position that a god does not exist. Why one holds that position, may be a belief or from reason (right or wrong).

To believe is to hold an argument as true without bothering with empirical or logical support. So many religious people too are not believers!

To not believe in the argument "God exists" is not atheism, nor is it agnosticism (which is not taking a position eitherway due to insuffcient information).

To not believe is RATIONALISM.
LCNlin

United States

#9422 Aug 18, 2013
gotnatas wrote:
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Do we evidence in your lack of belief(ie atheism) in Thor??
"Do we evidence" ?

Atheist often turn out to be Agnostics, no big deal,
Are you being defensive?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#9425 Aug 18, 2013
one cube parsec wrote:
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Atheism is not the lack of belief in god or anything else. That is twisting the word's meaning in a very harmful way as it lets in ambiguities and vagueness. THAT can be the start of another religion.
Atheism is just the position that a god does not exist. Why one holds that position, may be a belief or from reason (right or wrong).
To believe is to hold an argument as true without bothering with empirical or logical support. So many religious people too are not believers!
To not believe in the argument "God exists" is not atheism, nor is it agnosticism (which is not taking a position eitherway due to insuffcient information).
To not believe is RATIONALISM.
Wrong.

Atheism literally means "not theism" as in "without".
UidiotRaceMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#9426 Aug 18, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Wrong.
Atheism literally means "not theism" as in "without".
These war mongering right wing fundies religious Christain soldier boys/girls of US military are demented, and giving u hard time, i see. But you good in smacking then ignorance down to size and keeping them on their toes! Kudos for u Bob! BWHAHHAHAAa
one cube parsec

Delhi, India

#9427 Aug 18, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Wrong.
Atheism literally means "not theism" as in "without".
Are you saying agnosticism is a subset of atheism?
Then you would need another term for those people who say "God does not exist", wont you?

I think Atheists and Agnostics both are in the group of Non-theists.

[(theism = position that god exists,
so people who do not hold that position are those who either say "god does not exist" or those who say "I dont say god exists as I do not have enough info")

A-theism should have been defined as 'not theism', if english were a formal language and followed rational and CONSISTENT rules, but that is not reality and actual usage determines meanings whether loose or well defined]

So I'll go by the dictionary, rather than a rule that prefixing an 'a', is an opposite by exclusion, than by negation, as you purport.

In a formal language like sanskrit, prefix 'a' always denotes 'absence of' and prefix of 'na' meant not ~

xianity is EVIL

Wheatley, Canada

#9428 Aug 18, 2013
one cube parsec wrote:
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Atheism is not the lack of belief in god or anything else. That is twisting the word's meaning in a very harmful way as it lets in ambiguities and vagueness. THAT can be the start of another religion.
Atheism is just the position that a god does not exist. Why one holds that position, may be a belief or from reason (right or wrong).
To believe is to hold an argument as true without bothering with empirical or logical support. So many religious people too are not believers!
To not believe in the argument "God exists" is not atheism, nor is it agnosticism (which is not taking a position eitherway due to insuffcient information).
To not believe is RATIONALISM.
youre full of shyt,you must be xian

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism
LCNlin

United States

#9429 Aug 18, 2013
Richard Dawkins: trolling idiot

That tweet. Thursday August 8 2013 was the date when Richard Dawkins drank the bong-water of Twitter notoriety. Obviously, Dawkins was “simply stating an intriguing fact”. Facts never did any harm to anyone, right?

Who could be offended by plain old selectively-chosen facts, decontextualised and seemingly designed to casually dismiss the last 600 years of Islamic endeavour?

Who could be upset when an incredibly privileged white guy casually implies that a select body of other privileged white guys hold absolute authority in determining the human worth of an entire faith?

It’s not Richard Dawkins’ fault that he’s right and 1.57 billion Muslims are wrong, is it? Is it? Poor Richard…

http://junkee.com/the-five-ages-of-richard-da...

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#9430 Aug 18, 2013
one cube parsec wrote:
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Are you saying agnosticism is a subset of atheism?
Nope.

Agnostic literally means "without knowledge" or "without knowing".

It is usually used to mean "cannot know" or "it is impossible to know" and typically this is in context with gods or supernatural elements.

You can be both an atheist and an agnostic at the same time.

The atheist has no faith in gods, and the agnostic thinks it's impossible to know anything about gods.

Easy as pie.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#9431 Aug 18, 2013
one cube parsec wrote:
So I'll go by the dictionary,
As if a dictionary is some sort of projective authority?

If you want to know what the word "atheist" means?

ASK AN ATHEIST.

Do not ask an **theist**-- they do not know and refuse to understand.

A dictionary is simply a collection of the most **common** usages of a word.

Since there are more theists-- with their straw-man "definition" of what it means to **be** an atheist?

Their false definition gets into the dictionary along side the correct one.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#9432 Aug 18, 2013
one cube parsec wrote:
Then you would need another term for those people who say "God does not exist", wont you?
We have one already: they are called "theists", who falsely project this idea onto **all** atheists, regardless.
one cube parsec

Delhi, India

#9433 Aug 18, 2013
xianity is EVIL wrote:
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youre full of shyt,you must be xian
http://en .wikipedia .org/wiki/Atheism
The english word 'atheism' is not a well defined term, and the english language is not a formal language and has no rule that all words be well defined or even have just one meaning.

So it is the narrow sense described in the wiki article that most people use. The broad (more general) statement rejection of belief in god suggests a position exclusive to the statement "god exists", while the narrower sense described as saying god does not exist,(the sentence later) is a nagation of the belief in god.

