#2055 Feb 11, 2014
Many cities sunked in water across the world,so what! u mean the people living in those areas belong to sunken cities fool mudaliyar, again this era kaliyuga was started before 5102 years,most of the languages and religions started to erstablish/born after 1500 b.c.,tamil language early inscriptions are cave inscriptions at 250 b.c these inscriptions are modified from bhattiprolu inscriptions at 250 b.c as tamil brahmi,no architectural temples was builted by tamil origins
#2057 Feb 11, 2014
idiot i gave you proof of srilankan inscription in tamil at 700 bc. then why again and again you are speaking 250bc. dont you have brain or dont you understand what we say. go and refer srilankan inscriptions in tamil and then come and speak. idiot. saying the same thing again and again. growup man
#2058 Feb 11, 2014
Mr.Naveen , r..u only talking ..foolishly & Mad....
Dear Mr.Naveen please give me a any proofs for Telugu is old language ..prove it.
Existing proofs that tamil is Oldest Indian Language
Mr.Naveen - first u do not Make flase information . Note : A date for Tamil-Brahmi inscriptions in Palani as early as the 6th B.C , but bhattiprolu 500 b.c script and Can u give me bhattiprolu 500 b.c script .how many place epigraphy found ?,
Above statement it self Tamil Brahmi 600 B.C Inscriptions found in (Palani )Tamil nadu)& bhattiprolu 500 b.c script.
In fact u writting all information wrong statement ........
1.First u study tamil histroy & People , Grammar .then u come & Speak . eg: Telugu Grammar (11th century A.D )vs Tolkappiyam ( Tamil Grammar )- 5th century BCE , Tamil is mother for dravidian language.
2.Please compare tamil (Sangam ) literature and telugu literature .
3.4.Tamil Script 5th century BCE ( Tholkappayam - Grammar Book ), See u think we have 5th century BCE year before grammar book mean- our language evolution Minimum 15,000 year before.
I have give more Significant Tamil Brahmi findings :-
1.There have been claims that fragments of Tamil Brahmi epigraphy found in Tamil Nadu and Sri Lanka date as far back as the 5th or 6th century BCE.
2. Recent claims for earlier dates include fragments of pottery from the trading town of Anuradhapura in Sri Lanka, which have been dated to the early 4th century BCE; and on pieces of pottery in Adichanallur, Tamil Nadu, which were associated with radiocarbon dates to the 6th century BCE. The claimed pre-Ashokan Bhattiprolu and Adichanallur inscriptions.
3.A date for Tamil-Brahmi inscriptions in Palani as early as the 6th century has also been claimed, but as of its 2011 announcement, Iravatham Mahadevan, "a leading authority on the Tamil-Brahmi and Indus scripts," and Dr. Y. Subbarayalu, Head of the Department of Indology at the French Institute of Pondicherry, cautioned that it was difficult to reach a conclusion on the basis of one single scientific dating.
4.A broken storage jar with inscriptions in Tamil Brahmi script in Quseir-al-Qadim,(Leukos Limen) Egypt, 1st century BCE. Two earlier Tamil Brahmi inscription discoveries at the same site, 1st century CE. which means 'pot suspended in a rope net'.
5.Tamil-Brahmi inscription on pottery found in Phu Khao Thong, Thailand, 2nd century CE. Touchstone (uraikal) engraved in Tamil in the Tamil-Brahmi script at Khuan Luk Pat, 3rd-4th century CE
6.Black and red ware potsherd with Tamil Brahmi inscriptions in Ucchapanai, Kandarodai, Jaffna, 3rd century BCE
7.Tamil Brahmi script dating to 500 BC found at Kodumanal, Chennimalai near Erode.
8.Tamil-Brahmi script dating back to the 3rd century BCE near Thenur, Madurai. Script is written in gold bar ..etc.
#2059 Feb 11, 2014
They are also ancient Jains.
Antiquity is to be traced for the religion before third sangam . Was there any religion at all?
