Blaming Israel for carnage

Blaming Israel for carnage

There are 121925 comments on the Fort Worth Star-Telegram story from Jul 22, 2006, titled Blaming Israel for carnage. In it, Fort Worth Star-Telegram reports that:

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nutjobs here

Israel

#111842 Dec 2, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
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They were Arabs as opposed to Palestinians. The Palestinian name was created as a political ploy by Arafat.
Israel has no legal claim to the land and that is why they UNILATERALLY DECLARED THEIR INDEPENDENCE. They knew that if they waited Palestine would be put into a trusteeship.
Your claim that the Israelis had a historical claim to the land is laughable. Many tribes were situated in the land and Israel was just one of them. They lasted for no longer than about 70 years before they were moved on.
If we go by your reasoning the Angles, Saxons and Jutes have a claim to England because they were there for x amount of years
Let me be crystal clear Israel has no LEGAL CLAIM ON THE LAND. They murdered, tortured and ethnically cleansed the land that they took and then turned around and lied to the world that no one lived there. You are a disgrace for promoting such lies and will be judged by God at the end of the day.
Evidence that I provide to support my claims include the following:
Ilan Pappe:(born in 1954) is an Israeli historian and socialist activist.
Alan Hart:He is an author, former Middle East Chief Correspondent for Independent Television News, and former BBC Panorama presenter specialising in the Middle East. Hart has been engaged with events in the Middle East and their global consequences and implications for nearly 40 years.
Benny Morris: He is an Israeli professor of History in the Middle East Studies department of Ben-Gurion University of the Negev in the city of Be'er Sheva, Israel. He is a key member of the group of Israeli historians known as the "New Historians"
Shlomo Sand: He is professor of history at Tel Aviv University. He is author of the The Invention of the Jewish People
Palestine was put into trusteeship to create a Jewish country. If it was not meant to create a country what makes it different to the other Mandates? Why were countries created out of all Mandates. Why does it speak of specific Jewish immigration and settlement on public land with no political rights for non-Jews?
The fact is the Mandate along with article 80 of the UN Charter gives Israel the legal right to the land.

Give a legal document which gives the Palestinians as a nation the right to the land?

Jews have lived on the land continuously for thousands of years albeit often in small numbers. Everywhere you turn there is more evidence of to towns spoken of in the books of prophets.
52 nations the league of nations agreed that Jews have a historic claim to the land.

I know these people no need to give a background and peoples names are not evidence.

Didn't you just post a quote of Ben Gurion from Pappe which was a false quote?

http://www.camera.org/index.asp...
A LINK TO LIES AND DISTORTION FROM PAPPE. EVEN ADMITS HE IS NOT INTERESTED IN THE FACTS BUT BASES HIS INFO ON IDEOLOGY.

Alan Hart?He writes for veterans today a anti-Jewish site whose owner stated on air that 30-40% of what is written there is lies.
He is a conspiracy theorist who claims to have evidence for various things he speaks of but never released them. Either way he seems like a nutjob. Not exactly a viable source.

Benny Morris would agree with me on much of what I say.

Sand
http://elderofziyon.blogspot.co.il/2013/03/a-...
http://elderofziyon.blogspot.co.il/2012/05/la...

So you posted one person who admits he is not interested in facts. pappe
One person who is a conspiracy theorist.
One person (Sand) who seems to make things up as he goes along.
Benny Morris is usually a viable source.

Now I see why you spout the crap that you do. You have learnt from admitted or at the least liars who were caught.
nutjobs here

Israel

#111843 Dec 2, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
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1. If you say so. Thats politics. Either way UN GA res are non-binding. Why was the US so hostile to Israel for the following two decades if it was such a supporter?

2. So you blame Jews for Palestinian propaganda which you spout?
Jenin Massacre, Al-Durah, Gaza beach,fake funerals, are just a few examples of things which never happened but were blamed on Israel by the Palestinians than the UN and international media, HR orgs etc. THEY WERE ALL WRONG BUT BELIEVED IT EITHER DUE TO PALESTINIAN INCITEMENT OR THEY DIDN'T CARE IF IT WAS TRUE.

