Blaming Israel for carnage

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Most media outlets aren't providing news of Israel's barbaric air raids on Lebanon with fairness and integrity. Read more
Gray

Petersburg, VA

#113491 Dec 30, 2013
Mt Sinai Group for Peace wrote:
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israel jews created a hell on earth in Palestine and have been cursed since their creation...
IIsraeli jews are starting to reap what they sown as we post,
Syria's Assad has not fallen and neither has Iran...
Hezbollah is red button ready for an all out war and is lobbing long range missile into illegitemate israel to remind the illegal jews terrorist of HEZBOLLAH present and that Hezbollah is ready to load, lock and roll.
Israel and convicted isaeli jews' fugitives are at the center of the real axis of evil.
O, by the way, our Nation cannot afford anymore wars, because zionist and their co-rats have broken and bankrupted our flawed system/...
I just mentioned in an earlier Comment that Russia is getting into the game far more deeply.

Meanhwile the AIPAC Owned & operated US is tired & broke from fighting Israel's wars for Zionist Lebensraum,

I hope you'll read the actual column beyond my Excerpt:

“Russian Resurgence in the Middle East”

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-russian-bear...
EXCERPT “Russia’s friendly relations with Iran and the entire Resistance Bloc have given it a level of leverage with Israel.

The large population of Russian emigrants and Russian-speakers in Israel has added to Russia’s leverage. The presence of a large Russian-speaking community in Israel is one of the reasons that Israeli politicians visit Russia and go on Russian channels during election seasons.

New inroads have been made across the Middle East since 2011 for Russia and Russian influence in the Levant has steadily become entrenched.

The Russian Federation has reinvigorated its ties to Lebanon and initiated a strategic dialogue with Lebanon’s Hezbollah.
The Syrians are critically thankful to Moscow for its support.
Along with Iran, Russia has been a major influence in Damascus and helped Syria withstand regime change.

The terrorist attack on the Russian Embassy in Damascus is a testimony to Russia’s important influence.

To call the magnification of the Russian profile in the Middle East a re-entrance of some sort is inaccurate.

The Middle East has always been on the doorsteps of the Russian Federation. What is taking place is a new surge in Russian influence as the US recedes.” CONTINUED

Oh Boy!!! Shiny, new missiles for Hezbollah & Hamas!
Ratloader

Naugatuck, CT

#113492 Dec 30, 2013
Gray wrote:
A REAL Military doesn't demonstrate its prowess at the handle of a "Joystick" in air conditioned comfort:
No, Bony Spam Creep, they blow up buses with civilians in them or churches during services. One can only hope you are there on your prayer rug for the next one.
George

Red Deer, Canada

#113493 Dec 30, 2013
Shelly-USA wrote:
I have found that most Canucks are terrorist apologists. It took them years to list Hezbollah as a terrorist organization. They finally listed them in 2002. Canada even has Sharia law for their Muslim friends.
Where does Canada have Sharia law? Canada has NEVER been an apologist for terrorism, NEVER.
ISA

Bakersfield, CA

#113494 Dec 30, 2013
Mt Sinai Group for Peace wrote:
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israel jews created a hell on earth in Palestine and have been cursed since their creation...
IIsraeli jews are starting to reap what they sown as we post,
Syria's Assad has not fallen and neither has Iran...
Hezbollah is red button ready for an all out war and is lobbing long range missile into illegitemate israel to remind the illegal jews terrorist of HEZBOLLAH present and that Hezbollah is ready to load, lock and roll.
Israel and convicted isaeli jews' fugitives are at the center of the real axis of evil.
O, by the way, our Nation cannot afford anymore wars, because zionist and their co-rats have broken and bankrupted our flawed system/...
again I only have to say........LONG LIVE ISRAEL
The Jews are the chosen people and they will always come out on top especially with
Mr. Netanyaho.....at the wheel.