It will be worthwhile to trace the origin between Murugan of South and Karthik of East.Even Indiran festival can give a dating for Tamil before Telugu?How many Agasthiyar temples ?and where are they.?Thank god that Telugu do not claim Agasthiyar but Malayalam claims.
#2060 Feb 11, 2014
You are yet to trace and understand the origin of Mudaliar, leave alone origin of Tamil.Do not know the difference between vellala and thuluvavellala. Can you list the cities sunken in water?
You do not even know the list of Pandian kings or list or early sozhas. just digging your head in the mud and cannot see the light to build constructive evidences and arguments. Thanks once again you have awaken the true historians bashing you left and right At least west is proved beyond doubt that South has a glorious past history and literature.
Agasthiyar, tholkappiyar , panini,valmiki did not know telugu but only Tamil and sanskrit. All belong to same period, Name one poet of that period or a literature belonging to Telugu.
You do not know how many Agasthiyars and avvaiyars lived and contributed in Tamil and not in Telugu .Who is Mukkudumi?I can list your ignorance.
#2061 Feb 11, 2014
Naveen, inscriptions and structures came first or oral tradition came first. Second writing on olai came first or inscriptions on rocks
Telugu revived Tamil Sangeetham but you have no idea of the number of musical instruments described in Tamil literature that were lost completely with voluminous literatures, What is left trace is speaking and standing tall against all world literatures.
#2062 Feb 11, 2014
arey jacob idiot, can u provide any link for tamil inscriptions at 700 b.c
#2063 Feb 11, 2014
These tamil fools always fights with the fake theories and false statements they cant accept the facts,tamilnadu is a joke,tamilnadu is formed with 42%of telugu origins,tamil kings are early cholas,pandyas and cheras, telugu kings are pallavas,mid and later cholas,madurai nayaks,tanjore nayaks,bodhi dharma is a telugu,kambar,sarvepalli radhakrishna,tyagaraja etc..are telugu people in tamilnadu these tamils are ignorant,no temple architectures were builted by tamil kings
#2064 Feb 11, 2014
These tamils claims that inscriptions in srilanka,malaysia,palani etc...are old as 400 b.c.but those are never older than 10th century a.d.,tamil inscriptions found in srilanka bcoz medieval cholas ruled tamilnadu at 9th century,and in malaysia bcoz pallava kings and cholas ruled malaysia,ashoka introduced brahmi script in tamilnadu at 250 b.c.and those are scientifically earlier inscriptions of tamil,But In Telugu u can see bhattiprolu script and other kingdoms inscriptions are similiar with different periods u can find same script in a kingdom of 300 b.c. Ashoka script 265 b.c.and shatavahanas,ishvakus,anandagh otrikas,vishnukundinas,salanka yanas etc.... These tamils also claim that sunken city belons to them mad fellows,in this yuga or era the religions and languages started to establish/found before 1500 b.c. For ex;judaism was founded in nearly b.c 1000,zoroastrianism at 700 b.c.,buddhism and jainism at 500 b.c.,christianity aprox100 a.d.,islam at 600 a.d.and Hinduism is very older than these religions bcoz the aryan culture(indian culture) or sanatana dharma is called as hinduism,no founders for hinduism but a great culture.while coming to languages sanskrit is oldest language in the world bcoz sanskrit has tremendous literatures before the birth of south languages,sanskrit was official language of india at those days thats why all the oldest north and south indian kingdoms have sanskrit and some native languages as their official languages,and sanskrit has vedas,stotrams,puranas,mantras ,sutrams on the gods.only ur tamils in india says sanskrit as indo european language bcoz u r jealous on its literaure
#2065 Feb 11, 2014
1.Sanskrit do not have own writing scripts , I have doubt Rigveda which script written ? Sanskrit oral language & origin place Iran . Please Clarifiy .
Finaly do not spread false information.Mr. Naveen ? Sanskrit - No Native Script & Now days hardly 5000 people only speaking all over world . Why ....... How they written all Vedas in sanskrit , Please Tell me .
Note : Lord Krishana color is Black , so Krishana (Kannan ) draviden ( Tamil ) Origin.
