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Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#572 Jan 22, 2013
jay --- Examples of aid given to African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).--- Since White-Americans are Americas numerically dominant majority & since White-Americans pay the most in taxes.--- White-Americans have been & are currently disproportionately paying for the African Americans who are on welfare & other entitlements.

Examples of aid given to African Americans at the grassroots level.----

Among the respective White-American groups, Jewish-Americans have especially done a lot to help & empower African Americans. Jewish-Americans played a very critical & pivotal part in the formation of the National Association Advancement Colored People (NAACP), National Urban League (NUL), Congress of Racial Equality (CORE) & the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC) organizations.

Jewish-Americans played a very critical & pivotal part in the sustaining of all of these African American organizations.

Jewish-Americans also gave a lot of assistance to the 1960s African American "Civil Rights Movement". Primarily in the form of monetary donations & legal aid.

In addition, back in the 1960s, many Jewish-Americans who lived in the northern US states. These Jewish-Americans traveled down to the southern US states. To confront the Jim Crow laws which the southern US states had in place back then.

Examples of aid which the US federal government had given to African Americans.--- From the 1960s till now, African Americans have been given preferential treatment in the areas of aid, job hiring, set asides, college & university admissions.

From the 1960s till now, African Americans have received trillions & trillions of dollars in aid in these respective forms.-- Welfare, housing aid, rent assistance, heat assistance, health care aid, educational aid, free school lunches, food stamps, TANF, Section 8, AFDC, WIC, phone bill aid, transportation aid, legal aid, child care, day care, foster care, affirmative action/quotas, set asides & federal jobs.

So, White-Americans at the grassroots level have more than done their fair share to help & empower African Americans.

United States (US) governmental entities at the federal, state & local levels have more than done their fair share to help & empower African Americans.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#573 Jan 22, 2013
jay --- You said "Considering the the US was built almost enirely with unfree labour".--- With all due respect, totally not true.

Picking cotton didn't build anything. Whatever profits which the southern slave owners made, these profits were wiped out by 1865.

Whatever "good" which the African American slaves did, this "good" has been more than nullified due to African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) very bad behavior, actions & attitudes from 1964 till now.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#574 Jan 22, 2013
jay --- You said "before thank god the white's got bored of feeding and housing us and instead built machines that cost even less to run".--- You are absolutely correct about this.

Yes, way, way back, when the Institution of legal slavery was in operation in the United States (US).--- The US federal government deciding to phase out legal slavery was NOT due to any ethical barometers.

The US federal government deciding to phase out legal slavery was due to American big banking & big business interests.

The US president back then, Abraham Lincoln & pretty much all of the Democrat & Republican politicians in Washington D.C. back then.--- They did NOT consider the African American slaves to be "equal".

Examples of this.---- 1. Lincoln made a comment during his presidency where he said --- "That the only way that Whites & Negroes (Lincoln used the term negroes to describe the black Americans) could & would be able to get along would be if they'd be an ocean apart".

2. There was an incident during Lincolns presidency where he was watching some young African American kids doing a theatrical play. Lincoln made an outward comment where he said ---"Ha, are these little monkeys funny".

In addition, Lincoln, & pretty much all of the Democrat & Republican politicians in Washington D.C. back then were in favor of rounding up & deporting African Americans. But, when the US Civil War ended & due to Lincolns assassination.

Most of all, due to the high financial costs which would have been involved of rounding up & deporting African Americans, the deportation plan was then shelved.

So, the newly "freed" African Americans were to used as a cheap labor supply in agriculture & industry. Possibly, as a voting bloc.

Had the deportation plan went forward, these areas would have taken in the deported African Americans.--

The nation of Haiti & areas in what are now the present day nations of Guyana, Belize & Panama.

The deported African Americans who were due to be deported to Panama were destined to construct a canal. This was decades before work began on the canal in Panama back in 1904.

But, the main nation which was to take in most of the deported African Americans was the black African nation of Liberia. Liberia was actually created by the US federal government back in 1821. This was decades even before the US Civil War happened.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#575 Jan 22, 2013
jay ---- You said "the Spanish lurve the architecture and things that the Omayyads and Almoravids brought over, but that's obviously because they got to conquer (not reconquer) this land and take what they liked culturally and reject the rest".---

Your point here was in reference to you saying that the Moors were black Africans.

SOME of the Moors were black Africans.

The vast majority of the Moors were Arabs & Berbers.

Here are a few links which point this out.---

1. http://www.angelfire.com/md/8/moors.html .

2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors .

3. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-48417... .

Again, SOME of the Moors were black Africans.

