prove that homosexuality is wrong.
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Gowanda, NY

#27667 Sep 18, 2013
[As] I live, saith the Lord GOD, Sodom thy sister hath not done, she nor her daughters, as thou hast done, thou and thy daughters.

49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

As God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighbour cities thereof, saith the LORD; so shall no man abide there, neither shall any son of man dwell therein.

Genesis 18:20 - And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;

Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;
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Gowanda, NY

#27668 Sep 18, 2013
Genesis 19

And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face

toward the ground;

And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant‘s house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on

your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night. And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his

house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat. But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom,

compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them. And Lot

went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. Behold now, I have two daughters which

have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; ; for therefore came

they under the shadow of my roof. And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we

deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door. But the men put forth their hand, and

pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door. And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that

they wearied themselves to find the door. And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever

thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place:

For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it. And Lot

went out, and spake unto his sons in law, which married his daughters, and said, Up, get you out of this place; for the LORD will destroy this city. But he seemed as

one that mocked unto his sons in law. And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are

here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city.

And while he lingered, the men laid hold upon his hand, and upon the hand of his wife, and upon the hand of his two daughters; the LORD being merciful unto

him: and they brought him forth, and set him without the city. And it came to pass, when they had brought them forth abroad, that he said, Escape for thy life;

look not behind thee, neither stay thou in all the plain; escape to the mountain, lest thou be consumed. And Lot said unto them, Oh, not so, my Lord:

Behold now, thy servant hath found grace in thy sight, and thou hast magnified thy mercy, which thou hast shewed unto me in saving my life; and I cannot escape to

the mountain, lest some evil take me, and I die: Behold now, this city is near to flee unto, and it is a little one: Oh, let me escape thither,(is it not a little one?) and

my soul shall live. And he said unto him, See, I have accepted thee concerning this thing also, that I will not overthrow this city, for the which thou hast spoken.

Haste thee, escape thither; for I cannot do any thing till thou be come thither. Therefore the name of the city was called Zoar. The sun was risen upon the

earth when Lot entered into Zoar. Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;

And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground. But his wife looked back from

behind him, and she became a pillar of salt.

And Abraham gat up early in the morning to the place where he stood before the LORD:
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#27669 Sep 18, 2013
And he looked toward Sodom and Gomorrah, and toward all the land of the plain, and beheld, and, lo, the smoke of the country went up as the smoke of a

furnace. And it came to pass, when God destroyed the cities of the plain, that God remembered Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow, when

he overthrew the cities in the which Lot dwelt. And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in

Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters.

And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth: Come,

let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night: and the

firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn

said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed

of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when

she arose. Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father. And the firstborn bare a son, and called his name Moab: the same is the father of

the Moabites unto this day. And the younger, she also bare a son, and called his name Benammi: the same is the father of the children of Ammon unto this day

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#27670 Sep 18, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
An English word in ancient Greek text?
Put up or shut up and quit wasting my time.
.
That's rich, because I'm not the one interpreting a biblical passage about celibacy and claiming that it pertains to gays and lesbians. Celibacy and homosexuality are two entirely different things. BTW, of course there's no English word in a Greek text. I just needed you to say that so you can be reminded that your interpretation I'd a matter of opinion. Hundreds of bible verses for str8 people and you have ONE that you happen to think applies to homosexuals. You can't equate being a eunuch (celibacy) with homosexuality merely because you have an unused vagina which you happen to feel is of lesbian origin. See, there's something else you've never been able to prove....com

You have yet to prove that Jesus said anything about gay people in the NT.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#27671 Sep 18, 2013
Dusty Mangina wrote:
<quoted text>
That's rich, because I'm not the one interpreting a biblical passage about celibacy and claiming that it pertains to gays and lesbians. Celibacy and homosexuality are two entirely different things. BTW, of course there's no English word in a Greek text. I just needed you to say that so you can be reminded that your interpretation I'd a matter of opinion. Hundreds of bible verses for str8 people and you have ONE that you happen to think applies to homosexuals. You can't equate being a eunuch (celibacy) with homosexuality merely because you have an unused vagina which you happen to feel is of lesbian origin. See, there's something else you've never been able to prove....com
You have yet to prfove that Jesus said anything about gay people in the NT.
Can't address the passage directly?

