As arguments end, Gutierrez's retrial...

As arguments end, Gutierrez's retrial goes to jury

There are 109 comments on the San Bernardino County Sun story from Oct 20, 2010, titled As arguments end, Gutierrez's retrial goes to jury. In it, San Bernardino County Sun reports that:

Attorneys delivered their closing arguments Wednesday in the retrial of Rancho Cucamonga Councilman Rex Gutierrez.

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tell the truth

United States

#82 Oct 26, 2010
Call me dumb is fine wrote:
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Then if Biane helped broker the deal for 102 million which they claim was cheaper than losing in court, why is everyone so dead set against Biane and bashing him for his specific part in THIS deal. Please stick to the question as it applies to this issue.
the budget cits that took place inthe DA Office they would like to get Burms settlement with the County over turned. The see Rex as and avenue to do that even though Rex had nothing to do with the settlement. this same sex thing is going to turn out to be one of the biggest thing that ever happen in this County. We do not know how many Postmus brought in to the County. We do not how big. Rex is a victim his job was inter government relations. His job was to go out and help government where they could. If the whole office or most of it are same sex Rex was out numbered. We do not know this because the DA did not want to bring out the love triangle with same sex love triangle with Postmus Aleman and his former Cheif of staff. What I do know is Rex was targeted about the time prop 8 came up. When Aleman found he Rex Mormon he startedthe ball rolling to fire him. Aleman lied about Rex's job and what he did. The DA did not ask if their is a same sex thing going on right now between Postmus & Aleman. The DA case falls apart when Aleman started the ball rolling to fire Rex. Rex supported prop 8 marriage between men & woman Postmus & Aleman were against it. They wasnt same sex peopleto be able to get married. You might remember the no on 8 people targed people who gave mone to support prop 8. thegot them fired form thir job. Most of them had some kind of poltical connection. that the same thing that happen to Rex he was fired because he is Mormon. What we do not know is how many other people lost their jobs or were past over. We do not know how many same sex people their are and who is involved. Rex is a victim he is just one of many.
Observer of Facts

Running Springs, CA

#83 Oct 26, 2010
Call me dumb is fine wrote:
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Then if Biane helped broker the deal for 102 million which they claim was cheaper than losing in court, why is everyone so dead set against Biane and bashing him for his specific part in THIS deal. Please stick to the question as it applies to this issue.
The County had ALREADY lost in court. The Sun’s coverage suggests otherwise, but check the facts. The judge ruled against the county, and what was left to adjudicate was the amount of money the County owed The Colonies.

Your use of the terem "broker the deal" suggests that you read too many of Joe Nelsons stories. Three supervisors voted for the settlement, and perhaps all three were bribed, as the DA allegs. But where are the facts? PAC contributions 12 months later? Sorry, that does not work for me; one of the supervisors who voted against the settlement received the largest contribution.

I am not a big fan of Paul Biane, and I feel that his driving his county car to his vacation home in Mexico is a slap in the face of the taxpayers, particularly as many of us continue to struggle in an abysmal economy. But that does not make him guilty of conspiracy.

As I have said many times before, the alleged “biggest corruption scandal in county history” is long on rhetoric and sensationalism, and short on facts.
Repair Man

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#84 Oct 26, 2010
Observer of Facts wrote:
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I agree. But while not nearly as obnoxious, DA Ramos theory that The Colonies successfully carried out a conspiracy that involved two Superior Court Judges, one retired Supreme Court Justice, and three Board of Supervisor members, seems equally ludicrous.
Or nearly perfect.
Repair Man

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#85 Oct 26, 2010
Observer of Facts wrote:
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I am sorry to her that. Although Action Jackson and I continually disagreed, I respected his passion for his beliefs.
As to my response being "empty," allow me to elaborate.
I feel that those who buy into the $102 Million taxpayer rip-off theory do not know the facts. I feel that they believe that if the District Attorney and Attorney General say something happened, it did.
I have researched some of the facts, and don’t believe there was a conspiracy. Rather, I feel that the county bullied somebody that had the ability to fight back, did so, and won. The County did not like that, and now they are retaliating with a prosecution based on a far fetched conspiracy theory that will be impossible to prove.
When you say they were bullied do you mean the county officials were trying to shake them down? Or why else would they do that?
Ghost

