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Does Metal Music cause people to do bad things like murder and Suicide??

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“why did I miss this?”

Since: May 07

lapeer, Michigan

#1 Aug 8, 2007
Hi, many of you know me on some of these threads. My name is Jim.
I am doing a research paper on Metal Music and whether it is the cause of bad things that people do, that listen to it.
Several teen suicides have been blamed on the music from bands such as Judas Priest and Ozzy Osbourne. The bands were sued by the families of the victims.
A man was murdered in the "Mosh Pit" of a Korn concert.
A metal Band called The Beasts Of Satan were committed of murder in three ritual murders.
The guitarist of Pantera and Damageplan was gunned down during a live performance by a "fan" of his Metal Music before being killed by a police officer.
So the question is "Does Metal Music cause people to do these horrendous acts?"
I would appreciate a "YES" or "NO" answer, plus any information you would like to add, ESPECIALLY personal first hand information you may have on the subject.
I will be conducting this study over the next 6 days and collecting the final data so I can insert it in my research paper.
Thank You for anyone that can help me complete this task. I will tell you all exactly how I feel on the subject after my research paper is completed, although I already a strong opinion.
The info above can be found at these sites:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4507294.stm

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2006/08...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,140955,00...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/italy/story/0,12576...

“268th Attack Hel Bn”

Since: May 07

AH-1S Cobra

#2 Aug 8, 2007
Sure I'll contribute, NO I don't think using music as an excuse for criminal acts is a valid defense. It's like saying the voices in your head told you to do it. That is just mental instability. I have listened to metal from Black Sabbath to Iron Maiden(SP) and I have never thought it was making/telling me to do any thing except maybe shake my head up and down to the beat. I feel it's all part of the "It's not my fault" mentality that prevades our society. There ya go.

Since: May 07

Spokane, WA

#3 Aug 8, 2007
No. Kinda like guns don't kill people. People kill people. I think the same thing applies here. Music doesn't kill, people do! Suicide being linked to music, whatever. There has always got to be someone or something to blame. Chemical imbalance and mental illness is what causes suicide, and not getting the help you need, be it counseling or medical treatment. I think that music can influence in some ways like the kind of mood your in. Happy with some, Sad with others, but I don't believe it make enough of an impact to be the trigger point, to lead someone to kill, thy already have that inclination in them. It's like when you work out to fast pace music, because it pumps you up. Or when you're driving along and a song you like is on, you look down to notice your speeding. I think there are subtle influences music can provide, but I truly don't believe that the music itself can cause be blamed for such a travesty.
These people need to take some responsibility for their own actions and quit passing the buck! This was something thought up by physicians and lawyers to make themselves more money. Just my opinion, but hey you asked, right!

“Peace to All”

Since: Jun 07

Knoxville

#4 Aug 8, 2007
Jimwings when I first started to think about this my intial reaction was no. I believe that you should be stronger in the mind then that. Then I thought about how certain music makes one feel. How it can affect your mood. Some songs can make you cry, while others are very uplifting and can raise goosebumps on your arms. Every time I hear the song Smooth even I an older woman just wants to start moving her old body like she was young again. It's hard not to. How some songs bring back memories and even the smells you felt when you first heard the song. The first song you hear when you find that special someone. I would have to say that I think that someone who was not strong and had problems in the first place and was really into a certain group and advocated and emulated the music could be led to do things that maybe they would not do otherwise. But I also think that a healthy normal person would not. So I guess I am saying it depends on the person. Sorry I guess I am not much help.
MYLO

Chicago, IL

#5 Aug 8, 2007
jimwings wrote:
Hi, many of you know me on some of these threads. My name is Jim.
I am doing a research paper on Metal Music and whether it is the cause of bad things that people do, that listen to it.
Several teen suicides have been blamed on the music from bands such as Judas Priest and Ozzy Osbourne. The bands were sued by the families of the victims.
A man was murdered in the "Mosh Pit" of a Korn concert.
A metal Band called The Beasts Of Satan were committed of murder in three ritual murders.
The guitarist of Pantera and Damageplan was gunned down during a live performance by a "fan" of his Metal Music before being killed by a police officer.
So the question is "Does Metal Music cause people to do these horrendous acts?"
I would appreciate a "YES" or "NO" answer, plus any information you would like to add, ESPECIALLY personal first hand information you may have on the subject.
I will be conducting this study over the next 6 days and collecting the final data so I can insert it in my research paper.
Thank You for anyone that can help me complete this task. I will tell you all exactly how I feel on the subject after my research paper is completed, although I already a strong opinion.
The info above can be found at these sites:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4507294.stm
http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2006/08...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,140955,00...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/italy/story/0,12576...
no i don't think it can be blamed on music!

The Big Time

“Runs Like a Deere”

Since: Jan 07

Forest Park, GA

#6 Aug 8, 2007
My opinion is No,

damage to the Brain causes those acts......

Research Links Brain Damage & Violent Crime -- USC Studies Point To Underlying Causes Of Violent Crime In Young Offenders

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1997/09/...

