Gun Control
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United States

#353 Jan 9, 2013
NRA's Wayne LaPierre, Jan 06

www.youtube.com/watch...

Piers Morgan and GOA's Larry Pratt, Jan 09

www.youtube.com/watch...
wowow

Pittsburgh, PA

#354 Jan 9, 2013
Hmmmm, seems that the Russian newspaper Pravda (the peoples voice for the former U.S.S.R.,) has weighed in on this debate;

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/2...
JESUS

Perth, Australia

#355 Jan 11, 2013
Elohimsokie wrote:
<quoted text>Jones is standing up for your rights, or would you rather not have eny. Do away with the Constitution and Bill of Rights. No more free speech , shut down the net, STHU.
Yes. Anyhing to stop you stupid bloody americans crapping on about your "constitootion" and boring the rest of the world with that ridiculous 'right to bear arms' bullshit. Meanwhile your kids are are still getting blown away in your schools. What a retarded nation.
Elohimsokie

Broken Bow, OK

#356 Jan 11, 2013
Elohimsokie wrote:
Do away with the 2nd and the rest. No free speech. Shut the net down. STHU.
Sarcasim,
Elohimsokie

Broken Bow, OK

#357 Jan 11, 2013
JESUS wrote:
<quoted text> Yes. Anyhing to stop you stupid bloody americans crapping on about your "constitootion" and boring the rest of the world with that ridiculous 'right to bear arms' bullshit. Meanwhile your kids are are still getting blown away in your schools. What a retarded nation.
Jesus your a hypocrit,you told your diciples to sell their coat and buy a sword,Luke 22-36
Force Majeure

Sweden

#360 Jan 12, 2013
Danzig wrote:
...the problem is that people are confused. When that problem is corrected, guns won't even be an issue....
Forum carlsbad nm wrote:
<quoted text>'
No one needs guns. We need food, shelter and clothing.
You are both right!
Tell Me

Winder, GA

#361 Jan 12, 2013
The Conn. shooting caused the renewed pressure to control guns. There is no rational reason to pass any law that would not prevent what happened in that incident. Register guns, gun checks at shows or among private sales were not the problem. Banning 30 round clips or Ar-15's were not the problem because the killer obtained them illegally. You cannot legislate this problem away. It has not worked in the past and will not in the future. If guns are outlawed and confiscated, there will be fewer out there. It I believe will be comparable to drugs. I think it will be just as easy get a gun as it is easy to get drugs. Of course we outlawed drugs and you can see how well our government has handled that. Have alcohol laws stopped the "bathtub gin" days or prevented drunk driving deaths? What kills more drugs and alcohol or guns? We don't need another underground enterprise such as illegal gun trade in this country. Drugs have filled our prisons and guns banned will do it.
Tell Me

Winder, GA

#362 Jan 12, 2013
Banning guns will needlessly fill our prisons and add additional debt to our government. We cannot keep borrowing forever. Clinton and Obama are responsible for the majority of guns in the hands of citizens in his country, I believe. What was going to happen was very predictable. Every time gun rights are threatened there is an enormous increase in gun sales. These laws will only create more crime unfortunately. If they are serious about trying to prevent what happened to these kids from happening again (if it is possible to be prevented) they must put politics aside and forget trying to legislate problems away. Those cures have failed miserably. I heard there were 2000 plus gun laws already. Do you think they going to get it right on attempt number 2001?
Force Majeure

Sweden

#363 Jan 12, 2013
Tell Me wrote:
..... You cannot legislate this problem away...... I think it will be just as easy get a gun as it is easy to get drugs...... Have alcohol laws stopped the "bathtub gin" days or prevented drunk driving deaths?
"Bathtub" guns are less reliable, less accurate, hence less safe. Do everything you can to eliminate "real" guns PLUS give your population an education, jobs and fair wages. If you do only that the rest will take care of itself.

Why do Americans defend the idea for some to become Gazillionairs at the same time there are others without job, no food, and no housing - yet complain about the criminal aspect of society as if it's "their own fault"?