The black African Moors, which comprised of SOME of the soldiers in the Moor ranks.--- These respective black African Moors came from areas in the western African nations of Senegal & Mali.

But, these particular areas in Senegal & Mali are NOT where African Americans ancestors came from.

Most of the Moors were Arabs & Berbers. The links which I provided in my post here shows this.

The areas in Africa where the Moors came from are way, way far north from where African Americans ancestors came from. In the western (Running longitude) & central part (Running latitude) of Africa.

So, the Arabic Moors, the Berber Moors & even the black Moors came from totally DIFFERENT civilizations & cultures. From what African Americans ancestors came from.

In addition, the Arabic Moors, the Berber Moors & even the black Moors had totally different customs, cultures & norms. From what African Americans ancestors had.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#576 Jan 22, 2013
jay --- You said "because their development was sooooo far behindo ther established societies around the world. western europe really did struggle with an identity crisis as african societies had long established cultures".---

Uh, was this a legitimate error on your part? Or, part of a deliberate trolling attemp?

FACT is that Western & Eastern European societies & cultures are way, way older than black African societies & culture.

MOST of all, Western & Eastern European societies & cultures were achieving technological breakthroughs. Way, way, way BEFORE any respective black African society & culture ever achieved any technological breakthrough.

In my next post, I'll list many examples of this.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#577 Jan 22, 2013
jay -- Examples.--- Which show that White Western & Eastern European societies & cultures. Also, a very, very ancient White society & culture which existed in what is now the present day American state of South Carlina.--- Achieved technological breakthroughs way, way, way BEFORE any respective black African society & culture did.

Here are the examples.---

1. For the very, very ancient White Scandinavian peoples.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_Stone_Age .

2. For the very, very ancient people who lived in the territory which comprises of the present day Republic of Ireland & Northern Ireland.---

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_Irel... .

3. For the very, very ancient people who lived in the territory which comprises of the present day nation of Poland.---

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistory_of_Po... .

4. For the very, very ancient people who lived in the territory which comprises of the present day nation of France.---

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistory_of_Fr... .

5. For the very, very ancient people who lived in the territory which comprises of the present day nation of the United Kingdom (UK).---

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_Brit... .

6. For the very, very ancient people who lived in the territory which comprises of the present day nation of Slovakia.---

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Slova... .

7. For the very, very ancient people who lived in the territory which comprises of the present day nation of Estonia.---

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Estonia .

8. For the very, very ancient people who lived in the territory which comprises of the present day nation of Serbia.---

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/india-new... .

Two last examples.---

1. Very, very ancient & advanced (For the time) White-European people.--- The Bog people.--

http://www.bogpeople.org/bog_uk/index.html .

2. An example of very, very ancient & advanced (For the time) White people who lived in what is now the present day American state of South Carolina.---

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topper_ (archaeological_site).

Each & every one of these very, very ancient White societies & cultures achieved technological breakthroughs. Way, way, way BEFORE any respective black African society or culture.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#578 Jan 22, 2013
jay --- I have to step out now. I still have to address your previous points about Africa being the birthplace of all humans. That Africa is the region as the basis for all people.

Hopefully, I should have some time by Saturday. Either way, I'll definitely get back to you.

Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#579 Jan 23, 2013
jay --- In regards to your previous post,#530. Your points here.---- You said "1. Historians of the white variety often try to make out that because Africans had slavery contracts and a tightly controlled state regulated version that it was carte blanche (hee hee) for the europeans to do so".--- Actually, this is not what is at work.

Whenever White historians write or talk openly about slavery, White historians are pointing out ALL of the dynamics which were involved when slavery was very widespread throughout the whole world.

Looking at slavery in its entirety.

Examples of this.--- Way, way BEFORE any Whites ever traveled to any respective black, sub-saharan African nation.---- There was PLENTY of rivalry between rival, black African tribes.

Way before any Whites ever traveled to Africa, African Americans ancestors were ALREADY enslaved. African Americans ancestors were already enslaved by rival, black African tribes.

African Americans ancestors were already enslaved by these rival, black African tribes was because they were the losers in battle to these rival, black African tribes.

This is why African Americans ancestors were enslaved by these rival, black African tribes.

These black African empires who sold African Americans ancestors to the Whites.--- These black African empires were ALLIES of the Whites. The black African tribal chiefs VERY openly & very willingly sold African Americans ancestors to the Whites.

American slavery was WAY more humane compared to black African slavery.

Had the Whites not purchased African American ancestors, they would have been neutralized at the hands of these rival, black African tribes.