3. You only seem to care about Arab rights and not Jewish, Christian, Asyrian, Kurd, Copt, and the other dozen minorities in the region who are mostly oppressed.
The point is that the Arabs conquered the region and oppress the rest. Shouldn't everyone have freedom or is it only when Jews are involved that you have a problem? Note that Israeli Arabs have the same rights as Israeli-Jews.

4. You claimed that Jews stole Arab homes, and that Jews were stealing Arab land. You give no evidence. If this was the reason for the Arab violence why did it begin before the 1920's?
Why was there a massacre by the indigenous population against the Jews of Sefat in the 1830's if it was because of Jews stealing Arab homes?
Even when Jordan and Egypt controlled WB & Gaza the Palestinians didn't want a state. Their own charter 1964 clearly states that they have no right to the WB, Gaza and Himmah as it will be part of a larger Arab state.
You didn't mention 1920's but I believe you were speaking of the 1930's. Therefore I had to go back to explain to you that the violence started beforehand.
So again you try to justify Arab violence against Jews because they were there? STILL GIVEN NO EVIDENCE THAT JEWS STOLE ARAB LAND.

You yourself posted from the Mandate so you realize that Britains job was to encourage Jewish settlement on public land.

Why did the British institute restrictions on Jewish immigration from 1921 with a White paper eventually adding more over the following decades?

Why do you ignore the fact that the Arabs started the violence decades earlier?

5. WHAT YOU QUOTE WAS NEVER SAID HERE IS THE REAL QUOTE:-

We do not wish, we do not need to expel the Arabs and take their place. All our aspirations are built upon the assumption — proven throughout all our activity in the Land — that there is enough room in the country for ourselves and the Arabs.
Letter to his son Amos (5 October 1937), as quoted in Teveth, Shabtai, Ben Gurion: The Burning Ground; and Karsh, Efraim (2000), Fabricating Israeli History: The 'New Historians'; this has been extensively misquoted as "[We] must expel Arabs and take their places" after appearing in this form in Morris, Benny (1987), The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, 1947–1949, Cambridge University Press, p. 25.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/David_Ben-Gurion

SINCE THE QUOTE IS FALSE I HOPE YOU NEVER POST IT HERE AGAIN AND IT JUST DESTROYED YOUR LINK AS NOT CREDIBLE. A WEBSITE WHICH CAN'T TRANSLATE HEBREW IT SEEMS.

6.Are you unable to answer? No mention of non-Jewish political rights? What were Mandates for if not to create countries?

7. Yes when the land was desolate until the mid 1800's things were mostly peaceful. Jews often didn't have the same rights as others and couldn't even buy land for a period at the end of that century.

CONT.

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

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#111844 Dec 2, 2013
nutjobs here wrote:
On the opening day of the UN session on Palestine in November 1947, the delegate from the Philippines declared:
"The issue is whether the United Nations should accept responsibility for the enforcement of a policy whichc is clearly repugnant to the valid nationalist aspirations of the people of Palestine. The Philippines government holds that United Nations has the right not to accept such responsibility"

"The Zionists took the fight into their own hands. Rallying a group of influential Americans and selecting their targets with care, they exerted all possible influence...6 countries which had indicated their intention of voting against partition were chosen targets"

The delegates of these 6 countries (Haiti, Liberia, Philippines, China, Ethiopia, and Greece and their home governments were swamped with letters, telegrams, and visits from US Congressmen and others who invoked the name and Prestige of the US government. Columnist Drew Pearson reported that: "President Truman cracked down harder on his State Department than ever before to swing the United Nation's vote for the partition of Palestine"

The Western powers who dominated the UN at the time, were so determined to create a Jewish state that when the Arab states recommended that the question of United Nations jurisdiction which was in question, be referred to the International Court of Justice, they voted down the recommendation. NOW WHY WAS THAT??

Why did Truman crack down as mentioned above? The reason being that he wanted to be reelected for a second term and the zionists made it perfectly clear that would not happen if America did not support the Zionists.
http://www.badil.org/en/component/k2/item/169...

The minute the mandate was terminated Israel UNILATERALLY declared her independence.