2.First study about Tamil Kings - The Pandyan or Pandian dynasty was an ancient Tamil dynasty, one of the three Tamil dynasties, the other two being the Chola and the Chera). u will know the histroy of tamil.
3. U said Archaeological Survey of India is foolish people .Archaeological Survey of India discovery the all evidence.
Significant Tamil Brahmi findings :-
1.A broken storage jar with inscriptions in Tamil Brahmi script in Quseir-al-Qadim,(Leukos Limen) Egypt, 1st century BCE. Two earlier Tamil Brahmi inscription discoveries at the same site, 1st century CE.
2.An inscribed amphora fragment in Tamil at the ancient Ptolemic-Roman settlement of Berenice Troglodytica, Egypt, 1st century BCE- 1st century CE.Tamil-Brahmi inscription on pottery found in Phu Khao Thong, Thailand, 2nd century CE. Touchstone (uraikal) engraved in Tamil in the Tamil-Brahmi script at Khuan Luk Pat, 3rd-4th century CE.
3.Potsherds with Tamil Brahmi inscriptions found in Poonagari, Jaffna, 2nd century BCE.
Black and red ware potsherd with Tamil Brahmi inscriptions in Ucchapanai, Kandarodai, Jaffna, 3rd century BCE.
Mr. Naveen do u think Archaeological Survey of India discovery the all evidence are flase information ? Plsese Clarify.
u do not say same story Again again bhattiprolu script 400 bc & Tamil Brahmi script dating to 500 BC found at Kodumanal, Chennimalai near Erode , Tamil-Brahmi script dating to 600 BC found at Porunthal site is located 12 km South West of Palani ..
#2067 Feb 12, 2014
Sanskrit- What is the difference between Vedic Sanskrit and Classical Sanskrit?Which periods?
How many Tamil root words are in Rig Veda?
How come official status was studied by elites only and common people spoke common language for ages.Till date you could not find the research paper on Tamil during Ramayana and how Valmiki wrote also poems in Tamil,How Valmiki named Sundarakandom following Tamil tradition.
Which is Madura mozhi?
Accept that mother tongue was never Sanskrit, and it is a coded musical ,elite ,language for memorizing and recapitulating generation after generation .
Similarly Tamil developed many many type of style for memorization, some have lost which have been described in the oldest Tamil
Religion- Trace historical evidences before birth of religions and cultures, across the world. Many can find strong correlation with the descriptions in Tamil literatures.
19th century historians considered Kannada may be an elder sister or daughter of Proto Tamil, no where I came across Telugu as older than Tamil.Even Telugu kings ruling for several years patronized Tamil and Sanskrit or Pali and Sanskrit.
What is the difference between Tamil Brahmi and Asoka period Of Brahmi letters.
Denying Tamil antiquity mean that South has no history before Alexander,^shatavahanas,ishvak us,anandagh otrikas,vishnukundinas,salanka yanas etc....etc^.
I wish you quote any historical novels based on true and imaginary characters and relate them with historical records like Ponniyinselven based on Sozha kings. It is available in English translation.
You will also deny like Europeans and even Tamil historians of 19th century that Tamils did not know marine trade and sea voyage.
You will also claim that Musuri port belong to telugu and not to Tamil and Malayalam(claimed to be Kodumtamil)
#2068 Feb 12, 2014
Naveen - FYI,
Tamil Nadu was the home of the Three Tamil kingdoms: the Chera, Chola and Pandya .
Chronology of Tamil history:-
Pre-historic periodc. 150,000-100,000 BCE - Evidence for presence of Hominins with Acheulean technology in north Tamil Nadu.