Years before slavery was to be ended in the nations of this hemisphere ((United States (US), nations of the Caribbean, Central America & South America)).--- Black African tribal chiefs sent representatives to these nations. To try to talk them out of banning slavery.

Black African tribal chiefs did this because they were profiting from the slavery trade.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#580 Jan 23, 2013
jay --- You said "In the US the protestant vs catholic thing was another bizarre issue showing that whites were either unsure of what it meant tobe white or wanted an even smaller group of homogenous people to be the only whites. so they were racist to their own peoples because they thought they weren't white".--- Most of what you typed up here, you are 150% right on the mark.

Except, the rivalry between the United States (US) respective European-American groups wasn't mainly "religious based". It was ethnically based.

But, over time, these European-American ethnic groups were accepted by Americas English-Americans who controlled the means of production & who made the policies as being "White".

In my next post, I'll list examples of this.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#581 Jan 23, 2013
jay ---- Examples.--- In the United States (US), from 1776 till 1865, German-Americans, Jewish-Americans, Greek-Americans, Spanish-Americans, French-Americans, Swedish-Americans, Italian-Americans, Sicilian-Americans & Irish-Americans were not considered or accepted as being "White".

By 1865, Swedish-Americans, German-Americans & French-Americans were considered & accepted as being White.

From 1865 till 1930, Jewish-Americans, Irish-Americans, Italian-Americans & Sicilian-Americans were not considered White by English-Americans who controlled the means of production & who made the policies in the US.

Italians, Sicilians, Jews & Irish in this nation experienced hardships.

Examples.--- 1. Italians & Sicilians were discriminated against in the areas of housing & jobs.

Many Italians & Sicilians were even lynched throughout the US. Primarily in the states of Florida, Louisiana & Colorado.

Many times, Italians & Sicilians were lynched on just the suspicion that they were members or associates of the "Black Hand".

2. Jews & Irish experienced hardships.

Jews & Irish were discriminated against in the areas of housing & jobs.

Way back, there used to be signs in the windows of restaurants in Manhattan & Boston which said.--"No dogs, no cats, no Jews, no Irish & no rats allowed".

But, from 1910 till 1920, English-Americans who controlled the means of production & who made the policies in the US could see the very growing businesses of the Italians, Sicilians, Jews & Irish.

The English-Americans who controlled the means of production & who made the policies could also see the potential of having Italians, Sicilians, Jews & Irish as a critical voting bloc.

So, from 1920 till 1923, the English-Americans who controlled the means of production & who made the policies started the process of giving Italians, Sicilians, Jews & Irish a path to "Whiteness" in this nation.

By 1930, Italian-Americans, Sicilian-Americans, Jewish-Americans & Irish-Americans were fully accepted as being White.

By 1940, Spanish-Americans & Greek-Americans were fully accepted as being White.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#582 Jan 23, 2013
jay --- You said "Look how whites co-opted Ancient Greece".--- Clearly, Greeks are not White Anglos.

But, Greeks are still White-Europeans.

Granted, in the United States (US), from 1776 till 1940, Greek-Americans were not considered or accepted as being "White".

But, from 1940 till now, Greek-Americans have been fully considered & accepted as being White.

How Americans racially classify with the US federal government census is what MATTERS.

In Europe, Greeks are considered White.

In the US, Greek-Americans are considered White.

This is what matters.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#583 Jan 23, 2013
jay --- You said "That whites went on a genocidal tour around the globe".--- There are members within EVERY racial & ethnic group which are capable of evil & violence.

The REASON why black African societies & cultures didn't undertake military ventures across the oceans or seas, is because they didn't have the military means to do so.

It wasn't due to any ethical or moral barometers.

It was due to black African societies & cultures not having the military means to undertake any such military ventures across the oceans or seas.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#584 Jan 23, 2013
jay wrote:
culture robbing white were capable of.
__________

Whites have done PLENTY to help the nations of the developing world. Especially to help the black, sub-saharan African nations.

Here are examples.--- 1. Whites have built roads.

2. Whites built railways.

3. Whites built the urban infrastructures. Especially the urban infrastructures of black African nations.

4. Whites built schools.

5. Whites built hospitals.

6. Whites built airports.

7. Whites cultivated fields.

8. Whites improved agriculture.

9. Whites improved the farming methods.

10. Whites provided fresh water.

11. Whites built reservoirs.

12. White provided clothing. Primarily shoes, pants & dresses.

13. Whites provided school books.

14. Whites improved sanitation.

15. Whites provided medicines.

16. Whites built industries.

17. Whites cultivated the raw materials.

So, looking at ALL of the things which Whites have done to help the nations of the developing world. Especially to help the black, sub-saharan African nations.--- Whites SURE have empathy towards other races.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#585 Jan 23, 2013
jay --- Your last two sentences here.--- You said "Africa is the birthplace of all humans. Africa is the region as the basis for all people".---

From 1974 till 1996, this was the general consensus among anthropologists. This theory is known as the "Out of Africa" theory.