The land that Israel has is not what was recommended re the partition. Why should the minority have the majority of the land. As far as the Tran Jordon and Syria goes it was mutually agreeable to the parties. That is not the case re Israel and Palestine

I didn't expect you to acknowledge the revisionist historians. It would not be in Israel's interest to try and tell the truth which is what needs to happen if peace is ever to be given a chance

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

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#111845 Dec 2, 2013
nutjobs here wrote:
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1 No it's not just me saying that . The US was hostile because they didn't really support Israel at the time. They didn't want to have to use force to enforce the partition plan and Truman was left in no doubt as to how he wouldn't be getting elected for a second term if he didn't support the Zionists

2 No, why would you say that. What I said was that the Palestinians had obviously seen how the Jews operated and decided that what was good for the goose was good for the gander.

3.No that is not correct for a long time I supported the Israelis and Israel and yet by doing further reading I changed my opinion. Even a lot of Jewish rabbis do not support what Israel has done

4. The land belonged to the Arabs and whilst I don't agree with their outlook on life it is up to them how they run their countries

5. In relation to Jordon and Syria. There was agreement on both side re the rulers and the British. That cannot be said in relation to the Arabs and the British re Palestine
The fact that it was translated by a Palestinian site does not decrease its credibility just yours

The people who were living in Palestine had inalienable rights because they were born there and possession is 9/10 of the law. The migrants from Europe who were not born there had no credibility or rights re land that did not belong to them. Imagine today if someone came along to somebody elses homeland and decided to take it for themselves because over 2000 years ago their parents had lived there. I don't think so!!!!!!!!!!

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

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#111846 Dec 2, 2013
*parents, parents, parents etc etc .

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

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#111847 Dec 2, 2013
Wayne and Friends wrote:
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Sheila, you were doing great up until u stated that the jews were victims of Holocaust. If you are implying that the arabs had nothing to do with the German Holocaust, you are right!
But you are wrong to think, for one second, that the German people gassed 18,12 or 6 million jews........You should be careful of falsely accusing the German people of War crimes that they NEVER committed..........Jews are NOT victims, they are liars........
Are you trying to say it never happened??? I have never put a number on their despicable deed but killed they were and there are enough eye witness accounts to support the claim. Are you also calling the red cross liars? How can you say that Jews were not victims we have all seen how they came out of the concentration camps( the ones that did) and listened to their stories

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

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#111849 Dec 2, 2013
The earliest insider information we have on Zionism’s thinking is from the diary of Theodor Herzl, the founding father of Zionism’s colonial-like enterprise. He wrote:

“We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our own country… expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly.”

Those words were committed to paper by Herzl in 1895 but they were not published (in other words they were suppressed) until 1962.

By August 1937 “transfer” was a discreet but hot topic for discussion at the 20th Zionist Congress in Zurich, Switzerland. All in attendance were aware that the process of dispossessing the Palestinian peasants (the fellahin) mainly by purchasing land from absentee owners had been underway for years. Referring to this David Ben-Gurion, who would become Israel’s first prime minister, said:

“You are no doubt aware of the (Jewish National Fund’s) activity in this respect. Now a transfer of a completely different scope will have to be carried out. In many parts of the country new settlement will not be possible without transferring the Arab fellahin…Jewish power (in Palestine), which grows steadily, will also increase our possibilities to carry out this transfer on a large scale.”

A year later Ben-Gurion told a meeting of the Jewish Agency that he supported compulsory transfer. He added:

“I don’t see anything immoral in it.”

In my view that’s a most revealing statement. It tells us – does it not?– that Ben-Gurion, the Zionist state’s founding father, was a man with no sense of what was morally right and wrong.

Joseph Weitz was the director of the Jewish National Fund’s Lands Department which was responsible for acquiring the land for Zionism’s enterprise in Palestine. One of his diary entries for December 1940 reads as follows:

“There is no way besides transferring the Arabs from here to the neighbouring countries, and to transfer all of them, save perhaps for (the Arabs of) Bethlehem, Nazareth and Old Jerusalem. Not one village must be left, not one (Bedouin) tribe. And only after this transfer will the country be able to absorb millions of our brothers and the Jewish problem will cease to exist. There is no other solution.”

Plan Dalet called for:

“Mounting operations against enemy population centres located inside or near our defensive system in order to prevent them from being used as bases by an active armed force. These operations can be divided into the following categories:

“Destruction of villages – setting fire to, blowing up, and planting mines in the debris – especially those population centres which are difficult to control continuously.