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#113499 Dec 30, 2013
USA Born wrote:
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2 Peter 2:16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.
You said you didn't believe Paul's writings but there your are trying to interpret and preach what he wrote. Very typical of you.
I don't. The reason I put some of Paul's scriptures in there was because I was under the impression that you believed in them. Very typical of you to misconstrue my intention

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#113500 Dec 30, 2013
Gray wrote:
PUTIN'S GAME CHANGING AGENDA
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You just listed part of our pathetic glut of Fact Free Hasbarats  Nazis!”
http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2011/07/...
Ee-way-for-killing-by-remote-c ontrol
Gray is a liar and apologist for radical Islam. This principle of lying in order to advance the cause of Islam results in serious consequences when it comes to the issue of Muslims seeking to spread Islam around the world and especially in places like the United States (U.S.) and the West, where the majority of people are not Muslim. Sharia-compliant Muslims routinely use deceptive "wolf in sheep's clothing" type tactics to polish Islam’s image while at the same time avoiding, obscuring, or omitting any of the negative aspects of Islamic doctrine, history, law, and scriptures. This is often done with prospective converts as well as with audiences Muslims hope will be gullible, like academics, government officials, members of the media, and the public at large. For example, Muslims often will cite verses from the (chronologically) earlier portions of the Qur’an (which generally were moderate, peaceful, and tolerant), while neglecting to mention that this was the period in Muhammad’s life when he and his tiny band of followers lived in Mecca, where they were ridiculed, powerless, and mostly unaccepted. Yet, even as they cite such passages, they are fully aware that most of these early verses were abrogated (cancelled and replaced) by later passages of the Qur’an that Muhammad produced after the hijra (migration) to Medina. The replacement verses, from a time when Muslims grew powerful, reflect harsh intolerance for non-Muslims and command violence to subjugate infidels (unbelievers) to Islamic law (sharia). Sharia-compliant Muslims do not always express their hostility to unbelievers openly though. This is where taqiyya comes in. Based on verses from the Qur’an and hadiths (sayings of Muhammad), Muslims can pretend to befriend infidels (in violation of the teachings of Islam) and even display adherence with their unbelief, if this will advance the cause of Islam and protect the believer from harm. Here is one of those verses from the Qur’an: "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution (prevention), that ye may Guard yourselves from them (prevent them from harming you.) But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah." (Q 3:28) Ibn Kathir was an Islamic scholar who wrote one of the most authoritative commentaries (or Tafsirs) on the Qur’an. This is what he said about this particular Qur’anic verse regarding Muslims pretending to befriend infidels:“Unless you indeed fear a danger from them’ meaning, except those believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers. In this case, such believers are allowed to show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly.…‘We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them." (Tafsir Ibn Kathir, vol. 2, 141) So, according to this Islamic principle, if under pressure or threatened with force, not only may Muslims deceive non-believers, it is even legitimate for Muslims to behave in ways normally completely contrary to their faith. For instance, given such circumstances, a Muslim may drink alcohol, skip prayers and fasting during Ramadan, renounce belief in Allah and even pretend homage to a deity other than Allah, and utter insincere oaths. It is important to understand the concept of taqiyya so as not to be taken in by such tactics

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#113501 Dec 30, 2013
The Road to Partition

UNSCOP’s report included a partition plan which divided Palestine into two independent states: a Jewish one to include Eastern Galilee, the coastal strip along the Mediterranean (excluding Jaffa and the coastal strip down to Gaza) and the Negev. The Palestinian State included Upper and Western Galilee, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. The City of Jerusalem and its environs were to be an international enclave, Corpus Separatum, with autonomous rights for both communities.

The Palestinians were allocated 38% of Mandatory Palestine when they made up 63% of the total population. The Jewish state was to include 498,000 Jews and 407,000 Palestinians.

Mandatory Palestine was made up of 16 districts, nine of which were to be allocated to the Jewish state. None of them had either a Jewish majority or land owned by a Jewish majority.

This demographic imbalance was to be solved by settling the displaced Jews from Europe in the Jewish part of partitioned Palestine.

The two states were required to eventually conclude a 10-year treaty of economic union as a condition for their promised independence.