Los Angeles, CA

#86 Oct 26, 2010
Repair Man wrote:
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When you say they were bullied do you mean the county officials were trying to shake them down? Or why else would they do that?
No, the colonies were bullied because from the very beginning of their developement, they had NO intentions of ever paying for anything having to do with flood control on their property. They always expected the tax payer to subsidize their project and when level headed county officials explained that to them they cried foul and got out their lawyers and at the same time hedged their bets by paying off elected officials and attorneys through PACS.
Clown Patrol

Apple Valley, CA

#87 Oct 26, 2010
Is "Observer of fact" correct, that a conspiracy involving 2 superior court justices, a retired court justice, and 3 Board of Supervisors members would be "Ludicrous"? Not in THIS county.

BTW: Is the jury still deliberating, or what is happening?
Clown Patrol

Apple Valley, CA

#88 Oct 26, 2010
"Tell the truth": I don't know what you're trying to accomplish, but repeating your "Same-sex" nonsense over and over, like a skipped record, has gotten pretty stale.
drunk in public

United States

#89 Oct 26, 2010
It must have been easier in the old days when you just paid a corrupt politician with hundred-dollar-bills, that he kept in the freezer.
Now you gotta get 'em jobs, take 'em to NYC fo' some ho's, buy 'em Rolex's, etc.
Ahhh...bring back them good 'ol days.
Observer of Facts

Running Springs, CA

#90 Oct 26, 2010
Repair Man wrote:
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When you say they were bullied do you mean the county officials were trying to shake them down? Or why else would they do that?
I mean that the county imposed unreasonable requirements on them, just as they do to many others who try to develop their property. Most cower and acquiesce, given that they do not have than ability to fight attorneys with unlimited taxpayer funding.

The Colonies apparently had that ability, decided to fight back, and won.
Observer of Facts

Running Springs, CA

#91 Oct 26, 2010
Ghost wrote:
<quoted text>No, the colonies were bullied because from the very beginning of their developement, they had NO intentions of ever paying for anything having to do with flood control on their property. They always expected the tax payer to subsidize their project and when level headed county officials explained that to them they cried foul and got out their lawyers and at the same time hedged their bets by paying off elected officials and attorneys through PACS.
Wow, Mike Ramos could not have said it better!

Unfortunately, as DA Ramos is discovering, saying it and proving it are two different things.

Check the facts, and you will see that The Colonies had no issue with providing flood control for the flows the development of their property created. Their problem arose when the County diverted the 20th street storm drain onto their property, and told them it was their problem to deal with.

Of course, why let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory!
Doubter

Kapolei, HI

#92 Oct 26, 2010
To quote "Tell The Truth. "His job was to go out and help government where they could". Are you smarter than a 5th grader?.....no. You express yourself like Rex himself.
noconspiracy

Hesperia, CA

#93 Oct 26, 2010
Doubter wrote:
To quote "Tell The Truth. "His job was to go out and help government where they could". Are you smarter than a 5th grader?.....no. You express yourself like Rex himself.
There is a reason the DA cant prove a conspiracy because non ever occurred, its a travesty what bloggers are writing and saying when they do not know anything, but they just repeat hateful things that the prosecutors themselves can't prove.
Ghost

Los Angeles, CA

#94 Oct 26, 2010
Observer of Facts wrote:
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Wow, Mike Ramos could not have said it better!
Unfortunately, as DA Ramos is discovering, saying it and proving it are two different things.
Check the facts, and you will see that The Colonies had no issue with providing flood control for the flows the development of their property created. Their problem arose when the County diverted the 20th street storm drain onto their property, and told them it was their problem to deal with.
Of course, why let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory!
Or did the problem arise when they demanded 300million for an un-developable quary bottom only worth 1million dollars, settling of course, for 102 million after arranging nearly 400 thousand in payoffs to the BOS that granted them their corrupt settlement. These corrupt politicians were paid Through PACS after a period of time to avoid suspicion. What BOS members made this happen? Biane, Postmus, and Ovitt, all stellar examples of upright conduct-not! All of them are dangerous and have no business as public leaders. What a laughing stock this county is.
franco