“Mounting search and control operations according to the following guidelines: encirclement of the village and conducting a search inside it. In the event of resistance, the armed force must be destroyed and the population must be expelled outside the borders of the state.”

Before the Zionist state declared itself to be in existence on 14 May 1948, more than 200 Palestinian villages had already been emptied and about 175,000 Palestinians were already refugees. Some had fled in fear; others were expelled by Zionist forces.

The prime fear factor was the slaughter by Zionist terrorists of more than 100 Palestinian men, women and children at Deir Yassin near Jerusalem. As Arthur Koestler was to write, the “bloodbath” at Deir Yassin was “the psychologically decisive factor in the spectacular exodus of the Arabs from the Holy Land and the creation of the Palestinian refugee problem.”

It was, however, Menachem Begin, Zionism’s terror master and subsequently prime minister, who provided the most vivid description of how well the slaughter at Deir Yassin served Zionism’s cause. In his book The Revolt, he wrote:

To be continued

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

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#111850 Dec 2, 2013
“Panic overwhelmed the Arabs of Eretz Israel. Kolonia village, which had previously repulsed every attack of the Haganah (the underground Jewish military organization that became the Israeli Army), was evacuated overnight and fell without further fighting. Beit-Iksa was also evacuated. These two places overlooked the road and their fall, together with the capture of Kastel by the Haganah, made it possible to keep open the road to Jerusalem. In the rest of the country, too, the Arabs began to flee in terror, even before they clashed with Jewish forces… The legend of Deir Yassin helped us in particular in the saving of Tiberias and the conquest of Haifa… All the Jewish forces proceeded to advance through Haifa like a knife through butter. The Arabs began fleeing in panic, shouting ‘Deir Yassin!’”

Three decades later, in an article for The American Zionist, Mordechai Nisan of the Truman Research Centre of the Hebrew University in Jerusalem expressed his concern about the failure to understand the major significance of terrorism in the struggle for Jewish sovereignty. He wrote:“Without terror it is unlikely that Jewish independence would have been achieved when it was.”

Read more about Alan Hart at:

http://www.alanhart.net/the-green-light-for-z...
Woody

Duncanville, TX

#111851 Dec 3, 2013
The Jewnited States of Satan?

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

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#111852 Dec 3, 2013
The People of Israel oppose the so-called "State of Israel" for four reasons:

FIRST -- The so-called "State of Israel" is diametrically opposed and completely contradictory to the true essence and foundation of the People of Israel..... The only time that the People of Israel were permitted to have a state was two thousand years ago when the glory of the creator was upon us, and likewise in the future when the glory of the creator will once more be revealed, and the whole world will serve Him, then He Himself (without any human effort or force of arms) will grant us a kingdom founded on Divine Service. However, a worldly state, like those possessed by other peoples, is contradictory to the true essence of the People of Israel. Whoever calls this the salvation of Israel shows that he denies the essence of the People of Israel, and substitutes another nature, a worldly materialistic nature, and therefore sets before them, a worldly materialistic "salvation," and the means of achieving this "salvation" is also worldly and materialistic i.e. to organize a land and army. However, the true salvation of the People of Israel is to draw close to the Creator. This is not done by organization and force of arms. Rather it is done by occupation to Torah and good deeds.

SECOND -- Because of all of this and other reasons the Torah forbids us to end the exile and establish a state and army UNTIL383438 the Holy One, blessed He, in His Glory and Essence will redeem us. This is forbidden even if the state is conducted according to the law of the Torah because arising from the exile itself is forbidden, and we are required to remain under the rule of the nations of the world, as is explained in the book VAYOEL MOSHE. If we transgress this injunction, He will bring upon us (may we be spared) terrible punishment.

THIRD -- Aside from arising from exile, all the deeds of the Zionists are diametrically opposed to the Faith and the Torah. Because the foundation of the Faith and Torah of Israel is that the Torah was revealed from heaven, and there is reward for those who obey it and punishment for those who transgress it. The entire People of Israel is required to obey the Torah, and whoever doesn't want to, ceases to be part of the congregation of Israel.

FOURTH -- Aside from the fact that they themselves do not obey the Torah they do everything they can to prevent anyone they get under their power from fulfilling the commands of the Torah, the claims to freedom of religion are lies. They fight with all of their strength to destroy the Faith of Israel.