Whilst the Jewish Agency decided to exert all its diplomatic energy to assure the acceptance of the partition of Palestine, the Arabs expressed a total rejection. For Britain, a neutral position was the only choice left. UN Resolution 181 was set in motion.

Does anyone want to comment on this or disagree with what has been posted? If so can you bring your evidence to show why you disagree with what has been posted
ISA

Bakersfield, CA

#113502 Dec 30, 2013
Mt Sinai Group for Peace wrote:
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again/ we only have to say........LONG LIVE ISRAEL ON JEWPITER
What we think here in our privileged setting doesnt really matter nor does it help the victims of Jewish Tyranny and Holocaust...
We too think like Gray, that Jews in israel are terrorists that have to be made accountable for their Holocaust in Palestine..
If you read in the papers tomorrow that israel sunk into Mediterranean, how would you feel??
We'd feel relief for the Palestinans, who have been the recipients of Jews' Supreme Holocaust and say that israel reaped what it has sown...
O', do you think we are anti-Semitic,, well we not!.
First of all you keep saying palestinians instead of jordanians....do correct yourself....
and it is obvious you are NOT anti semitic since Jordanians are also semites;;;;;we think
differently because many of us believe the true terrorists are the muslims......The Christians
are also being terrorized. You also banished the Bahai's. but, you can't do that to the Jews...
ISA

Bakersfield, CA

#113503 Dec 30, 2013
forgot to say:

LONG LIVE ISRAEL....

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#113504 Dec 30, 2013
March 2012

Liberal Zionism: A Contradiction in Terms

Rebecca Steinfeld

"Excerpt"

Some argue that Zionism is an exclusionary ideology that privileges one ethnic group over another, and as such is inherently incompatible with liberalism, which is premised on equality. Several writers and academics share this perspective, including Oren Yiftachel, a political geographer at Ben-Gurion University, who regards the ‘Jewish and democratic state’ formula as an oxymoron akin to ‘hot ice.’ Yiftachel argues that the common scholarly and political attempts to portray the existence of ‘Israel proper’ within the ‘Green Line’ as ‘Jewish and democratic’ are both “analytically flawed and politically deceiving.”

Instead, he argues that the whole entity, territorially and politically, ought to be characterised as an ethnocracy, which he defines as “a non-democratic regime which attempts to extend or preserve disproportional ethnic control over a contested multi-ethnic territory.” Yiftachel’s argument partly stems from what he regards as Israel’s history as a settler society, marked by ethno-nationalism and the ethnic logic of capital, with its resultant discriminatory land laws and planning policies.

But Yiftachel’s argument is not merely about history; he also points to the inherent conceptual incompatibility between liberalism and Zionism, which seeks to simultaneously privilege one group while guaranteeing equal citizenship for all. In this, he is supported by Nadim Rouhana, a legal scholar at Tufts University, who emphasises,“a Jewish state in theory and practice means privileging Jewish citizens over all other citizens [...] There are few honest observers in Israel who dispute that a Jewish state, by definition, privileges one group of citizens over another.” Given these internal inconsistencies, the journalist Joseph Dana wrote in the Israeli blog-based web magazine +972 that “liberal Zionism, as used today, is a dangerous and, in some profound ways, dishonest system of thought.”

Read more at:

http://jewishquarterly.org/2012/03/liberal-zi...

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#113505 Dec 31, 2013
By Ami Kaufman

Published December 28, 2013
Israeli deputy minister:'Even gay Jews have a higher soul than gentiles'

Deputy Minister for Religious Affairs, Rabbi Eli Ben Dahan, from the settler party Habayit Hayehudi (Jewish Home) gave an interview [Heb] to the Israeli daily Ma’ariv yesterday on his party’s stance against gay marriage. Personally, I couldn’t decide which headline I should go with on this one: his racism against non-Jews, or his contempt for gays. It was a lose-lose situation.

Here’s a snippet from the interview. Remember, this man is a high ranking government official in the only democracy in the Middle East.

What will you do if the Knesset votes on a bill legalizing gay marriage?

