Homeschool vs Traditional School

Homeschool vs Traditional School

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“The Harv”

Since: Mar 07

Western North Carolina

#1 Mar 9, 2007
What is your thoughts on Homeschooling vs Traditional schooling (be it public or private)?

Since: Dec 06

coquille

#2 Mar 9, 2007
every home school kid ive met has been well educated and responcible. most have life skills and problem solving.

traditional school kids for the most part are better socalized but are not responcble and have no life skills; problem solving seems to be blame it on someone else.

“Listen with an open mind ”

Since: Mar 07

Asheville, NC

#3 Mar 9, 2007
For the most part I think homeschooled kids are better educated than kids in public schools
little birdie says

United States

#4 Mar 9, 2007
I began in public school , had some problems (lazy). Spent a year in home school , returned to public school and was placed up one grade . Attended public school for another year and dropped out.
I choose not to socialize . I believe most do . It isn't that we can't socialize we simply choose not to .Probably because our priorities are different .
At this point I am considering home school for my own children . As a precautionary measure .

“The Harv”

Since: Mar 07

Western North Carolina

#5 Mar 9, 2007
little birdie says wrote:
I began in public school , had some problems (lazy). Spent a year in home school , returned to public school and was placed up one grade . Attended public school for another year and dropped out.
I choose not to socialize . I believe most do . It isn't that we can't socialize we simply choose not to .Probably because our priorities are different .
At this point I am considering home school for my own children . As a precautionary measure .
Precautionary measure against what?
little birdie says

Cresson, TX

#6 Mar 9, 2007
Against losing all influence over my children and for their safety . I feel like the public school system is over populated and understaffed .

“The Future has Returned!”

Since: Jan 07

Lauderdale-by-the-Sea, Florida

#7 Mar 10, 2007
little birdie says wrote:
Against losing all influence over my children and for their safety . I feel like the public school system is over populated and understaffed .
True, quite true. Also take into account that the public educations school in America is also under-prepared. You'd be shocked as to how many elementary and even middle and high school teachers out there barely graduated high school themselves, and later got a certificate (NOT THE SAME AS A DEGREE!) in order to be able to teach.
The problem is that basic education in the U.S. is still largely underfunded, with teachers barely making over minimum wage nowadays. The only way education can improve is if the educators improve, which will only be achieved if, and only if, teacher salaries are attractive enough to lure college graduates back into the classrooms to teach.
I have personal experience in this matter: my mother, an engineer with two masters degrees - one of them in Education, all from leading American universities, still earned just above minimum wage when teaching Biology, English and ESL at private Catholic high school for almost 10 consecutive years! I myself substitute at a local school, and am shocked at how low the wages are for the people who are educating children, the leaders of tomorrow!
The only reason public school education is bad, is because only a few teachers are truly good themselves. As for home-schooling, it is a good alternative in terms of learning quality and perhaps quantity, but it lacks two very important aspects of socialization: team work and peer criticism (giving it and receiving it), tools which are of paramount importance, if not essential, for survival in the real world.

Since: Jan 07

Indianapolis, IN

#8 Mar 14, 2007
To their credit, public schools have done an excellent job in teaching our children to sell wrapping paper, popcorn, and cookie dough.

Since: Jan 07

Indianapolis, IN

#9 Mar 14, 2007
To their credit, public schools have done an excellent job in training our children to sell wrapping paper, popcorn, and cookie dough.

“Dream a little dream with me”

Since: Dec 06

Peoria, Arizona

#10 Mar 14, 2007
Each has advantages and faults.

Personally, I prefer homeschooling for elementary, and public for higher. I am not a fan of middle schools or junior highs.

Since: Mar 07

Carmel Valley, CA

#11 Mar 14, 2007
I understand the need for social skills.I have seen alot of homeschoolers who are part of social groups made up of other homeschoolers who get together for activities and exercise.Most home schooled children i have met could hold their own with an average adult at a much younger age than their public school counterparts.They where incredily mature and yet where able to be children also.Most of the bad press HS'ers get is just myth and fear.

Since: Feb 07

Miami-The Magic City

#12 Mar 14, 2007
I have a few friends who home school their children, and I notice they lack some social skills compared to other children. They do not shy away but get overly excited when with other kids, and problematic at the few party's they go to. I think social interaction is a major influence in children growing up. I went to public school up until middle school then went to a private school. My children will attend private school when they reach middle school also. I think being social and competitive is what will mold a child more than feeling like they are being over protected.

scout

Since: Feb 07

Berkeley, CA

#13 Mar 14, 2007
I've taught public school beginning in '71 for two decades with my last teaching year in 2000. Age ranging from 6th to 12th, compartmentalized.

Without a doubt I've witnessed the total destruction of the educational process. The tight educational organization that we had ended in the early 70's into a chaos of permissiveness and idiocy.

The demise of our ed. institution is NOT totally grounded within the education system, but endemic within all our institutions.