Crime is the profession of the unemployed, guns are his tools of trade.
Elohimsokie

Broken Bow, OK

#364 Jan 12, 2013
Forum carlsbad nm wrote:
<quoted text>'
No one needs guns. We need food, shelter and clothing.
Only what God wants for us to have. Man made guns to kill.
The Indians only had arrows. There is no problem.
We all want to live. Jesus did tell his disciples to sell
their coat and buy a sword. Why didn't they help him?
Chickens.
The swords protected them until he went to the cross. Peter cut off a mans ear in the garden. Yahshua's (jesus) mission was the cross.
If the Indians had the same type weapons as the white man things would have been diffirant.
Self defence is a divine and natural law.
Tell Me

Winder, GA

#365 Jan 12, 2013
Force Majeure wrote:
<quoted text>
PLUS give your population an education, jobs and fair wages. If you do only that the rest will take care of itself.
Why do Americans defend the idea for some to become Gazillionairs at the same time there are others without job, no food, and no housing - yet complain about the criminal aspect of society as if it's "their own fault"?
Crime is the profession of the unemployed, guns are his tools of trade.
If Obama and Congress would quit spending us into oblivion and sending our jobs overseas the outlook of the young people who are committing these crimes would improve to some degree. The crime problem is not as simple as you make it. For some criminals it is their fault. No doubt about it, that's their choice. Mental illness of one form or the other has a large place in crime. It is complicated and will not be eliminated by man. As far as the rich people go if they make their money legally, more power to them. We are not a socialist government yet, although the Democrat party would like to lead us in that direction, especially under Obama. I think this gun debate is actually a diversion by Obama to keep from dealing with the financial mess he has created in the past four years. If you again look at the Connecticut situation which these so leaders of ours say they want to prevent what was the cause for these guns to be in the home????? And what would have prevented them from being there although they were perfectly legal? The killer murdered his own mother and stole the guns, obviously he was mentally ill. But why did the mother have the guns? Because of the same reason this country is armed to the tooth today. Because of reckless spending of our government the mother feared a financial collapse and societal breakdown. Many agree with her and likewise because of the financial shape our country is in and the threat of Clinton and Obama and other democrats, more guns than ever in our history have been placed into the hands of our citizens. Obama instead of trying to get his house in order and remove fear of our country collapsing does what when he isn't blowing our money on vacation? He comes up with nothing to deal with our real problem (economy) and instead wastes even more of our money hoping to register our guns and will cause more expense with checks and so forth. Absolutely nothing to do with preventing another tragedy. More to do with a socialist agenda than anything because they have not addressed a single problem that caused this incident.
Say the Truth

Lansdale, PA

#366 Jan 12, 2013
Horce Maneure wrote:
<quoted text>
"Bathtub" guns are less reliable, less accurate, hence less safe. Do everything you can to eliminate "real" guns PLUS give your population an education, jobs and fair wages. If you do only that the rest will take care of itself.
Why do Americans defend the idea for some to become Gazillionairs at the same time there are others without job, no food, and no housing - yet complain about the criminal aspect of society as if it's "their own fault"?
Crime is the profession of the unemployed, guns are his tools of trade.
Spoken like a true progressive useful idiot.
Say the Truth

Lansdale, PA

#367 Jan 12, 2013
Tell Me wrote:
<quoted text>If Obama and Congress would quit spending us into oblivion and sending our jobs overseas the outlook of the young people who are committing these crimes would improve to some degree. The crime problem is not as simple as you make it. For some criminals it is their fault. No doubt about it, that's their choice. Mental illness of one form or the other has a large place in crime. It is complicated and will not be eliminated by man. As far as the rich people go if they make their money legally, more power to them. We are not a socialist government yet, although the Democrat party would like to lead us in that direction, especially under Obama. I think this gun debate is actually a diversion by Obama to keep from dealing with the financial mess he has created in the past four years. If you again look at the Connecticut situation which these so leaders of ours say they want to prevent what was the cause for these guns to be in the home????? And what would have prevented them from being there although they were perfectly legal? The killer murdered his own mother and stole the guns, obviously he was mentally ill. But why did the mother have the guns? Because of the same reason this country is armed to the tooth today. Because of reckless spending of our government the mother feared a financial collapse and societal breakdown. Many agree with her and likewise because of the financial shape our country is in and the threat of Clinton and Obama and other democrats, more guns than ever in our history have been placed into the hands of our citizens. Obama instead of trying to get his house in order and remove fear of our country collapsing does what when he isn't blowing our money on vacation? He comes up with nothing to deal with our real problem (economy) and instead wastes even more of our money hoping to register our guns and will cause more expense with checks and so forth. Absolutely nothing to do with preventing another tragedy. More to do with a socialist agenda than anything because they have not addressed a single problem that caused this incident.
Obama proclaimed that he would fundamentally change the United States.

