Bush Urges U.S. To Look Beyond Violen...

Bush Urges U.S. To Look Beyond Violence In Iraq

There are 153 comments on the KDKA-TV Pittsburgh story from Mar 20, 2006, titled Bush Urges U.S. To Look Beyond Violence In Iraq. In it, KDKA-TV Pittsburgh reports that:

CLEVELAND President Bush sought Monday to emphasize progress over disillusionment after three years in Iraq, urging Americans to see a developing democracy beyond the frequent images of violence.

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Sultan of Swing

Altamonte Springs, FL

#1 Mar 20, 2006
"urging Americans to see a developing democracy beyond the frequent images of violence."

Naah that would show our enemies that we are united against terrorism and for a flourishing democracy in the center of nations run by hate filled dictators.

Wouldn't want that.
bush sucks

San Pedro, CA

#2 Mar 20, 2006
how can this SOB urge us to look beyond violence? would he ignore violence if it was happening in his neighborhood? How can such a thing be ignored? He's basically asking us to turn our heads the other way? Is that moral? Does this man even care about our country? about Iraq?

He doesn't waste time attacking Iran for aiding Iraq's militia with weapons and intelligence. He considers Iran the enemy for helping Iraq's militia rebel against their government. He calls it immoral and unjust.

I recall back in the mid 1980's when THE U.S. aided the Contras with weapons so that they rebel against their Nicaraguan government. Isn't that illegal according to the geneve convention? I see some double standards here!!

So let me get this straight.. only the US can disagree with other governments and help a rebel group fight its government which by the way, in the 80's, 50,000+ people died because of the US actions? So in the world.. the US has special privileges? What is going on here?
parlo

Pelham, NY

#3 Mar 20, 2006
President Bush, along with many on this forum keep talking about Iraq and the Arab world in terms of democracy. It is made out to be that democracy alone is the cure, and all we need to do is get rid of the bad apples. The problem is much deeper. This idea that we are going to turn Baghdad into Tucson,Arizona is idealistic at best.
bush sucks

San Pedro, CA

#4 Mar 20, 2006
Parlo.. i think you got the idea... he makes it sound like peaches & cream... it ain't quite that easy... we should have never gone to war... wars are not moral... wars are acts of desperation... and the US has nothing.. i repeat.. nothing to envy anyone... So why are we there? is the US that greedy?
parlo

Pelham, NY

#5 Mar 20, 2006
If you have read my past posts, you will see that I supported the Iraqi invasion at first. I believed the hype about ties to September 11 which is something that I witnessed firsthand and also lost friends. One close friend. Now I feel duped. They keep changing the reason that we are over there. As for promoting democracy; Iraq is still very tribal and has always struggled with even basic forms of modernization. Bushs mistakes and deceptions have been many. One that is often forgotten is that it was going to be easy.
bush sucks

San Pedro, CA

#6 Mar 20, 2006
from the very begining, i knew it was not going to be easy.. Iraq is not a latin american country, or a european country who you could just change. These people have religious customs and beliefs that have been unevolved for thousands of years. I don't understand how Bush thought that the Iraqi people wanted the US to do this.

As for insurgency... if a robber invades your home, would you take it? or would you protect your home as much as you can? I mean, lets be realistic here.. the only ones who will benefit from this war will be the big corporations.. while us, our children and our grand children will be responsible for paying the 7 trillion dollar debt our federal government is currently in... and rising!
Sultan of Swing

Altamonte Springs, FL

#7 Mar 20, 2006
bush sucks wrote:
Parlo.. i think you got the idea... he makes it sound like peaches & cream... it ain't quite that easy... we should have never gone to war... wars are not moral... wars are acts of desperation... and the US has nothing.. i repeat.. nothing to envy anyone... So why are we there? is the US that greedy?
Were the rape rooms moral? Was the largest hiest (oil for food) in the history of this planet moral? would you have not opposed Nazi Germany? Imperial Japan? The USSR?
Wouldn't it be nice if the whole world was peaceful and everyone just got along? Sorry chief, the worlds a little more complicated then that.
parlo

Pelham, NY

#8 Mar 20, 2006
I think your point is that they are tribalists or sectarians first and foremost. They may hate Saddam, but that does not mean they want a foreign invader and occupier on their soil for the next ten or twenty years.As for the US, we have never been a very good nation builder. We saw what happened to the European colonial empires and have usually avoided it. Even the USSR was partially brought down by their control of other nations. Its funny, if you watch or read the 2000 presidential debates, Bush goes on about how he is against nation building.
Sultan of Swing

Altamonte Springs, FL

#9 Mar 20, 2006
parlo wrote:
I think your point is that they are tribalists or sectarians first and foremost. They may hate Saddam, but that does not mean they want a foreign invader and occupier on their soil for the next ten or twenty years.As for the US, we have never been a very good nation builder. We saw what happened to the European colonial empires and have usually avoided it. Even the USSR was partially brought down by their control of other nations. Its funny, if you watch or read the 2000 presidential debates, Bush goes on about how he is against nation building.
Parlo, we are not nation building. We are giving the Iraqi people a chance to , for the first time, build their own nation. They wrote their own Constitution, they have conducted their own elections, and we have to abide by the results. I fear we may not like the results. But we will accept them. We cannot expect their form of democracy to mirror our own. Claiming we are trying to dictate how they set up their goverment is not a fair assesment of the facts on the ground. Influence yes, dictate no.
Friend of The Devil