No way. Also, a Jew cannot marry a gentile.

Is that the same thing?

We don’t recognize either of them. And anyway, a Jew always has a much higher soul than a gentile, even if he’s gay.

http://972mag.com/nstt_feeditem/israeli-deput...

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#113508 Dec 31, 2013
Larry Derfner
|Published December 8, 2013
U.S.'security plan': Another decisive cave-in to Netanyahu

Once again, the Obama administration hangs Abbas and the Palestinian Authority out to dry.

Halfway through the scheduled nine-month Israeli-Palestinian peace talks, there’s been a break in the action, or rather the inaction: the Obama administration, once again, has sought to end the deadlock by backing Netanyahu’s illegitimate demands and hanging the Palestinians out to dry. Last Friday the Americans presented a “security plan”(“security” in the American lexicon means security for Israelis, not Palestinians) that calls for Israeli troops to remain in the Jordan Valley – in the West Bank, in a future Palestine, on the Palestinian side of their border with Jordan – as part of the peace treaty.

The time period in which an Israeli military presence along the Jordan River will remain is long,” a senior Israeli official told Haaretz.“More than three to four years.”

The Palestinian Authority hasn’t responded officially to the plan, but an unnamed Palestinian official was quoted saying it wasn’t acceptable because it would extend the occupation – Israeli control over Palestinian territory.

The plan also calls on a future Palestinian state to be denied the right to military weaponry beyond the needs of a police and anti-terror force, and gives control of a future Palestine’s borders to a joint Israeli-Palestinian team, possibly with Americans also involved, according to Haaretz.

Read +972&#8242;s full coverage of Kerry’s peace process

This is ridiculous. This is a security plan that comes at the cost of Palestinian independence and sovereignty. A country required to tolerate former enemy troops on its soil and at its border crossings, and that’s barred from having an army, is not an independent, sovereign state. Certainly not when it stands next door to the regional military superpower that’s been subjugating it for a half-century. Imagine what Israel would say to a security plan that left it without an army, with Palestinian troops sharing authority with the IDF at the border crossings into Israel, and with Palestinian troops on the Israeli side of the Israeli-Jordanian border.

That’s what U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry just proposed to the Palestinians – Kerry, that true believer in the “two-state solution.”

The security plan is what Netanyahu has been waiting for. Since the talks with the Palestinians started in August, there has been no movement at all; the Palestinians, whose position remains where it left off in the abortive 2007-2008 Annapolis talks, are waiting for Netanyahu to present his “map” of where Israel should end and Palestine begin, which he hasn’t done, insisting all along that he needs security guarantees first. And now the Americans have appeased him.

To be continued

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#113509 Dec 31, 2013
Kerry did the exact same sort of thing to get the talks started in April: the Palestinians were demanding Israel’s commitment to negotiate on the basis of the ’67 borders, as well as a settlement freeze for the duration of the talks, before agreeing to negotiate. Netanyahu balked, and the talks looked like they’d never get started, and then at the last minute Kerry threw his weight behind Bibi’s position. This left the Palestinians to either enter the talks with Israel remaining free to occupy and settle forever, or stay out and lose U.S. and possibly European funding while catching the blame for torpedoing the process. And so the Palestinians agreed. And in exchange for their consent to negotiate, they retained U.S. and European aid, and gained the release of a few dozen long-term Palestinian prisoners.

But they were also left to bear the ongoing humiliation of sitting at the negotiating table with Israel while Israel has set out on further, massive settlement expansion, maintained the occupation in full force, including the killing of unarmed Palestinians, and offered the Palestinians no land, settlement evacuation or sovereignty whatsoever. And now, with this U.S. security plan, the Palestinians are being asked to sign away their independence and sovereignty in a final agreement.