United States

#95 Oct 27, 2010
Ghost wrote:
<quoted text>Or did the problem arise when they demanded 300million for an un-developable quary bottom only worth 1million dollars, settling of course, for 102 million after arranging nearly 400 thousand in payoffs to the BOS that granted them their corrupt settlement. These corrupt politicians were paid Through PACS after a period of time to avoid suspicion. What BOS members made this happen? Biane, Postmus, and Ovitt, all stellar examples of upright conduct-not! All of them are dangerous and have no business as public leaders. What a laughing stock this county is.
And what cheap prostitutes those corrupt politicians are too. They risked everything for a clown who got 102 million, and only got a lousy 100 thousand. One-tenth of one percent?
Or have they received a lot more money that isn't in the newspaper?
franciscus

United States

#96 Oct 27, 2010
Wonder why no mention all week of the chimpanzee verdict.
Observer of Facts

Running Springs, CA

#97 Oct 27, 2010
Ghost wrote:
<quoted text>Or did the problem arise when they demanded 300million for an un-developable quary bottom only worth 1million dollars, settling of course, for 102 million after arranging nearly 400 thousand in payoffs to the BOS that granted them their corrupt settlement. These corrupt politicians were paid Through PACS after a period of time to avoid suspicion. What BOS members made this happen? Biane, Postmus, and Ovitt, all stellar examples of upright conduct-not! All of them are dangerous and have no business as public leaders. What a laughing stock this county is.
Please check the facts. In addition to the value of the land, the $300 Million in damages claimed by The Colonies included the costs to construct the basin, delay damages when the County halted construction, lost opportunity costs, and attorney fees.

As to the balance of your comment, it reminds me of what DA Ramos and AG Brown displayed at their press conference many months ago: Lot's of rhetoric, and little evidence.

I do agree with you that Bill Postmus had no business serving as a public leader. Good riddance!
tell the truth

United States

#98 Oct 27, 2010
Observer of Facts wrote:
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Please check the facts. In addition to the value of the land, the $300 Million in damages claimed by The Colonies included the costs to construct the basin, delay damages when the County halted construction, lost opportunity costs, and attorney fees.
As to the balance of your comment, it reminds me of what DA Ramos and AG Brown displayed at their press conference many months ago: Lot's of rhetoric, and little evidence.
I do agree with you that Bill Postmus had no business serving as a public leader. Good riddance!
The question is where was the Upland City Council. The County Flood Control told the City of Upland no to build the Colonies. The City of Upland did not tell any one until the project got to a point where something had to be done. the Developer was forced to give up land build a Lake Burm on it. Part of the problem was 210 freeway the opening was to small. If the freeway had not been built they would have only hqad to build a small channel. The flood control is not permant. Most of Upland and west part of Rancho Cucamonga are still in danger of flooding al the to the Ontario Airport. The real crime is the City Council of Upland.
Ghost

Los Angeles, CA

#99 Oct 27, 2010
tell the truth wrote:
<quoted text> The question is where was the Upland City Council. The County Flood Control told the City of Upland no to build the Colonies. The City of Upland did not tell any one until the project got to a point where something had to be done. the Developer was forced to give up land build a Lake Burm on it. Part of the problem was 210 freeway the opening was to small. If the freeway had not been built they would have only hqad to build a small channel. The flood control is not permant. Most of Upland and west part of Rancho Cucamonga are still in danger of flooding al the to the Ontario Airport. The real crime is the City Council of Upland.
and Burum who politicaly removed anyone who opposed his project.
Rich

Thousand Palms, CA

#100 Oct 27, 2010
The big loser here is the taxpayer. The DA could find 100's of people that work for the government (Including himself) that don't work very hard, do a marginal job or have a worthless job in the first place. DA get off it it! Quit wasting everyone's time. What are you going to do if you have a hung jury this time. Retry it for the 3rd time? Sounds like good job security.
Watching in Amazement

La Verne, CA

#101 Oct 27, 2010
Guilty on all counts!!!!! Check the headlines!

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