Our mothers want to work and have others raise their children. I wouldn't let someone else teach my dogs one thing, yet our mothers now abuse their children by having strangers do day care. They are so foolish that they wonder why their children will not learn or follow their directions, and then extend that foolishness by asking the teachers why we can't make their children behave and learn. They fail their children by refusing to understand that the parent is the teacher, and the public teachers are extensions of the parent.

I could go on forever, but you get my point: if I were to have children, home schooling all the way up to college exams. Hire a tutor for the hard math when necessary. We have the net and plenty of libraries, and a whole lot of homeschooling guidance.

Public schools teach children only one thing: how to love a culture trash.

Young parents, you have the most difficult job in the world. Husbands, study your wives, and wives, understand your husbands. The children will watch this even if they appear not to be paying attention. The above is the foundation, and don't forget the Bible.

“Compromise yourself for no one”

Since: Dec 06

Cajun Country

#14 Mar 14, 2007
I've been against home schooling for some time. But that's not to say I'm an advocate for public schooling.

I think home schooling is too much of a molding process. Most of the kids turn out to be exact replica's of their parents with their ideas about the world, politics, religion and such. And this is usually not a good thing. There is not much free thinking going on.

But having said that, I have a daughter in 9th grade public schools and it's turning out to be a disaster.
All of the moral and values we've taught her are going right out of the window.
The peer pressure of living everyday with the 'rich' kids is a bit overwhelming. Of course, she denies this but when you pull into the parking lot, 16 yr olds are driving BMW's, Hummers, Jags, Mercedes, etc.
The kids are dropped off at the mall for a babysitter and go to school with their PSP's and iPod's and have absolutely no respect for authority. They are making out in the halls, always on the lookout for drugs or weapons. I'm personally scared for my daughter's future.
We are considering a boarding school of sorts just to get her out of this big city public school frame of mind.

Also, they can't read or spell. And they are not marked off on spelling either.

IMO, I see this "No child left behind" BS and I'm outraged.

Our government is pumping out idiots for graduates with little to no comprehension. This will, in the long run, force dependence. When they are dependant, what happens, they need the government. If our kids are mass produced to be idiots depending on the government, what does that make us??? We are quickly becoming a dictatorship. I am worried.

“Wait til next year”

Since: Dec 06

Brooklyn NY USA

#15 Mar 14, 2007
Manx wrote:
What is your thoughts on Homeschooling vs Traditional schooling (be it public or private)?
I suppose that would depend on who is doing the homeschooling, no?
I can't argue that it is an increasingly attractive alternative option, given the massive epidemic of pervert school teachers sexually abusing kids in our public schools.
Skip Setahi

Houston, TX

#16 Mar 14, 2007
Either one it doesn't matter, as long as we are educating our children on the dangers of illegal immigrants. This war on terror is the most serious problem of the present, and more importantly the future.

Since: Feb 07

Miami-The Magic City

#17 Mar 14, 2007
aLifeUncommon wrote:
I've been against home schooling for some time. But that's not to say I'm an advocate for public schooling.
I think home schooling is too much of a molding process. Most of the kids turn out to be exact replica's of their parents with their ideas about the world, politics, religion and such. And this is usually not a good thing. There is not much free thinking going on.
But having said that, I have a daughter in 9th grade public schools and it's turning out to be a disaster.
All of the moral and values we've taught her are going right out of the window.
The peer pressure of living everyday with the 'rich' kids is a bit overwhelming. Of course, she denies this but when you pull into the parking lot, 16 yr olds are driving BMW's, Hummers, Jags, Mercedes, etc.
The kids are dropped off at the mall for a babysitter and go to school with their PSP's and iPod's and have absolutely no respect for authority. They are making out in the halls, always on the lookout for drugs or weapons. I'm personally scared for my daughter's future.
We are considering a boarding school of sorts just to get her out of this big city public school frame of mind.
Also, they can't read or spell. And they are not marked off on spelling either.
IMO, I see this "No child left behind" BS and I'm outraged.
Our government is pumping out idiots for graduates with little to no comprehension. This will, in the long run, force dependence. When they are dependant, what happens, they need the government. If our kids are mass produced to be idiots depending on the government, what does that make us??? We are quickly becoming a dictatorship. I am worried.
Have you ever thought of a good private school, maybe a prep school? Of course it would not be a religious one, but there are many. I went to a prep school and undergrad college was a breeze for me because we had covered college material in high school. I still got to go home to my parents. Another advantage is smaller class rooms and close-nit friends. I am still close to all my high school friends 10 years later.

