3rd person dies in sweat lodge ceremo...

3rd person dies in sweat lodge ceremony case

There are 24 comments on the USA Today story from Oct 18, 2009, titled 3rd person dies in sweat lodge ceremony case. In it, USA Today reports that:

An Arizona homicide investigation now includes three deaths after a woman died more than a week after participating in a sweat lodge ceremony that hospitalized nearly two dozen people.

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Since: Jan 07

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#1 Oct 18, 2009
People can be so stupid.

I bet I could get people to pay me to let them sit in my microwave oven.

Or to hug a Zen meditation anchor as we let it drift peacefully to the bottom of the ocean. And for only $10,000 ! What a bargain.

The sweat box is a self cleaning oven, cleansing itself of stupidity.

“Socialism leads to starvation”

Since: Jul 09

Aztec

#2 Oct 18, 2009
What makes some peoples' lives so vacant, that they get involved in this kinda horse dung?
Mainline Florida

United States

#3 Oct 18, 2009
For $10,000 they could have been sweating at some beautiful beach anywhere in the world and getting in touch with nature without the new age BS.

A fool and his money... you know the rest.
Yatahay

Tucson, AZ

#5 Oct 18, 2009
FYI, the ceremony of the sweat lodge is an honorable tradition of the native American people, but there must be instructions at the start. First, everyone must have a bottle of water to drink whenever they get thirsty. Second, everyone must feel free to leave and walk outside in the cool air whenever they want. Third, nobody has to pay nine thousand dollars to enter one of our lodges.

This sweat lodge tragedy in Sedona was run by a new age scammer and his greed has become his downfall. If you wish to see a true native American sweat lodge, visit the Indian Hospital at 16th Street and Indian School in Phoenix. No charge.

“Meow”

Since: May 07

Yacking up a topix hairball

#6 Oct 18, 2009
Yatahay wrote:
FYI, the ceremony of the sweat lodge is an honorable tradition of the native American people, but there must be instructions at the start. First, everyone must have a bottle of water to drink whenever they get thirsty. Second, everyone must feel free to leave and walk outside in the cool air whenever they want. Third, nobody has to pay nine thousand dollars to enter one of our lodges.
This sweat lodge tragedy in Sedona was run by a new age scammer and his greed has become his downfall. If you wish to see a true native American sweat lodge, visit the Indian Hospital at 16th Street and Indian School in Phoenix. No charge.
great point.

Since: Oct 09

Las Cruces, New Mexico

#7 Oct 18, 2009
Yatahay wrote:
This sweat lodge tragedy in Sedona was run by a new age scammer and his greed has become his downfall.
True, so true. This was all about making money off these folks; he was neither a true healer nor true teacher but, instead, a New Age huckster. The sad thing is that ignorant people will think all sweatlodges are bad or dangerous when, in fact, it's only the ones conducted by fools that are.

Native Americans have been conducting them for worthy reasons, safely, for centuries.

Since: Aug 07

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#8 Oct 19, 2009
"Native Americans have been conducting them for worthy reasons, safely for centuries". True. So why does some greedy guru think he can just do this without following traditional procedures, and why do people pay thousands of dollars for scams like this? Sadly, the people who bought into this did no research, they took this self-proclaimed guru's word as law. There will always be con men like Madoff, this guru, James Arthur Ray, and others who swindle the gullible and posssibly cost them their lives. In this age of information, how in the world can there be people like this who can't find information or be properly informed before being taking to the cleaners, then taken to the grimm reaper?
Mississippian

Bogotá, Colombia

#9 Oct 19, 2009
Fyre_and_Reign wrote:
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True, so true. This was all about making money off these folks; he was neither a true healer nor true teacher but, instead, a New Age huckster. The sad thing is that ignorant people will think all sweatlodges are bad or dangerous when, in fact, it's only the ones conducted by fools that are.
Native Americans have been conducting them for worthy reasons, safely, for centuries.
Remember, it isn't just that they used a sweat lodge. They fasted for 3 days prior to this. What a bunch of dummies.