I don’t think there’s any possibility PA President Mahmoud Abbas will agree to this plan. But he doesn’t want to walk away from the negotiations and pay the consequences; he wants to stay at the table until the nine-month deadline is up in April, and after that he would be free, albeit in the face of U.S. opposition, to challenge the occupation further via the United Nations, possibly by taking Israel to The Hague. Abbas shouldn’t have too much trouble parrying the security plan; he can tell Kerry he’s not going to meet Netanyahu’s demands before Netanyahu meets any of his, which is an unimpeachable position, and Netanyahu, of course, has no intention of meeting Abbas’ demands. So the Palestinians should be able to ride out these talks for another four months until they end. And then we’ll see.

But the hope I had that Kerry would ultimately put most of the blame for the negotiations’ failure on Israel, a hope that was born with his startling TV interview last month (“Does Israel want a third intifada?”), is finished. Kerry can’t blame Netanyahu as the rejectionist after Kerry’s own plan was first rejected, or at least not accepted, by Abbas. Supposedly the Obama administration is putting together a full-blown peace proposal, including all the elements, to present to both sides next month. But with this security plan being part of it, Abbas will not be able to accept any such overall peace proposal, and since Abbas won’t accept it, Netanyahu will be under no compulsion to do so, either.

So when these negotiations finally end in failure, Kerry will do what American statesmen before him have done: either blame both sides equally or blame the Palestinians a little more. And the status quo, the occupation, will be nine months older and several thousand planned settlement homes stronger.

This new U.S. security plan is another decisive cave-in to Netanyahu by the Obama administration. It follows the one in April on the ’67 borders and settlement freeze, which followed Obama’s repeated opposition to Palestinian statehood in the United Nations, which followed his abandonment of the settlement freeze demand early in his first term. I hope the settlers name one of their new neighborhoods “Ramat Obama” and another one “Givat Kerry”; with a little bit of nudging from Israel’s friends in Washington, I’m sure these two American idealists can be persuaded to fly in for the cornerstone-laying ceremonies and smile as they dig the first shovelfuls of dirt.

http://972mag.com/u-s-security-plan-another-d...

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#113510 Dec 31, 2013
I wish all a happy New Year. Here in freedom loving Australia we are just under 6 hours away from the New Year. I hope and pray that there will be less death and more love shown in the coming year

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#113512 Dec 31, 2013
samuellandluck wrote:
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Sheilaa wrote:
Poor wanker Samueloutofluck thinks that most on this forum are like him and can't recognize when he changes other peoples posts. He has multiple mental problems and thinks he is an intellectual when in reality he is the rag and bone man in Skelmersdale who collects other people's refuse
Ha ha ha ha .....
Just try to be a little less verbose on the terrorist apartheid state 'dummy' and try to curb the awful verbal and personal abuse and of course the truck loads of accompanying hypocrisy .... ha ha
You get back, and more, of what you give out. You don't seem to like it Boo Hoo!! Don't try and lecture me about being verbose when it takes you all your time to string three words together. When you actually do manage to use more they are usually off topic, empty,derogatory and meaningless.. Trying to use my expression which I conferred upon you shows us all how unoriginal you actually are. I'm responding to you because it is the end of the year and I am in a charitable mood. The same won't be happening in the New Year. Now go and fix yourself up the NY is almost here.

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#113514 Dec 31, 2013
samuellandluck wrote:
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ha ha ... I don't copy and paste a load of other people's writing 'dummy' and then slyly feign it as an 'academic'.... go and find some new expletives you foolish piglet and apologist for racists..

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Yeah right that is why I give the link to what I have posted whilst you on the other hand give nada except a pile of verbal diarrhoea

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#113520 Dec 31, 2013
samuellandluck wrote:
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Be quiet vexed verbose piglet .... we know you're fake .... go copy and paste a load more crap and refrain from your rude diatribes against people who've got you sussed you disgusting sow.
All people have a right to voice an opinion without being abused.

As for Israel, it exists on .99% of the land in the Middle East, an appropriate apportionment for a people who have been there since ancient times. It is wise to work towards peace and reconciliation rather than further sectarian divides which characterize the conflicts in the region.

You put all your energy into hatred and vitriol. It is amazing that you have the time to post, using multiple identities, day in and day out. You should review your comments and take stock of who you are and what you think you have accomplished.