First order of business: control the health care of the citizenry

Second order of business: disarm the citizenry.
Force Majeure

Sweden

#368 Jan 12, 2013
Tell Me wrote:
<quoted text>If Obama and Congress would quit spending us into oblivion and sending our jobs overseas the outlook of the young people who are committing these crimes would improve to some degree. The crime problem is not as simple as you make it. For some criminals it is their fault. No doubt about it, that's their choice. Mental illness of one form or the other has a large place in crime. It is complicated and will not be eliminated by man. As far as the rich people go if they make their money legally, more power to them. We are not a socialist government yet, although the Democrat party would like to lead us in that direction, especially under Obama. I think this gun debate is actually a diversion by Obama to keep from dealing with the financial mess he has created in the past four years. If you again look at the Connecticut situation which these so leaders of ours say they want to prevent what was the cause for these guns to be in the home????? And what would have prevented them from being there although they were perfectly legal? The killer murdered his own mother and stole the guns, obviously he was mentally ill. But why did the mother have the guns? Because of the same reason this country is armed to the tooth today. Because of reckless spending of our government the mother feared a financial collapse and societal breakdown. Many agree with her and likewise because of the financial shape our country is in and the threat of Clinton and Obama and other democrats, more guns than ever in our history have been placed into the hands of our citizens. Obama instead of trying to get his house in order and remove fear of our country collapsing does what when he isn't blowing our money on vacation? He comes up with nothing to deal with our real problem (economy) and instead wastes even more of our money hoping to register our guns and will cause more expense with checks and so forth. Absolutely nothing to do with preventing another tragedy. More to do with a socialist agenda than anything because they have not addressed a single problem that caused this incident.
I must agree with most of what you say, but then again you're pretty much saying the same thing I said except that you have a better understanding of "the details" than I do.

So let me ask you:

1). You say that Obama is "sending our jobs overseas". Is that what he's doing?

2). You say, "The crime problem is not as simple as you make it." I don't think I'm making it sound simple but I do think that crime is fundamentally a "some have and some don't" situation and I firmly believe that seeing to it that Americans have a fair chance to succeed and a safety net if they don't will cut crime by a HUGE margine.

3). You say, "As far as the rich people go if they make their money legally, more power to them." I only agree with that to a point. There is no good excuse for any government to have filthy rich while others have doodly squat. Don't forget that what you call "making their money LEGALLY" is often a corrupt notion in a country of "have and have not". In other words why is "X" legal in the first place? Lower TAXES for the rich may be the simplest example of a corrupt law.

4). You say, "I think this gun debate is actually a diversion by Obama to keep from dealing with the financial mess he has created in the past four years." Perhaps you're right. But I keep thinking about how he's wanted to make medical aid for everyone his priority - and he's been booo-ed for it. He's fighting an uphill battle with some very powerful and influential opponents against him. Maybe I'm naïve, but I think Obama is the best the U.S. has seen. I don't live in the U.S.(although I have) but I think the American population are too easily side-tracked by sensationlism over stupid things like Obama's birth place and all of that crap. Americans aren't very savvy about politics and international affairs, still seeing everything in "with us or against us" terms.
Cisco Kid

Columbia, CA

#369 Jan 12, 2013
Say the Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Obama proclaimed that he would fundamentally change the United States.
First order of business: control the health care of the citizenry
Second order of business: disarm the citizenry.
Add to your list the purposeful collapsing of the economy creating high unemployment making people depend on a large central government.

These are all tactics that can be easily found in Karl Marx's Manifesto on how to instill socialism in a capitalistic society.

Socialism is the half-way house to communism.
Force Majeure

Sweden

#370 Jan 12, 2013
Crisco Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
Socialism is the half-way house to communism.
You're in the maintenence shed of idiocy. Fostering it and keeping it alive.
Elohimsokie

Broken Bow, OK

#371 Jan 12, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
Add to your list the purposeful collapsing of the economy creating high unemployment making people depend on a large central government.
These are all tactics that can be easily found in Karl Marx's Manifesto on how to instill socialism in a capitalistic society.
Socialism is the half-way house to communism.
Out with the old in with the new. The nanny state is here. But the tit is going to dry up fast.
Tell Me