scout

Since: Feb 07

Berkeley, CA

#18 Mar 14, 2007
aLifeUncommon wrote:
But having said that, I have a daughter in 9th grade public schools and it's turning out to be a disaster.
All of the moral and values we've taught her are going right out of the window.
The peer pressure of living everyday with the 'rich' kids is a bit overwhelming. Of course, she denies this but when you pull into the parking lot, 16 yr olds are driving BMW's, Hummers, Jags, Mercedes, etc.
The kids are dropped off at the mall for a babysitter and go to school with their PSP's and iPod's and have absolutely no respect for authority. They are making out in the halls, always on the lookout for drugs or weapons. I'm personally scared for my daughter's future.
We are considering a boarding school of sorts just to get her out of this big city public school frame of mind.
Also, they can't read or spell. And they are not marked off on spelling either.
IMO, I see this "No child left behind" BS and I'm outraged.
Our government is pumping out idiots for graduates with little to no comprehension. This will, in the long run, force dependence. When they are dependant, what happens, they need the government. If our kids are mass produced to be idiots depending on the government, what does that make us??? We are quickly becoming a dictatorship. I am worried.
I am sorry to hear about your daughter; and I have been very worried for a long time. Just comparing the tough teachers of the 60's to the soft teachers of today makes me shudder in despair.
OK. Now you touched upon a subject that I've suspected: is the power elite of our culture intentionally dumbing down people? Look at our schools: that's a yes. But simply look at the caliber of TV programing comparing one decade to the next: and you have your answer. We are not only being dumbed down, but made infantile in everyway.
Your fear of children coming out like their parents, and lacking 'free thinking,' due to homeschooling is without merit. And I do hear this false criticism. What do you want? Kids learning trash from each other, which they learn from the media, or learning valuable skills from their parents?
Remember, with the possible exception of the very rich, sending children to school is historically new. Parents always taught the children; when children failed to behave, it reflected the parents, as it well should.
Ancient Romans sent their rich kids to Greek teachers; yet, even these kids were held accountable and got their ass kicked if they misbehaved. My point here is that once we left the Biblical standard of behavior, for teachers, the pagan religion of humanism also removed the one prop of teaching: discipline. Without discipline kids do not learn much beyond the informal baby gangster stuff.
I get upset with the idiot industrial guys, like computer nerds, Gates and Jobs, that, without having a clue as to the above, prod the government to make schools accountable.
We may not like it, but the only way to make schools accountable is to invoke the tough school discipline rule. Those children that fail to control their behavior must NOT be allowed to stay in school. It's not about how many graduate, but about quality of education. If parents fail to raise their children correctly, then they must find other means to educate the children.
The government then must step in and forge a path for the kids lacking drive, be in vocational, military school, etc. They can not be cut loose to terrorize the public with crime, etc.
The above will elicit negative responses from the power elite; all detractors must be ignored and the courts must not stop the true ed process from gaining speed.
Simultaneously, the public must be weaned from the TV. All violence and adultery and fornication and sexed up trash must stop, and TV and media made about as boring to the young mind as possible. Culture trash must not be allowed to hide behind the 'freedom' cover, as this is not what the Constitution is about.

“Compromise yourself for no one”

Since: Dec 06

Cajun Country

#19 Mar 14, 2007
Eyes Open wrote:
<quoted text>
Have you ever thought of a good private school, maybe a prep school? Of course it would not be a religious one, but there are many. I went to a prep school and undergrad college was a breeze for me because we had covered college material in high school. I still got to go home to my parents. Another advantage is smaller class rooms and close-nit friends. I am still close to all my high school friends 10 years later.
I have. The school we have chosen that would be the best fit for her academically and behaviorally is going to cost $3000 a month. Most of these privately funded schools do. I don't have that kind of money. I don't qualify for the loans because I can't legally marry so they will not count my partner's income. There are no government programs to assist with placements.
But when she becomes so defiant and starts breaking the law, someone will inevitably say "where were the parents". Well there are some of us good parents out there who can't get the help we need to make sure our kids are being taught with good morals and values along with positive self esteem, accountability, reliability. Why? Because we both have to work full time and we do the best we can every evening. But once she's at 'school' it's a social playground. Nothing more.

I'm angry and saddened and losing hope.

“The Harv”

Since: Mar 07

Western North Carolina

#20 Mar 14, 2007
scout wrote:
I've taught public school beginning in '71 for two decades with my last teaching year in 2000. Age ranging from 6th to 12th, compartmentalized.
Without a doubt I've witnessed the total destruction of the educational process. The tight educational organization that we had ended in the early 70's into a chaos of permissiveness and idiocy.
The demise of our ed. institution is NOT totally grounded within the education system, but endemic within all our institutions.
Our mothers want to work and have others raise their children. I wouldn't let someone else teach my dogs one thing, yet our mothers now abuse their children by having strangers do day care. They are so foolish that they wonder why their children will not learn or follow their directions, and then extend that foolishness by asking the teachers why we can't make their children behave and learn. They fail their children by refusing to understand that the parent is the teacher, and the public teachers are extensions of the parent.
I could go on forever, but you get my point: if I were to have children, home schooling all the way up to college exams. Hire a tutor for the hard math when necessary. We have the net and plenty of libraries, and a whole lot of homeschooling guidance.
Public schools teach children only one thing: how to love a culture trash.
Young parents, you have the most difficult job in the world. Husbands, study your wives, and wives, understand your husbands. The children will watch this even if they appear not to be paying attention. The above is the foundation, and don't forget the Bible.
Well said. If these things happened then the public schools could probably be an OK place.

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