But, from 1996 till now, many very, very ancient human skeletal remains have been found in Asia & Europe.

These very, very ancient human skeletal remains which have been found in Asia & in Europe are way, way older. Than the very ancient human skeletal remains which have been found in Africa.

From 1996 till now, the consensus among archaeologists, paleontologists, paleoanthropologists, stratigraphists & paleoecologists ISN'T towards the Out of Africa theory.

It is towards the "Multiregional Hypothesis" or towards the "Polygenist Hypothesis".

In my next post, I'll list many examples which totally DEBUNK the Out of Africa theory.

Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#586 Jan 23, 2013
jay --- Clearly, very old human skeletal remains have been found in Ethiopia.

Very old human skeletal remains have been found in the other East African nations of Kenya & Tanzania.

Very old human skeletal remains have been found in the southern African nation of South Africa.

But, WAY, WAY older human skeletal remains have been found in Asia & in Europe.

Here are many examples of this.---

1. Very, very ancient human skeletal remains found in China.--- 2.04 million years old.

http://www.weirdasianews.com/2007/11/20/wusha... .

2. Other very, very ancient human skeletal remains which were found in China.--- 2 million years old.

http://english.cntv.cn/program/cultureexpress... .

http://www.kaogu.cn/en/detail.asp... .

So, the very, very ancient human skeletal remains which were found in China are way, way older than the human skeletal remains which were found in Africa.

Other examples.---

3. The findings of the Java Man. On the Indonesian island of Java.--- At least 1.81 million years old.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_Man .

4. The findings of the Dmanisi Man. In what is in the present day nation (Former Soviet Republic) of Georgia.--- At least 1.81 million years old.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmanisi .

5. The findings of Homo floresiensis (Hobbits). On the Indonesian island of Flores.--- At least 840,000 years old.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_floresiensi... .

6. The very, very ancient human skeletal remains found at the Qesem Cave. Near Rosh Ha'Ayin, Israel.--- At least 400,000 years old.

Each & every one of these very, very ancient human skeletal remains are way, way OLDER than the human skeletal remains which have been found in Africa.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#587 Jan 23, 2013
jay ---- Other examples. An observation.--- These very, very ancient human skeletal remains have been found in very different & FAR REMOVED areas from each other.

The descriptions of the skeletons & the physical builds which these very, very ancient humans had were very different & distinct from each other.

This shows that all human life forms did NOT originate in Africa. This DEBUNKS the Out of Africa theory.

Here are more examples.---

7. Very, very ancient human skeletal remains found at the Calico Early Man Site. Near Barstow. In San Bernardino, California.--- At least 500,000 years old.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calico_Early_Man... .

8. Very, very ancient human skeletal remains found at Cuxton, England.--- At least 200,000 years old.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuxton .

9. Very ancient human skeletal remains found at Lake Mungo. At New South Wales, Australia.--- The Mungo Man.---- At least 68,000 years old.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Mungo_remai... .

10. The very ancient human skeletal remains found at the Topper archaeological site. Located in the present day American state of South Carolina.--- At least 50,000 years old.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topper_ (archaeological_site).

11. The very ancient human skeletal remains found at Monte Verde. Located near Puerto Montt. In the South American nation of Chile.--- Going back to 33,000 BC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monte_Verde .

12. The very ancient human skeletal remains found at the Yamashita limestone cave. Near Naha. On the Japanese island of Okinawa.--- The Yamashita Cave Man.--- At least 32,000 years old.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamashita_Cave_M... .

13. The very ancient human skeletal remains found at the Pinza-Abu Cave. Near Ueno. On the Japanese island of Miyako.-- The Pinza Cave Man.--- At least 30,000 years old.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinza-Abu_Cave_M... .

14. The very ancient human skeletal remain found in the present day European nation of Portugal.---The Lapedo Child.--- At least 24,500 years old.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapedo_child .

15. Very ancient human skeletal remains found at Cactus Hill. Located in the region of southeastern Virginia, United States (US).--- 19,700 years old.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cactus_Hill .

16. Very ancient human skeletal remains found at the Meadowcroft Rockshelter. Located near Avella, in Washington County. In southwestern Pennsylvania, US.--- 19,000 years old.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meadowcroft_Rock... .