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

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#111853 Dec 3, 2013
Sorry I left the link off my post

http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/oppositi...
danetoo

London, UK

#111854 Dec 3, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
<quoted text>Are you trying to say it never happened??? I have never put a number on their despicable deed but killed they were and there are enough eye witness accounts to support the claim. Are you also calling the red cross liars? How can you say that Jews were not victims we have all seen how they came out of the concentration camps( the ones that did) and listened to their stories
Sadly Sheila - once you deal with people like spathis and that horrible creature you're just replied to - you're dealing with people who "rewrite history" - who purposefully use organisations such as Red Cross (with false links)- and use revisionist historians

For example - someone like spathis has, in the past, quite happily used the writings of neo nazis in his pursuit of his absolute hatred of Jews - one of whom was Faurisson - another David Irving both of whom that ugly creature spathis call - "credible historians" - do look them up ... It's quite astonishing - and also how you've "swallowed" all of spathis' so called "scholars" without question - who've misquoted people - just to prove their own self hatred

Israel is of course not without blame ...

But to vilify them to such an extent - with all the huge Arab Muslim countries surrounding them - hating them - wishing they'd disappear off the face of the earth - along with a few loser Americans on here who blame their own failed existences on the Jews .... Is just wrong ...

Can you imagine a new Arab state where Israel is now - an end to Israel?? It would be a massacre ... All the current failed Islamic States fighting it out for power in that small strip of land?

Religion aside ... What do you realistically expect would happen there??

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

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#111855 Dec 3, 2013
danetoo wrote:
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Sadly Sheila - once you deal with people like spathis and that horrible creature you're just replied to - you're dealing with people who "rewrite history" - who purposefully use organisations such as Red Cross (with false links)- and use revisionist historians
For example - someone like spathis has, in the past, quite happily used the writings of neo nazis in his pursuit of his absolute hatred of Jews - one of whom was Faurisson - another David Irving both of whom that ugly creature spathis call - "credible historians" - do look them up ... It's quite astonishing - and also how you've "swallowed" all of spathis' so called "scholars" without question - who've misquoted people - just to prove their own self hatred
Israel is of course not without blame ...
But to vilify them to such an extent - with all the huge Arab Muslim countries surrounding them - hating them - wishing they'd disappear off the face of the earth - along with a few loser Americans on here who blame their own failed existences on the Jews .... Is just wrong ...
Can you imagine a new Arab state where Israel is now - an end to Israel?? It would be a massacre ... All the current failed Islamic States fighting it out for power in that small strip of land?
Religion aside ... What do you realistically expect would happen there??
Danetoo I hope you realize based on my prior posts on other forums that I don't "have it in for all Jews". I think that hate is visible on both sides. Of course I haven't just relied on what Spathis has stated. If the truth be known I don't respect him based upon how he posts to people on other forum. Nevertheless I have to speak out about what Israel has done in a country that is no longer theirs. The Arabs who are there in the main were born there or in the surrounding areas and are living in the area that we call Palestine. The Hebrews not Jews were last there over 2000 years ago and to now try and call it their homeland is not only untrue but detracts from the Arabs who were born there. You know I hope my opinion on how the Arabs treat others but it is their land now and at the end of the day I do not support multi culturalism based on past history. Even orthodox Jews do not support what Israel has done.

Hope your hip is healing up and you are now a lot more mobile!!!
danetoo

London, UK

#111856 Dec 3, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
<quoted text>Danetoo I hope you realize based on my prior posts on other forums that I don't "have it in for all Jews". I think that hate is visible on both sides. Of course I haven't just relied on what Spathis has stated. If the truth be known I don't respect him based upon how he posts to people on other forum. Nevertheless I have to speak out about what Israel has done in a country that is no longer theirs. The Arabs who are there in the main were born there or in the surrounding areas and are living in the area that we call Palestine. The Hebrews not Jews were last there over 2000 years ago and to now try and call it their homeland is not only untrue but detracts from the Arabs who were born there. You know I hope my opinion on how the Arabs treat others but it is their land now and at the end of the day I do not support multi culturalism based on past history. Even orthodox Jews do not support what Israel has done.

Hope your hip is healing up and you are now a lot more mobile!!!
I so Sheila and appreciate your reply ...