Simpsonville, SC

#10 Mar 20, 2006
sultan writes-Were the rape rooms moral? Was the largest hiest (oil for food) in the history of this planet moral? would you have not opposed Nazi Germany? Imperial Japan? The USSR?
Wouldn't it be nice if the whole world was peaceful and everyone just got along? Sorry chief, the worlds a little more complicated then that.
You dont realize that Parlo is comparing,and not so unrightfully, the us's resemblence to the nazi regime. The US started the war. Its up to us to try and stop war. but we're off starting one. What is complicated is making people who start and support war realize that they should be attacked like the nazi's were, like the imperialists were, and like the U.S. is becoming. It would be nice if we were all peaceful.. its a shame youre not seeing it the same way.
Sultan of Swing

Altamonte Springs, FL

#11 Mar 20, 2006
Friend of The Devil wrote:
sultan writes-Were the rape rooms moral? Was the largest hiest (oil for food) in the history of this planet moral? would you have not opposed Nazi Germany? Imperial Japan? The USSR?
Wouldn't it be nice if the whole world was peaceful and everyone just got along? Sorry chief, the worlds a little more complicated then that.
You dont realize that Parlo is comparing,and not so unrightfully, the us's resemblence to the nazi regime. The US started the war. Its up to us to try and stop war. but we're off starting one. What is complicated is making people who start and support war realize that they should be attacked like the nazi's were, like the imperialists were, and like the U.S. is becoming. It would be nice if we were all peaceful.. its a shame youre not seeing it the same way.
What really gets me with people like you is how you can just throw an asinined statment out there like comparing the current US administration to Nazi Germany. Have they assasinated all the Communists, Catholics, Protestants, Jews, the mentally ill or anyone else who disagrees with this administration? Have they rolled through several free nations placeing their word as total law? of course not, but By the state of our media and the characters on this forum I would say you freedom of expression and exaggeration is quite secure.
Donnie

Austin, TX

#12 Mar 21, 2006
Friend of The Devil wrote:
You dont realize that Parlo is comparing,and not so unrightfully, the us's resemblence to the nazi regime.
I recognize terrorist proapganda when I see it. The only comparison is a comparison of opposites.
Donnie

Austin, TX

#13 Mar 21, 2006
bush sucks wrote:
how can this SOB urge us to look beyond violence? would he ignore violence if it was happening in his neighborhood?
He didn't say to ignore it. He pointed out that when people like you stop supporting the enemy the Iraqi people can have a better life. Just because you are on the side of people who intentionally blow up children doesn't maake it right.
Donnie

Austin, TX

#14 Mar 21, 2006
bush sucks wrote:
I recall back in the mid 1980's when THE U.S. aided the Contras with weapons so that they rebel against their Nicaraguan government. Isn't that illegal according to the geneve convention?
No. Do you even know what the Geneva Convention is? Just because you wanted a Communist dictatorship in Nicaragua doesn't make it right for the Nicaraguan people. They have demonstrated that by repeatedly voting to keep the commies out of power.
Darwins Stepchild

AOL

#15 Mar 21, 2006
I think there was a lot of wishful dreaming going on in the White House and the Pentagon when they were building up to the war in Iraq. No one there really tried to understand the region and what we were getting into. Powell in the State Department tried to warn them, but no one wanted to listen. Now we are mired in a mess.

One of the key statements in Sun Tzu's "The Art of War" is "know your enemy, know yourself". This was clearly violated by Bush and Rumsfeld. But then, Bush has never been much of one for reading.
Phogg

Anderson, IN

#16 Mar 21, 2006
parlo wrote:
President Bush, along with many on this forum keep talking about Iraq and the Arab world in terms of democracy. It is made out to be that democracy alone is the cure, and all we need to do is get rid of the bad apples. The problem is much deeper. This idea that we are going to turn Baghdad into Tucson,Arizona is idealistic at best.
Here's what Brent Scowcroft, national security advisor for Bush I, said. I have not seen anyone state it more clearly or better than this:

"I believe that democracy can be taught. I do not believe the way some do that it is native to the instincts of all mankind. And I think it is a learned behavior and it is a complicated behavior. Because you have to believe, among other things, that the rules are more important than winning the game. In very few societies is that true. That‘s learned behavior. That‘s not instinctive."

- Brent Scowcroft, on 'Hardball with Chris Matthews', Dec. 2, 2004.
bush sucks

San Pedro, CA

#17 Mar 21, 2006
Donnie.. do you really believe that US bombs didn't kill children? come one now... get out of here
bush sucks

San Pedro, CA

#18 Mar 21, 2006
Donna.. yes.. i happen to know what the geneva convention is...

but how low can the US go to use DRUG laundered money to fund a civil war? and then illegally sell weapons to Iran.. There were many who intended to help Nicaragua but were threatened by the US... you see, everyone believed Nicaragua was in the right track withou US aid.. and the US didn't like that did they...

let me tell you something.. don't come try to school me on my own history... learn it first.. don't just speak from what you hear...

as for the Iraq war.. it was a mistake... the government needs some balls and accept it... as well as the other 51% of idiots who voted for Bush..

THANK YOU!
escape from the dark ages

Brentwood, CA

#20 Mar 21, 2006
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

I don't think anybody but the bassists think Saddam is a good guy. The Jihadists hated him because he was to secular and everyone else because of the human rights violations by the hundreds. What I don't like is the lack of planning, underestimation of what we needed to win(not listening to Powell among others) leaving our allies out of the equation, bad intelligence, no exit stragegy (pun intended),trying to connect 911 to Iraq and the general incompetence.
escape from the dark ages

Brentwood, CA

#21 Mar 21, 2006
Stragedy (pun intended) that is.

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