All you have is invalidated scoffing and. A hateful gay troll attack.

Fail.

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#27672 Sep 18, 2013
which were so born from their mother's womb;
meaning, not such who, through a natural temper and inclination of mind, could easily abstain from marriage, and chose to live single; but such who had such defects in nature that they were impotent, unfit for, and unable to perform the duties of a marriage state; who, as some are born without hands or feet, these were born without proper and perfect organs of generation; and such an one was, by the Jews, frequently called,(hmh oyro), "an eunuch of the sun F14": that is, as their doctors F15 explain it, one that from his mother's womb never saw the sun but as an eunuch; that is, one that is born so; and that such an one is here intended, ought not to be doubted. The signs of such an eunuch, are given by the Jewish F16 writers, which may be consulted by those, that have ability and leisure. This sort is sometimes F17 called (Mymv ydyb oyro) "an eunuch by the hands of heaven", or God, in distinction from those who are so by the hands, or means of men, and are next mentioned:

and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men:
as among the Romans formerly, and which Domitian the emperor forbid by a law F18; and more especially in the eastern countries, and to this day among the Turks, that they may the more safely be entrusted with the custody of their women; and this sort the Jews call (Mda oyro), "an eunuch of men", or (Mda ydyb), "by the hands of men". The distinction between an "eunuch of the sun", and an "eunuch of men", is so frequent with the Jews F19, and so well known to them, that a question need not be made of our Lord's referring to it:

and there be eunuchs which have made themselves eunuchs;
not in a literal sense, in which the words are not to be taken, as they were by Origen; who though otherwise too much pursued the allegorical way of interpreting Scripture, here took it literally, and castrated himself F20; as did also a sort of heretics, called Valesians F21, from one Valens an Arabian; and which practice is recommended by Philo the Jew F23, and by Heathen philosophers F24, for the sake of chastity. But here it means such, who having the gift of continency without mutilating their bodies, or indulging any unnatural lusts, can live chastely without the use of women, and choose celibacy

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#27673 Sep 18, 2013
Dusty Mangina wrote:
which were so born from their mother's womb;
meaning, not such who, through a natural temper and inclination of mind, could easily abstain from marriage, and chose to live single; but such who had such defects in nature that they were impotent, unfit for, and unable to perform the duties of a marriage state; who, as some are born without hands or feet, these were born without proper and perfect organs of generation; and such an one was, by the Jews, frequently called,(hmh oyro), "an eunuch of the sun F14": that is, as their doctors F15 explain it, one that from his mother's womb never saw the sun but as an eunuch; that is, one that is born so; and that such an one is here intended, ought not to be doubted. The signs of such an eunuch, are given by the Jewish F16 writers, which may be consulted by those, that have ability and leisure. This sort is sometimes F17 called (Mymv ydyb oyro) "an eunuch by the hands of heaven", or God, in distinction from those who are so by the hands, or means of men, and are next mentioned:
and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men:
as among the Romans formerly, and which Domitian the emperor forbid by a law F18; and more especially in the eastern countries, and to this day among the Turks, that they may the more safely be entrusted with the custody of their women; and this sort the Jews call (Mda oyro), "an eunuch of men", or (Mda ydyb), "by the hands of men". The distinction between an "eunuch of the sun", and an "eunuch of men", is so frequent with the Jews F19, and so well known to them, that a question need not be made of our Lord's referring to it:
and there be eunuchs which have made themselves eunuchs;
not in a literal sense, in which the words are not to be taken, as they were by Origen; who though otherwise too much pursued the allegorical way of interpreting Scripture, here took it literally, and castrated himself F20; as did also a sort of heretics, called Valesians F21, from one Valens an Arabian; and which practice is recommended by Philo the Jew F23, and by Heathen philosophers F24, for the sake of chastity. But here it means such, who having the gift of continency without mutilating their bodies, or indulging any unnatural lusts, can live chastely without the use of women, and choose celibacy
Finally, you made an effort!!!