Have replied to you more thoroughly on the other forum ... Saw your reply there first :)

And yes - still a fractured hip - and only 10 days since op - but yesterday certainly far far better - saw exercises on YouTube for this sort of fracture - and did a few yesterday - but paying the price a bit today admittedly - ouch !!! That'll teach me and will definitely take it easier today !! Lol ... But walking far better with crutches now - allowed to be fully weight bearing from day after op / which is amazing really - of course I'm not by restrictions of pain (!!!)- but is still reassuring

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

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#111859 Dec 3, 2013
CONCERNING THE LETTER OF BEN-GURION TO HIS SON

A few months later, in a further letter which he wrote to his son from London, Ben-Gurion displayed more extreme views. Writing about the Negev, Ben-Gurion suggested that the Arabs might say that “it is better that the Negev should remain desolate than that the Jews should live in it.” Ben-Gurion felt that a situation where large tracts of land capable of absorbing large numbers of Jews were remaining empty, while Jews were being barred from returning to their land under the Arab pretext of insufficient room for both peoples, was unacceptable. Ben-Gurion's answer was simple,“We must expel Arabs and take their place.” He explained that the Jews' aspirations were founded on the assumption that there was sufficient room in Palestine for both Jews and Arabs but “if we have to use force - not to dispossess the Arabs of the Negev and Transjordan, but to guarantee our right to settle in those places - then we will have force at our disposal.”(96)

The above paragraph is quoted (in English translation) exactly as it appears in Ben-Gurion's handwritten letter, and also in the typewritten copy, both of which are to be found in Ben-Gurion's Archives in Sede Boker. It is from this text that Shabtai Teveth has quoted in the English version of his book “Ben-Gurion and the Palestinian Arabs.”(97) In the Hebrew version of his book, however, four Hebrew words have been added making it read,“We do not want and do not need to expel Arabs and take their place.”(98); these same additional four words (together with the previous two and a half lines) are in fact crossed out in Ben-Gurion’s handwritten letter! In the published edition of this letter,(99) the Editor (and, according to Shabtai Teveth, with the consent of Ben-Gurion(100)) completely omitted this sentence!

From the mid-1990s, a number of historians began to study in depth the “crossings out” in this letter of Ben-Gurion’s. In his book “Fabricating Israeli History”, Efraim Karsh, Professor of Mediterranean Studies at the University of London, argued that Ben-Gurion only intended to cross out the previous sentence but “in so doing, most probably due to an abrupt brush of the pen, he erased the critical [four Hebrew] words.”(101)

In an article in the journal “Alpayim”, Benny Morris wrote that “between 1937 and the 1970s, someone - presumably not Ben-Gurion himself -‘vandalised’ the original letter” by crossing out several lines of it. He added that the Archives of the Israel Defence Forces had, with the aid of modern technology, managed to decipher these crossed out words.(102) In a later article, Morris slightly modified this statement and wrote that these three lines had been crossed out “by Ben-Gurion or someone else, subsequently.”(103)

These views of Morris’s were ridiculed by Shabtei Teveth. Teveth indicated that one did not require the Archives of the Israel Defence Forces to decipher what was written under the crossing out - it could be read, albeit with a little difficulty, by just looking at the letter. In addition, a letter which he had received from these Archives stated that they had not even attempted to use modern technology to decipher it, since it was unnecessary in this case!. Teveth also regarded as absurd the idea that someone other than Ben-Gurion had done this crossing out. Also, the appropriate page of Ben-Gurion’s letter had been sent to the Criminal Investigation Department of the Israel Police in order to determine at what date these lines had been crossed out, but they were unable to do so.(104)

In conclusion, one must therefore say that this particular quote on transfer by Ben-Gurion is problematic!

http://chaimsimons.net/transfer04.html
danetoo

London, UK

#111862 Dec 3, 2013
orion wrote:
<quoted text>Who say I cannot be friend with a Jew? The problem is with him. If the crunch comes and he has to chose between me and his brethren, who do you think he will chose? Jews have no connection with their religion. Agreed if you are talking about Judaism, but the religion of Israel is Holocaustism as stated by the late Israeli Professor Yeshua Leibowitz. On top of this Jews are not a race according to Israeli source. So, please explain to us what you are after all? Shlomo Sands calls you an "invention". Please tell us also why, in every country where Jews have been welcome throughout the ages, within 50 years they have been hated by all and sundry. If you were that good, surely, everybody would love you. So please tell us what you are doing which is wrong in the eyes of others for them to want to harm you. And please do not blame others. What you are saying is that you live in a mental asylum to protect you from the mad people outside. That is not so.
I'm not Jewish - I'm a Dane and was born a Protestant - turned atheist

However what I've observed ... Jews are clever ... Very hard working - usually academics - and almost always do extremely well in whatever society they have inhabited throughout ages ...