Each & every one of these very, very ancient human skeletal remains have been found in very different & FAR REMOVED areas from each other.

The descriptions of the skeletons & the physical builds which these humans had were very different & distinct from each other.

So, NOT all human life forms originated or developed in Africa.

Human life forms originated & developed INDEPENDENTLY from each other. Very far removed from each other.

In very different areas of the planet.
LATIN ASIA Vibe

United States

#588 Jan 23, 2013
Johnny wrote:
<quoted text>
__________
Whites have done PLENTY to help the nations of the developing world. Especially to help the black, sub-saharan African nations.
Here are examples.--- 1. Whites have built roads.
2. Whites built railways.
3. Whites built the urban infrastructures. Especially the urban infrastructures of black African nations.
4. Whites built schools.
5. Whites built hospitals.
6. Whites built airports.
7. Whites cultivated fields.
8. Whites improved agriculture.
9. Whites improved the farming methods.
10. Whites provided fresh water.
11. Whites built reservoirs.
12. White provided clothing. Primarily shoes, pants & dresses.
13. Whites provided school books.
14. Whites improved sanitation.
15. Whites provided medicines.
16. Whites built industries.
17. Whites cultivated the raw materials.
So, looking at ALL of the things which Whites have done to help the nations of the developing world. Especially to help the black, sub-saharan African nations.--- Whites SURE have empathy towards other races.
How charitable The US takes more from the world than gives back bu plundering ,stealing killing, ruining , bullyig and taking over other nations resources...

Bleo is partial list as not include US perpetual ugly war history on its people and on the world since the inception of US militaristic Imperialist intervenionistic Empire upto no good, no wander US is wealthy as take more from the world then give back , centuries of wars on the world.


UNITED STATES Wars And INTERVENTIONS SINCE 1945:
MILITARY INTERVENTIONS, COVERT OPERATIONS, COUPS AND ATTEMPTED COUPS, ELECTION INTERFERENCE, REGIME CHANGE, COLOR REVOLUTIONS
Hiroshima and Nagasaki (Japan), Philippines, South Korea, Lebanon, Iran, Guatemala, Cuba, Congo/Zaire, Brazil,
Greece, Poland, Turkey, Dominican Republic, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Indonesia, Chile, Angola, East TImor, Nicaragua,
Grenada, Panama, Kyrgyzstan, Haiti, Yugoslavia, Georgia, Ukraine, Argentina, Ghana, Venezuela, Bolivia, Hondoras,
Paraguay, Mexico, El Salvador, Iraq, Afghanistan, Sudan, Somalia, Pakistan, Yemen, Tunesia, Egypt, Libya, Syria,...

"If Nuremberg were applied, then every post-war American president would have been hanged."

---
"American policymakers, setting themselves up as guardians of the world system, are more inclined than ever to simply disregard international laws and conventions if they get in the way of unrivaled military supremacy. Every instance of U.S. armed intervention ... represents a flagrant violation of regional treaties and laws, not to mention the UN Charter itself, which explicitly prohibits military attacks against sovereign nations - for example, Grenada, Nicaragua, Haiti, Panama, Serbia, Iraq... In any event, the U.S. has consistently shown its contempt for international bodies, agreements, and procedures that might conflict with its hegemonic aspirations."
Carl Boggs
Noam Chomsky
LATIN ASIA Vibe

United States

#589 Jan 23, 2013
ADD, In Africa, The African People want the US/AFRICOM , the US militarism, asking bully US to leave .
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#590 Jan 23, 2013
LATIN ASIA --- How's it going?

We haven't blogged since before January 1st.

Happy New Year.

I still have to respond back to your 9 previous posts which you addressed to me on that other thread. About Americas foreign policy, International Monetary Fund (IMF) & World Bank.

Especially your posts about Haiti.

I'll definitely get back to you on that other thread by around the midway point of next week.

I have to step out now.

Later.
LATIN ASIA Vibes

United States

#591 Jan 23, 2013
Johnny wrote:
LATIN ASIA --- How's it going?
We haven't blogged since before January 1st.
Happy New Year.
I still have to respond back to your 9 previous posts which you addressed to me on that other thread. About Americas foreign policy, International Monetary Fund (IMF) & World Bank.
Especially your posts about Haiti.
I'll definitely get back to you on that other thread by around the midway point of next week.
I have to step out now.
Later.
like wise ! Happy New year, and u falling way behind, i give run for your money...

I see u Still Supporting the war mongering NEocon, Zionist , Militaristic, Interventionist, neo -imperialism positions ... LOL

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