NEW CLUES TO THE CAUSES OF VIOLENCE

http://www.violence.de/bylinsky/article.html
Lisa

AOL

#7 Aug 8, 2007
Well Jim, I have listened to metal for most of my life, starting as far back as say 1980ish until now. I have never had even a remote desire to kill anyone, and I have had quite a hard life, filled with many many people over the years who hurt me badly enough that if I were so inclined, they just might have bit it. I think though, that if one were a drug user, and their thoughts were constantly in a state where some of the messages from the music were really able to leak in, on another level, and mess with their minds, that the potential for harm might be there. Perhaps you might want to research the difference between a conscious mind and an altered mind, and the difference the effects may be. When you're out of it, the subconscious is more impressionable and receptive to suggestion. Sort of like a self hypnosis.
MPMARTIN

Mercer Island, WA

#8 Aug 8, 2007
Jimwings,

I know I'm putting my neck on the chopping block here, but WTF! In this day and age it seems that people are looking for some excuse for inappropriate behaviour. So now we have all these "experts" with terms like PMS, PPD, PTSS, etc, etc.
It seems like people will find any excuse to behave badly if they can hang a tag on it. Whatever happened to just being responsible for your own actions??? Anyway, I'm sure I just commited PC suicide here, so'I'll quite while I have a chance

BLT

Since: Apr 07

Holland, MI

#9 Aug 8, 2007
Personally I do not think Metal contributes to murder and or suicide. Rap on the other hand in a lot of cases by it's lyrics does encourage crime and gang activity and dehumanizing attitudes toward women.
MYLO

Chicago, IL

#10 Aug 8, 2007
MPMARTIN wrote:
Jimwings,
I know I'm putting my neck on the chopping block here, but WTF! In this day and age it seems that people are looking for some excuse for inappropriate behaviour. So now we have all these "experts" with terms like PMS, PPD, PTSS, etc, etc.
It seems like people will find any excuse to behave badly if they can hang a tag on it. Whatever happened to just being responsible for your own actions??? Anyway, I'm sure I just commited PC suicide here, so'I'll quite while I have a chance
i agree with every word you said! couldn't have said it better myself! gotta get back to work!

“You are all brainwashed!”

Since: May 07

Zombie Town USA

#11 Aug 8, 2007
I have been listening to all kinds of music, including metal, most of my life. I have never had a violent thought against another person, place or thing. People do things and blame it on music, religious practices, because they don't fit in,because of other people and their influence on them,because of drugs or insanity. But in the end those are all just scapegoats to take emphasis off the real problem at hand and that is the person who committed murder or suicide. They are the one to blame. It is the cell that is shared by your shadow and not those outside elements.
So I would have to disagree.
Lisa

AOL

#12 Aug 8, 2007
I just heard some song coming from my neighbors back yard that made me want to kill myself. Some kind of a hillbilly love song. So there you have it. It's COUNTRY music that's the culprit, not metal.
CodeVeronica

Pueblo, CO

#13 Aug 8, 2007
NO! Metal is my music of choice, and I have been to more metal concerts than I could count. True, mosh pits can get kind of wild, but if you don't like that kind of thing, stick to seats or standing in the back. I've fallen down quite a few times in mosh pits, and no sooner than I hit the ground, there are 6-8 big guys picking me back up. People are always looking to blame something for the evils of this world, and I don't think metal music is it.
Lisa

AOL

#14 Aug 8, 2007
I keep seeing people from Michigan all over the place on here. I'm from the Detroit area.

“You are all brainwashed!”

Since: May 07

Zombie Town USA

#15 Aug 8, 2007
Lisa wrote:
I just heard some song coming from my neighbors back yard that made me want to kill myself. Some kind of a hillbilly love song. So there you have it. It's COUNTRY music that's the culprit, not metal.
Feel like killing myself, or atleast puncturing my ears with meat skewers when I hear country music too.

“Now I know how strong I can be”

Since: May 07

Marthastown

#16 Aug 8, 2007
IMO no music doesn't "make" you do anything. It may put you on a certain mood, but that's it. Maybe violent people are attracted to violent lyrics, but they'd be violent with or without it.

Side note Jimwings, my son is studying classical music at university and When Beethoven was around young unmarried virgins couldn't listen to him because he "stirred" them up too much. I think it was Beethoven, anyway certain people have been blaming stuff on music for a long time.

GunShowOnTheNet

“Shall NOT be infringed.”

Since: Dec 06

Phoenix, AZ.

#17 Aug 8, 2007
No. Although, Lucifer was the leader of the angels in song and praise to God. Do believe that it can be used seductively. But, it all depends on the spirit that dwells in the heart of the listener.

There are actually some very spiritual messages in many heavy metal pieces. Then of course there's a lot of garbage and meaningless drool as well.
MPMARTIN

Mercer Island, WA

#18 Aug 8, 2007
GunShowOnTheNet wrote:
No. Although, Lucifer was the leader of the angels in song and praise to God. Do believe that it can be used seductively. But, it all depends on the spirit that dwells in the heart of the listener.
There are actually some very spiritual messages in many heavy metal pieces. Then of course there's a lot of garbage and meaningless drool as well.
Speaking of meaningless drool, how ya doin Gunshow? everything ok down there in Phoenix?

GunShowOnTheNet

“Shall NOT be infringed.”

Since: Dec 06

Phoenix, AZ.

#19 Aug 9, 2007
MPMARTIN wrote:
<quoted text>
Speaking of meaningless drool, how ya doin Gunshow? everything ok down there in Phoenix?
Go to hell punk.

“got waves???”

Since: Jul 07

right behind you

#20 Aug 9, 2007
Hey jim!! very cool subject matter.I 'll be waiting to hear the results.I was wondering if you have any intention of including Allister Crowley in your research? I have mixed feelings on this,as music is a very powerful thing,and some minds are more impressionable than others.One of my favorite bands on the planet is TOOL, which as Im sure you know,is known for some very dark music. However,Maynard James Keenan, the lead singer(also a perfect circle)has been incredible in his journey of self,thier latest album,10,000 days is really about his relatoinship with God.The music is heavy and fast,but with lirics like; "the devil and his had me down,in love with the dark side Id found.dabbling all the way down,up to my neck soon to drown.But you changed that all for me,lifted me up,turned me round"its pretty inspirational to me.On the other hand,Ben Harper is always inspiring me w/ his music,I think i am more aware of being kind to my fellow man when i listen to him so it works both ways,maybe?thanks bro,peace!

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