c. 30,000 BCE-Paleolithic industries in north Tamil Nadu
c. 8000-3000 BCE-Pre-pottery microlithic industries
c. 3000-1000 BCE-Neolithic and fine microlithic industries
Pre-Sangam periodc. 1000-300 BCE-Megalithic age
c. 600 BCE-Tamil-Brahmi prevalent as the Tamil script
c. 300 BCE- Greek ethnographer Megasthenes visits Pandyan capitol Madurai.,
c. 250 BCE-Asoka's inscription recording the four kingdoms (Chera, Cholas, Pandya and Satyaputra) of the ancient Tamil country
c. 200 BCE-Elara, a Tamil prince and contemporary of Dutte Gamini, rules Lanka
Sangam agec. 200 BCE-200 CE-Sangam age during which books of Sangam Literature are created
c. 150 BCE-Kharavela of Kalinga records his conquest of a federation of Tamil kings in his Hathigumpha inscription
c. 13- Greek historian Nicolaus of Damascus met, an ambassador sent by Pandyan King to Caesar Augustus, Strabo XV.1-73.
c. 1-100- The Periplus of the Erythraean Sea gives detailed description of early Chera and Pandya kingdom and mentions Tamil country as 'Damirica'.
c. 77 and 140 Greco-Roman writers Pliny the Elder and Ptolemy mention Madurai ruled by Pandyan.
c. 130- Chera king Udayanjeral rules in the Chera country
c. 175-195-Gajabahu I of Lanka a contemporary of Chera Senguttuvan and Karikala Chola (the Gajabahu synchronism)
c. 190- Chera Kadukko Ilanjeral Irumporai rules in the Chera country
c. 200-Writing becomes widespread and vattezuttu evolved from the Tamil Brahmi becomes a mature script for writing Tamil
c. 210- Pandya Neduncheliyan rules in Madurai and defeats his enemies at the battle of Talaiyalanganam
Post-Sangam periodc. 300-590-Kalabhras invade the Tamil country and displace the traditional rulers
c. 300-500-Post-Sangam period, Tamil epics such as Silappatikaram written
Pallava and Pandyac. 560-580-Pallava Simhavishnu overthrows the Kalabhras in Tondaimandalam
c. 560-590-Pandya Kadungon rules from Madurai and displaces the Kalabhras from the south
c. 590-630-Pallava Mahendravarman I rules in Kanchipuram
c. 610-Saiva saint Thirunavukkarasar (Appar) converts Mahendravarman from Jainism
c. 628-Chalukya Pulakesi II invades the Pallava kingdom and lays siege on Kanchipuram
c. 630-668 Pallava Narasimhavarman I (Mamalla) rules in Tondaimandalam
c. 710-730-Pandya king Kochadaiyan Ranadhiran expands the Pandya kingdom into the Kongu country
c. 830-862-Pandya Sirmara Srivallabha rules in Madurai
c. 840-Srimara invades Lanka and captures the northern provinces of the Lanka king Sena I[c. 862-Sinhala forces under Sena II invade the Pandya country and sack Madurai. Srimara is killed in battle
Chola periodc. 903 -Aditya Chola defeats the Pallava king Aparajita
c. 949 -Battle of Takkolam. Rashtrakuta Krishna III defeats the Chola army
c. 985 -Accession of Rajaraja Chola I
c. 1010 -Rajaraja completes the Brihadisvara Temple
c. 1012 -Accession of Rajendra Chola I
c. 1023 -Rajendra's Expedition to the Ganges
c. 1025 -Chola navies defeat the king of Srivijaya
c. 1041 -Rajendra invades Lanka
c. 1118 -Vikrama Chola
c. 1133 -Kulothunga Chola II
c. 1146 -Rajaraja Chola II
c. 1163 -Rajadhiraja Chola II
c. 1178 -Kulothunga Chola III
c. 1216 -Rajaraja Chola III
c. 1246 -Rajendra Chola III
#2069 Feb 12, 2014
totally wrong information
#2070 Feb 12, 2014
There was no script in tamilnadu before ashoka inscriptions at 250 b.c. Temples in tamilnadu were builted later 7th century. Pallavas(Andhras,telugus)are founders of south indian temple architectures or dravidian architectures). Medieval cholas are telugus,raja raja is a telugu chola,rajendra,uttam,aditya,pa rantaka etc...are telugu cholas from(andhra kingdom). Early cholas ,pandya,chera,are only three original tamil kingdoms remaining kingdoms not belongs to tn. Temples in tamilnadu were builted by telugu kings.