“TheseDays”

Since: Apr 07

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#10 Oct 19, 2009
It's a good thing I've never been interested in *sweatlodges* - but heh, if it's your thing, go for it.

“Socialism leads to starvation”

Since: Jul 09

Aztec

#11 Oct 19, 2009
Viva wrote:
It's a good thing I've never been interested in *sweatlodges*- but heh, if it's your thing, go for it.
I am pained to see human life wasted by this false, vacant junk. If you really need to induce a near death expeirence, try road work in the summer or farm work during harvest season. At least you will have rational human beings around you to lend a hand.
bummer,

Since: Nov 08

Stover, MO

#13 Oct 21, 2009
I have read all these comments and really feel that if people would not try to use another cultures ceremonies then there would not be anyone dead. I have attended many sweat lodges and because I am 100% Native American, I had elders who were watching out for me and taught me the proper way to do this. If someone wanted to charge me?? I would tell them NO!!

Now if there are anymore of those out there who want to commune with nature and rebirth themselves, I have 15 acres that they could camp on and never be bothered......
Simple Minds

Suffolk, VA

#14 Oct 22, 2009
Wow how about just live a normal life and forget about all of the weird crap? good grief! I grew up in AZ and I can tell you that some weird mess goes on there anyway and it seem like all of the very strange and out there people move there!
Mizz Bee Haven

United States

#16 Oct 22, 2009
Whatever happened to the good old days of communal orgies, psychedelic coolaid, and nobody had to pay money to get in?

What's this crazy sheeeat with roasting people in a giant dutch oven?

Since: Nov 08

Stover, MO

#17 Oct 22, 2009
Mizz Bee, I agree with that last statement. I mentioned this to my husband and he looked at me and said "why would anyone want to roast people??? When you cook crab you put it in a pot full of steam kinda like a sweatlodge." I had not thought of that until he said it and that is exactly what they were doing.

TO Simple Minds, many cultures do things that are considered by others to be odd or strange, but that does not make it weird crap. I am a traditional Native American, yes and I live in Missouri. I follow my nations long held and properly done ceremonies. I would hope that any adult would be considerate to not dismiss the traditions I have or confuse them with the tragedy that occurred at this event.

Please consider that many of you may know someone from another culture such as a jewish family, a catholic person, a mennonite person, and you know that they follow their Elders teachings. Please do not confuse what this idiot did with the cultural ceremonies that many people do believe in.

Since: Oct 09

San Diego, CA

#18 Oct 22, 2009
Guru James Arthur Ray says that although he feels the pain of the victims' families, the sweat lodge deaths will not stop his wealth-building programs from continuing.

Fred Newsome,
CSN Team
http://www.cheatsheetnews.com

Since: Nov 08

Stover, MO

#19 Oct 23, 2009
So he is going to continue to rob people and killing them does not bother him much.....
Jason Lee

Brook, IN

#20 Oct 23, 2009
Whispering Eagle wrote:
So he is going to continue to rob people and killing them does not bother him much.....
Apparently there really isn't any such thing as bad publicity.
Willie

Los Angeles, CA

#21 Oct 23, 2009
White people need to stick to their own ways.
They did enough damage around here the past 500 years.
Stick to your cough syrup instead.
Simple Minds

Suffolk, VA

#22 Oct 23, 2009
anyone in their right mind should know that these things are not worth spending money on much less even thinking about doing! If you choose to and you die from it then the joke is on you! Use your brains people thats what they are there for! They can't really do anything to this man because these people are stupid enough to do it to themselves!

Since: Nov 08

Stover, MO

#23 Oct 23, 2009
These people paid a whole lot of money to be roasted to death. Has anyone heard the report from the corner on what killed the three people???

I agree with Willie, do not use or pretend to perform any ceremony whether it be aboriginal from Austraila, or Native Americans from the United States, it is their culture and they apparently know the correct way to do the ceremony and never has a life been lost in our Sweat Lodges.

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