Winder, GA

#372 Jan 12, 2013
Force Majeure wrote:
<quoted text>

3). You say, "As far as the rich people go if they make their money legally, more power to them." I only agree with that to a point. There is no good excuse for any government to have filthy rich while others have doodly squat. Don't forget that what you call "making their money LEGALLY" is often a corrupt notion in a country of "have and have not". In other words why is "X" legal in the first place? Lower TAXES for the rich may be the simplest example of a corrupt law.
Making money in a "moral" manner would have been a better way of saying what I meant. The rich and middle class are the taxpayers in this country. The poor pay nothing. This so called tax on the rich was for what? In the same bill that raised taxes on the rich it spent over 70% of that revenue raised from the rich on tax breaks for Obama supporters. You never heard a thing about it until after the bill was passed. Do we need to be giving tax breaks to Hollywood, NASCAR, or General Electric? I would like to see fair tax laws. One reason jobs have left this county is our politicians have allowed them to. They also have allowed loop holes for corporations and so on because of political donations. The free cell phone companies are supposedly owned by a Obama supporter George Sores, I have read before.
Force Majeure wrote:
<quoted text>4) But I keep thinking about how he's wanted to make medical aid for everyone his priority - and he's been booo-ed for it. He's fighting an uphill battle with some very powerful and influential opponents against him. Maybe I'm naïve, but I think Obama is the best the U.S. has seen. I don't live in the U.S.(although I have) but I think the American population are too easily side-tracked by sensationlism over stupid things like Obama's birth place and all of that crap. Americans aren't very savvy about politics and international affairs, still seeing everything in "with us or against us" terms.
A natural born citizen is a requirement for the office of president. It is not a small matter. I think Obama was the most unqualified candidate for president we had ever had run for office. I do believe he has some problems with his birth certificate. No one would spend that much money keeping it from being released especially in his first campaign. He had the lead in the last few weeks but it was close . He still did not release it. That convinced me he was hiding something. He could have blown the conspiracy nuts out of the water by showing it. It hurt Obama not showing it and that made me believe he was hiding his birth place. It surfaced again in his reelection and Leon Pennita was sent to Hawaii. I don't believe it was real for a second. Pennita returned to a promotion.

There has always been a safety net for healthcare in this country and it works well. The problems with Obama care are to big to go into but I believe you have fallen for the White House hype. It is a forced tax upon us, that's all. It was pushed through with no debate or thought as to the future of what the plan may end up doing to our healthcare system or our economy.
Tell Me

Winder, GA

#373 Jan 12, 2013
Forgot a link about the tax on the rich.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/tim-carney-tax-...
Force Majeure

Sweden

#374 Jan 12, 2013
Tell Me wrote:
<quoted text> Making money in a "moral" manner would have been a better way of saying what I meant. The rich and middle class are the taxpayers in this country. The poor pay nothing. This so called tax on the rich was for what? In the same bill that raised taxes on the rich it spent over 70% of that revenue raised from the rich on tax breaks for Obama supporters. You never heard a thing about it until after the bill was passed. Do we need to be giving tax breaks to Hollywood, NASCAR, or General Electric? I would like to see fair tax laws. One reason jobs have left this county is our politicians have allowed them to. They also have allowed loop holes for corporations and so on because of political donations. The free cell phone companies are supposedly owned by a Obama supporter George Sores, I have read before.
I agree with you. The only comment that needs to be made is on your sentence, "One reason jobs have left this county is our politicians have allowed them to. "ALLOWED TO"? Come on. With big business and the government in a circle jerk I think "allowing" is a gross misrepresentation of the facts. To say that government "encourages" businesses to move to other countries might be a slight exagerration but it's a closer ball-park description than to say "allows". With gigantic kick-backs from those businesses to American politicians, "allowing" has nothing to do with it. It's called legal corruption.
Tell Me wrote:
<quoted text>A natural born citizen is a requirement for the office of president. It is not a small matter.
I find it frustratingly insane that Americans can continue pursuing this "birth certifice" scam yet accept the official WTC 7 version of its collapse. It's like saying that conspiracy theories are ballderdash unless it suits one's prejudices.
Tell Me wrote:
<quoted text>I think Obama was the most unqualified candidate for president we had ever had run for office.
So you do not believe that Bush cheated in Florida leading to his first term or are you saying he that did cheat but it was a lesser crime than anything Obama is alledged to have done?
Tell Me wrote:
<quoted text>There has always been a safety net for healthcare in this country and it works well.
It doesn't seem to work very well at all. Otherwise huge reforms wouldn't be needed.
Tell Me wrote:
<quoted text>The problems with Obama care are to big to go into
I'm sure you're right about that. And as I said I can imagine that you understand the details much better than I.
Tell Me wrote:
<quoted text> I believe you have fallen for the White House hype.
I disagree with that. Bush & Co. invested a whole lot of speech-making to discredit Michael Moore's film "SICKO" and to slander Moore's admiration for socialist-style health care. I've heard what Bush and Rumsfeld have had to say on the subject. Well, I'm from Sweden and I've lived in Norway & Germany (among other countries) and I'm familiar with our system of health care. I'm here to say that there is nothing better than what we've achieved. I am sure that such things as rare and little understood illnesses can be better treated by American-style doctoring by the fact that the U.S. spends much more money in research. But the quality of medical care "over here" is no less professional than any of the high-tech countries once new and modern standards have been established. The difference is - as is no doubt clear - we are offered that same high quality for "free" (note the quotation marks).

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