#2071 Feb 12, 2014
Madurai Meenakshi amman temple was also not builted by pandyans,u tamils says its a 2500 year olden temple,before 2500 years there was no rockcut architectures existed in india,there is no correct date for madurai temple construction and ur tamil govt hiden the facts and claims it was builted by tamilorigins(pandyas) but it was not builted by pandyas,pallavas are founders of dravidian architectures in 6th century,madurai temple is in architectural styles of kakatiya,madurai nayaks and keladi nayaks,madurai 1000 pillar temple architecture is copied from 1000 pillar temple (10 c.e.) of kakatiyan kingdom,and sculptures on pillars with horse riding wariors is similiar to keladi and kakatiya temples. Nayaks are the origins of ap,nayak caste originated in andhrapradesh,nayaks are the warriors and army of kakatiyan kingdom,after the fall of kakatiyan empire kakatiyas migrated to vijayanagara empire and some migrated to karnataka,nearly 12 clans nayak kingdoms in tamilnadu and karnataka are origin of telugus,vijayanagara temple architectures builted after the joining of nayak wariors in vijayanagara kingdom,not only nayaks,reddiars,mudaliyar,etc. ..are telugu origins in tamilnadu
#2072 Feb 12, 2014
These tamils also wrote favour to them in wikipedia that tyagaraja,bodhi dharma,kambar,sarvepalliradhak rishna,mid cholas,pallavas,etc...as tamils,but they are andhras and telugus
#2073 Feb 12, 2014
please visit madurai meenakshi amman temple website you will get the complete details about that temple. we dont want your own guesses. see nellaiappar temple website also. both temples were renovated after 700 ad. but they were built before bc. nellaiappar temple is mentioned in the ramayana itself what do you say. rama came to thamirabarani river and prayed there.
And also see god dakshinamurthy ( datsinaamoorthy) the southern siva. he only taught the vedas to the north indian sages. learn well god dakshinamurthy is mayan.
#2074 Feb 12, 2014
in your village today only you built a school means it does not mean the whole world is illiterate till today. tamils were 10000 years advanced than rest of the world
#2075 Feb 12, 2014
Tamil claims and theories are all selfish and foolish,they foolishly claims about the times belonging to ice ages of 30,50,100000 and 200000 years
New Delhi, India
#2076 Feb 12, 2014
HINDUISM is the oldest Language of India Ever. The Word 'Hindu' is all over the Vedas, Upanishads, Smritis, Puranas (can't you people read for yourself?). It has been proven by our beloved Congress National Party.
The word "India" is also mentioned in all of the Bharatiya/Jambudveepa/Hindusta ni/Sone ki chidiya Granths and scriptures.... All Major Granths Like Bhagavata Purana, Vishnu Puran, Rig Ved, Sam Ved etc. start with "Aum Hindu" and end with "India". In between some of these scriptures are vague mentions/indications regarding "Sanatan Dharam", "Aad -Dharam", "Bharam", "Jambudweep", "Sone Ki Chidiya" etc.
The Greatest Sage of India is different according to different people and communities. Some say the greatest sage is VALMIKI, others say VISHWAMITRA, some say VASHISHTHA, etc. without knowing that they were great robbers looters of their time. They later became sages. But the greatest sage of all time in India is LORD BRAHMA who raped his own daughter Bhagwati Saraswati and married her. In this process, the Veena was used as a Divine dildo and not a musical instrument as a common human mind might think.
The Greatest Scripture ever Survived is the "Hindu Charita" written by Goddess Saraswati herself which is as follows:
Mai Hindu Mai Maader Bindu |
Meri Hijadi Qaum Niraali ||
Kehtey Mujhko Sab Hain Hindu |
Dete Mujhko Sab Hain Gaali ||
Mai Naa Sudhri Kabhi Bhi Saali |
Mai To Hoon Ek Gandi Naali ||
I guess a few short lines are only there as above in Pure Hinduism language. Some Hindi slangs are also there...
Will have to rechek the above phrase from "Hindu Charita". If needed, will contact Bhagwaan Hindu Museum.
Jai Hindu Museum!!!
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