I think a lot of the worlds problems have always been due to the inconsistencies of language. If only we had one single unique defination of atheism, or any other word really.

Maybe one day we will again understand the need to rationalized and formalize languages (like sanskrit was arrived at from palis and prakrits once upon a time). would help us prevent making ambiguous vague laws that leave loopholes, and also help us get rid of useless religions and specious philosophies too that can than be easily shown as false or meaningless.

A least there shud be 2 constraints- that all words be well defined, ie use only other well defined words, and every word have only one defination.

And your first assertion (accusing me to be a xian) is false, baseless, by both usages of the term.
JBH

Richmond, Canada

#9434 Aug 18, 2013
US HAS MORE HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES THAN MOST COUNTRIES.
US has put non-criminals doing no crimes in prison with no evidences. There have been more beat-up and torture of inmates in US prisons than anywhere else. In workplaces, more people and women have been treated with no rights very harshly. Corruption is rampant that management even defend employees stealing money from customers while denying customers rights. Workers, security guards have done more thefts of companies than people doing shop-lifting. Police without knowing who are who and their cultural background, focus on going to the wrong people--local legal citizens who speak English to abuse, rather than illegals smuggled in, outsider foreigner tourists like Chinese or others to commit spying and intellectual property piracy. Public places like malls, restaurants and so on, embrace bad people to associate for illegal activities, to put in constraints to local good citizens' rights of all walks of lives as US has been invaded by lots of new comers by taking people wrongly as they don't even know who are who anymore. US is just like a big zoo and jungle of human animals. Over time, US HAS STARVED MORE PEOPLE by placing them homeless other than Africa by saying it is a rich country with top 3% being super-rich.

US has more infant fatalities than in North Korea, but just points finger at NK all the time.
Yet, North Korea has not starved so many people than US, by still feeding the people. Obviously, using ordinary food to feed people is still better than nothing of the poorest in US.

US is not a true democracy as it was not called by numbers of votes but by the supreme court in the Gore and Bush election. So many voters use fraud IDs to vote and some use numerous IDS to do repeated voting. That majority say of Snowden case to G-20 summit, to use no gay issue to Sochi Olympics, to have war crime trial of Bush, and other issues, are never come to light, as there are so many hypocrites that would defy the democracy.
So many demonstrators against nuclear reactors and weapons, APEC conference, G-20 conference and other matters, have been arrested and some were beaten. There is such a wide degree of disgrace that people don't know and don't care in US while many are suffering.

As purely based on facts, it is US which just HAD developed a few atomic bombs about 8 months to 2 years before at that time, DROPPED ATOMIC BOMBS in WWII. THE MENTALITY WAS CRAZY TO SAVE TO SAY LIVES because they could have done that to Vietnam too. Yet, from the insanity, war criminal Bush said about nukes of North Korea. NK had developed a few more Nuke bombs already since 8 years ago, just like US at WWII days, and has done no use of nukes at all, while US did it upon possessing after just 1 year. Facts are such that there are more sentiments in US, which are not served, while less crimes, very few dissidents and people are put in jail and beat up or tortured in NK. As they call US democracy, what the difference is that there are less abuses, human rights oppressing, and majority in NK voice no resentment, compared to US. Who cares what they call communism and democracy, as facts show more people's voices in NK are served as they like it that way (just does not have election), than in US.
ON the basis of facts, just what the new leader of NK has done, as he had not lied to the world about WMD-Iraq, invaded no country as US did to a lot of countries , done no war crime, slaughtered no world population, etc.?

Facts are all facts. But just the constant bickering started from big wrongdoer lair Bush to this time with even blinded slaves as followers pointing at NK,these are big silly jokes, as people don't even come to human senses to realize who actually is the evil wrongdoer--like Bush, and the sickening propaganda from US.
JUST who would do evil liar war criminal as Bush says?
When cold war is over, IT IS TIME TO OPEN UP NORTH KOREA TO THE WORLD.
one cube parsec

Delhi, India

#9435 Aug 18, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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As if a dictionary is some sort of projective authority?
If you want to know what the word "atheist" means?
ASK AN ATHEIST.
Do not ask an **theist**-- they do not know and refuse to understand.
A dictionary is simply a collection of the most **common** usages of a word.
Since there are more theists-- with their straw-man "definition" of what it means to **be** an atheist?
Their false definition gets into the dictionary along side the correct one.
I rather have a unbiased source than either a theist or an atheist (what ever that is) source.

And I think one place where the fight between the theist and atheist should be in the dictionary (really language). A dictionary is taken as the authoritative reference for definitions for a language, expecially by children, and thus can well be used as a subtle tool for indoctrination.

Again, the need for rationalising languages in use so that they are more formal and thus more efficient can not be overstated. Onerous task, but totally worth it.

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Also if their false definition is rejected, we would need another word to reference the more generic group of non-theists.
one cube parsec

Delhi, India

#9436 Aug 18, 2013
one cube parsec wrote:
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A least there shud be 2 constraints- that all words be well defined, ie use only other well defined words, and every word have only one defination.
.
Correction

All words should be well defined ie definitions use only other well defined words...

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#9437 Aug 18, 2013
one cube parsec wrote:
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The english word 'atheism' is not a well defined term, and the english language is not a formal language and has no rule that all words be well defined or even have just one meaning.
If you want to understand what it means to be a Brain Surgeon?

Would you ask a bus driver?

No-- you'd ask an actual Brain Surgeon.

If you want to know what an atheist thinks about being an atheist, and what the word means? Ask them-- most atheists are happy to explain what it means to be an atheist in a mostly theistic world.

You certainly shouldn't ask a True Believer™ they have no clue what it means to be atheist.

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