It seems to me that your first and last point are unnecessarily similar.

Moreover, homosexuality is far more common than being born impotent.

Additionally in the context of the passage, it is highly unlikely Jesus would exclude homosexuals.

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#27674 Sep 18, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>

Additionally in the context of the passage, it is highly unlikely Jesus would exclude homosexuals.
Until Jesus verifies it with us, you can only assume that he was also referring to homosexuals. I happen to disagree with you and you have nothing more than an opinion.

Now, we're back to my original question;

What did Jesus specifically and intentionally say about homosexuality in the NT?

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#27675 Sep 18, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>

Additionally in the context of the passage, it is highly unlikely Jesus would exclude homosexuals.
Until Jesus verifies it with us, you can only assume that he was also referring to homosexuals. I happen to disagree with you and you have nothing more than an opinion.

Now, we're back to my original question;

What did Jesus specifically and intentionally say about homosexuality in the NT?
Just say the words and I'll let it go.....

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#27676 Sep 18, 2013
crickets....

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#27677 Sep 18, 2013
Dusty Mangina wrote:
<quoted text>
Until Jesus verifies it with us, you can only assume that he was also referring to homosexuals. I happen to disagree with you and you have nothing more than an opinion.
Now, we're back to my original question;
What did Jesus specifically and intentionally say about homosexuality in the NT?
Just say the words and I'll let it go.....
Your original assertion was that Jesus said nothing.

I gave an example that fits the context of the passage and the sexual morality of the OT and NT.

Just an additional note; Jesus modeled an option of marriage himself.

He's walked in your shoes.

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#27678 Sep 18, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Your original assertion was that Jesus said nothing.
And my original assertion stands.

You are unable to prove anything more than a possible inference. Hardly conclusive.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#27680 Sep 19, 2013
Dusty Mangina wrote:
<quoted text>
And my original assertion stands.
You are unable to prove anything more than a possible inference. Hardly conclusive.
"Eunuchs born that way."

Four words as he confirmed marriage between a man and a woman, and classic morality.

Your relationship will only ever be a mutually sterile, pointlessly duplicate gendered half of marriage.

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#27681 Sep 19, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
"Eunuchs born that way."
Four words as he confirmed marriage between a man and a woman, and classic morality.
Your relationship will only ever be a mutually sterile, pointlessly duplicate gendered half of marriage.
You should probably get a divorce, given that your marriage is now a sterile plural marriage. If you can't breed babies, you're not pleasing in God's eyes.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#27682 Sep 19, 2013
Dusty Mangina wrote:
<quoted text>
You should probably get a divorce, given that your marriage is now a sterile plural marriage. If you can't breed babies, you're not pleasing in God's eyes.
Your whole post is desperate foolishness.

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Since: Oct 07

Appleton WI

#27683 Sep 19, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Your whole post is desperate foolishness.
Not unlike your entire archive of posts.
dajokerman

Austin, TX

#27684 Sep 19, 2013
Not wrong nor right. Just abnormal behavior compared to all life on the planet. But other than that, sure, sodomy among men is perfectly normal. LOL

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#27685 Sep 19, 2013
Tre H wrote:
<quoted text>
Not unlike your entire archive of posts.
Once again, please be specific about what is foolish about any single point I make.

As usual, you will avoid the challenge.

SMile.

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#27686 Sep 20, 2013
Tre H wrote:
<quoted text>
Not unlike your entire archive of posts.
I'll pay that.

Since: Aug 11

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#27687 Sep 20, 2013
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
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I'll pay that.
I'll buy it. lol

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