Hold that together with a strong family pattern and quite strong moral codes and ethics

What do you get among other people who are looking "in" ... Not as well educated - not doing very well in their lives ... You get jealousy. You get a "clan" of other loser people you can relate to and agree with - who will chant along with you - "it's the Jews" ... "It's a conspiracy" ... "They are out to get us"

It's so much easier to like and identify with people who have less than you - who you can kind of ... Feel sorry for and superior to ...

When you say "Jews were hated by all and sundry" ... What you mean is - they were hated by you and people like you - which are not "all" - you feel it's "all" because you like to think of yourself as part of a majority ...

An NFL Fan

“Brevity is the soule of wit”

Since: May 09

USA

#111863 Dec 3, 2013
orion wrote:
<quoted text>. country where Jews have been welcome throughout the ages, within 50 years they have been hated by all and sundry. not so.
You're a vicious sort of a tiny racist, aren't you?
danetoo

London, UK

#111864 Dec 3, 2013
An NFL Fan wrote:
<quoted text>You're a vicious sort of a tiny racist, aren't you?
He's just a vicious sort of person ... A bit of a loser character ...

And ... Tiny ... In mentality ... In intellect ... In achievements I am guessing - no one is that hateful and vicious unless they have great losses / failures in their own lives ...

And
courteous europhobe

Plymouth, NH

#111865 Dec 3, 2013
Bobbalina of Sinai 55 wrote:
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/55
Jelllo Liverpool....
The Iraq invasion was one of the masterful Zionist AIPAC corruptive immoral war that was based upon all lies and deception to the International Community....
These outrageous lies amounted to 952 for George W. Bush who was the Manchurian Candidate of Zionism AIPAC in 2000.....
It is a high treasonous crime to lie to American citizens and make us part and parcel to Crimes against Humanity.
Since the 1990s with Bush Senior bombarding Iraq along with his paid alliance sham, we Americans stood by in silence as ungraded uranium, phosphates and dimes were used on Iraqi citizens. I dont know about the world, but I feel dirty, raped and violated by zionism/communism ideolofy and supreme atrocities.
Iraq?what lies? Mistakes~perhaps.

But really thank you for getting in so many "buzz" words in one paragraph!

Who used the chems in Syria?

Lemmee guess

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

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#111866 Dec 3, 2013
STRAIGHT FROM THE HORSES MOUTH!!!!!!!!!!

Retired Israeli General:“We Destroyed Arab Villages To Create Our State And I Feel Good About It”

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 9:26

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A retired Israeli military general told the Israeli Army Radio on his 100 birthday that the Israeli army destroyed and depopulated hundreds of Arab villages in order to establishment the state of Israel in 1948, and added that “he feels good about it.”

“I can sleep with clear mind”, Yitzhak Pondak, told the Israeli Army Radio (Galei Tzahal) last week,“otherwise the number of Arabs in Israel would have been a million more than their number now”.

Pondak headed Platoon #53 of the Givati Brigade, and served as Israel’s ambassador in Tanzania.

Imagine a nazi general saying that it felt good to do what the nazis did to the jews in WW2 and that he sleeps like a baby at night. People would be foaming at the mouth and going crazy over it. This however, I bet you haven’t even heard of. This racist, supremecist mindset is entrenched in israeli society. Just today in fact the fomer defence minister of Israel Avigdor lieberman said that the Gaza Strip need to be conquered and thouroghly cleansed of Arabs. America gives these people millions,billions of dollars in aid, mostly weapons, so that they can continue their ‘cleansing’ of the holy land and anyone opposed to it is immeditely slandered as a racist, anti-semite nazi.-Mort

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