You have proved to be an ugly bigot and an uncompromising source of hatred. Your comments wreak of mental illness, immaturity, paranoia, loneliness and grandiosity.

I hope in the year ahead you work on your hygiene, resume, and psychiatric problems. Your redundant, ineffectual and hateful posts are getting you no where.

danetoo

London, UK

#113521 Dec 31, 2013
Jim Justice wrote:
<quoted text>All people have a right to voice an opinion without being abused.

As for Israel, it exists on .99% of the land in the Middle East, an appropriate apportionment for a people who have been there since ancient times. It is wise to work towards peace and reconciliation rather than further sectarian divides which characterize the conflicts in the region.

You put all your energy into hatred and vitriol. It is amazing that you have the time to post, using multiple identities, day in and day out. You should review your comments and take stock of who you are and what you think you have accomplished.

You have proved to be an ugly bigot and an uncompromising source of hatred. Your comments wreak of mental illness, immaturity, paranoia, loneliness and grandiosity.

I hope in the year ahead you work on your hygiene, resume, and psychiatric problems. Your redundant, ineffectual and hateful posts are getting you no where.
Excellent post !!

I doubt he will take time to reflect - but will simply write another predictable post full of expletives, paranoia and fear ... Hatred ...

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#113525 Dec 31, 2013
Equality for Israel's Arab citizens? Don't hold your breath!

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Fundamental and profound discrimination against the Arab population is the cornerstone of the State of Israel. Positive discrimination for Arab towns, designating land for industrial and commercial development, constructing public and residential buildings, increasing the educational and welfare budget, and investing in infrastructure – all this requires billions of shekels which the government has no intention of spending. It won’t even spend such sums on Jewish towns in the periphery – it will certainly not spend them on Arab towns. And without these sums, as Yashiv explained in his excellent lecture, small initiatives – important though they are – are liable to become barriers to the greater change that is so crucial.

Indeed, as long as the present government continues its blatantly racist policies, such as the decision to establish a Jewish town near Arad at the expense of an Arab village that has existed there for 50 years, all its words on equality for Arabs are a bad joke.

The government has failed miserably to increase the number of Arabs in the state service sector – an issue entirely in government hands, requiring no special resources. It didn’t even achieve its target of increasing the proportion of Arabs in this sector to 10% by 2012: the percentage today stands at 8.5%. This is particularly sobering when one remembers that the Arabs make up 20% of Israel’s citizens. Despite certain steps to integrate Israeli Arabs in the economy since 2010, the gaps between Jews and Arabs are still growing.

http://www.challenge-mag.com/en/article__376/... !

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#113526 Dec 31, 2013
What it means to be jobless as an Arab woman in Israel

by Michal Schwartz

The data of the Central Bureau of Statistics indicate enormous wage gaps between men and women, as well as between Jews and Arabs. These have made headlines and caused urgent debates at the Knesset Finance Committee. Not that the gaps are surprising, but the publicity has embarrassed Israel both in its own eyes and in front of the OECD, revealing its Achilles’ heel: the larger the gaps, the more the weak sectors of the population drag the country down, and the more likely is Israel to find itself exiled from the club of the developed nations. That has been the gist of the talk in Israel’s corridors of power.

Far less interest has been taken in those at the bottom of the data table – Arab women. The data show that their average wage (about 5000 NIS/month, or $1400) amounts to 2/3 of the wage of Jewish women and 40% of that of Jewish men. Yet these findings do not expose the true severity of the situation, since only 22% of Arab women are actually present in the labor market (in contrast to 60% of Jewish women). It is no wonder that the Arab sector, a fifth of the general population, represent nearly half the economy’s poor.

How does this situation affect 320,000 women who live in villages and do not earn a living; how does it affect their children, the Arab population as a whole, and Jewish-Arab relations? After 8 years’ experience with unskilled Arab women, bringing them from their villages into agricultural jobs and conducting weekly empowerment meetings, my impression is that the general picture is worsening with time.

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http://www.challenge-mag.com/en/article__382/...

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