Which is the Oldest Indian Language? ...
Sri

Ashburn, VA

#2002 Feb 7, 2014
Sanskrit is only language that no one know how it is old even scientist.

becoz it is 2 billion old language.
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#2003 Feb 7, 2014
Jacob,dont make false statements. Telugu is older than all south indian languages and mother of all south indian languages and what do u know about prakrit language,already the prakrit was highly developed in 4th century b.c.e. It has outstanding scriptures and literature at 4th century b.c.e. Prakrit words are similiar to sanskrit and prakrit is in devanagiri script. Telugu is mother of brahmi script,all south indian languages are derived from brahmi script, early brahmi inscriptions was found in bhattiprolu at 400
b.c.and ashoka modified it as tamill brahmi at 250 b.c.e. Oldest Kannada inscriptions at 350 a.d in tagarthi, malayalam inscriptions at 830 c.e. In vajhapally.
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#2004 Feb 7, 2014
Gauriyan,telugu converted to tamilian as hindu converted to muslim listen,why are ur tamil fools feel shame to accept the facts,42% of people in tamilnadu are the origin of telugus,telugus are densely packed in the areas of krishnagiri,dharmapuri,thiruva llur,velur,kanchipuram,salem,d indugal,madurai,theni,virudhna gar,thuthukudi,thirunelveli,ap art from chennai and coimbattore cities,khammas,naikers,reddies ,telugu brahmins,telugu chetties,arunthathiars,rajus,t elugu yadavs and more commitees are telugus,but they dont have telugu educations and not mentioned telugu as their mother tongue and not shown by ur authorities,there are many villages,towns,assembly and parliament constiencies dominated by telugu people and origins and telugu people are forgetting telugu generation by generation half of ur tamilnadu is formed with telugu origins remember this
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#2005 Feb 7, 2014
Idiot Jacob,only early cholas are tamils,midieval cholas belong to andhra and acended the chola throne and ruled tamilnadu and lived as tamils
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#2006 Feb 7, 2014
Mudaliar wrote:
<quoted text>\
Rajeswer
Why half , it is not a language at all .Because one letter mispronounced yielded a great Kaviam
Kondu va became konruva meaning ^BRING HIM TO THE COURT^misunderstood? mischief? so that Kovaln , the hero was killed ? A great literature by tribals.
How come tribals spoke same letter with different sounds with great meaning.
yes,tamil is not a language at all
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#2007 Feb 7, 2014
Mudaliyar,yes tamil is not a language at all,ignorant tamil tribals did not discovered new words and used same words for different meanings fools,while other languages like sanskrit,telugu,prakrit, people discovered many words with same meaning,in sanskrit there are nearly 80 words for the meaning of water,7 words for the meaning of sun etc.... No doubt, sanskrit is the powerful and oldest language in the world and telugu is older than tamil
tamilian

Bangalore, India

#2008 Feb 7, 2014
tamil is the oldest surviving language and the only dravidian language
which has not been influenced by sanskrit. Andhra was ruled by outsiders
pallavas and cholas (tamilians) rashtrakutas and vijayanagar (kannadigas)
telugu script derived form Kadamba script which was developed by jain monks who came from north india and settled in karnataka. present telugu
script was developed by chalukyas of vengi (rajputs from north india)
so telugu fools do some research before posting baseless comments
Karnata

Bangalore, India

#2009 Feb 7, 2014
Tamils are language fanatics given a chance, tamilians claim all languages came from tamil, even C, C++, Java .... tamil not being influenced by sanskrit is false tamil has as many sanskrit loan words as kannada or any other lang. the only difference is that in the first half of the 20th century there was a movement by konga fanatics to get rid of all the sanskrit loan words and 'restore' their so called classical divine tamil.

so what they did was sat down and made a collection of all the sanskrit loan words and either invented new words from some esoteric source or simply changed the pronunciation and for some of the words they blatantly started claiming that sanskrit had borrowed it from tamil!! and finally they started claiming that they had 'cleansed' tamil of all its sanskrit influence. bah!! and for all their fake theories, they find some white skinned idiot(from caldwell to hart) to give them a certificate.

even this so called sangam literature of tamil. if you go by solid epigraphical evidence, the earliest evidence for it from the pandyan regime is from the late 9th century onwards. they have no proof to date it to 3rd century BC except their own vivid imaginations. that is the reason you find that 'extant' tamil literature predates 'extant' literature in other languages by centuries.

Kannada is the most scientific language of the world anyone who has studied SIRIBHOOVALAYA will agree
Siribhoovalaya is a unique work it is written in kannada numerals not alphabet, and no other such manuscript known to exist. The first President of independent India called it the eighth wonders of world due to its uniqueness and hiding so much literature in its short form
Gauriyan

Ashburn, VA

#2010 Feb 7, 2014
Vinod S wrote:
<quoted text>
In those days the Artists come street by street and perform the drama and dance in the conclusion time they take the plate and come around the public for collecting the money almost like begging & now it is somewhat modernised. And u are proud of it?
Bloody why pulling the Cinemas into this block. How fat brain yours is......
Dont waste your time in replying to this man you cant get proper answer from him rather...please remeber this topic is tamil vs sanskrit not telugu...according to him anna jayalalitha karunanihi are all telugus?...when i say they are looters of tamilnadu he is saying they are great looters...
muhammad

Bangalore, India

#2011 Feb 7, 2014
kannadigas are lazy most corrupt people in india worst than tamils and telugus
RAM

Dubai, UAE

#2012 Feb 8, 2014
Mr.Naveen - Wake Up

First u study tamil histroy & People , Grammar .then u come & Speak . eg: Telugu Grammar (11th century A.D )vs Tolkappiyam ( Tamil Grammar )-3rd century BCE , Tamil is mother for dravidian language.

First U Study SANGAM LITERATURE.

Sangam literature refers to a body of classical Tamil literature created between the years c. 600 BCE to 300 CE.This collection contains 2381 poems composed by 473 poets, some 102 of whom remain anonymous The period during which these poems were composed is commonly referred to as the Sangam period, referring to the prevalent Sangam legends claiming literary academies lasting thousands of years, giving the name to the corpus of literature. Sangam literature is primarily secular dealing with everyday themes in a Tamilakam context.

World people accept tamil is classical language & IND's only one classical Language .

Naveen please compare Tamil Grammar time , Sangam literature & Telugu Grammar Time ?
jacob tirunelveli

Kolkata, India

#2013 Feb 8, 2014
RAM wrote:
Mr.Naveen - Wake Up
First u study tamil histroy & People , Grammar .then u come & Speak . eg: Telugu Grammar (11th century A.D )vs Tolkappiyam ( Tamil Grammar )-3rd century BCE , Tamil is mother for dravidian language.
First U Study SANGAM LITERATURE.
Sangam literature refers to a body of classical Tamil literature created between the years c. 600 BCE to 300 CE.This collection contains 2381 poems composed by 473 poets, some 102 of whom remain anonymous The period during which these poems were composed is commonly referred to as the Sangam period, referring to the prevalent Sangam legends claiming literary academies lasting thousands of years, giving the name to the corpus of literature. Sangam literature is primarily secular dealing with everyday themes in a Tamilakam context.
World people accept tamil is classical language & IND's only one classical Language .
Naveen please compare Tamil Grammar time , Sangam literature & Telugu Grammar Time ?
mr.ram this person naveen is not in good mind. he is not giving proofs. instead he is saying the same thing again and again. he cant give proofs because he doesnt know anything. even he doesnt know telugu also. he is claiming a prakrut group of inscription as telugu inscription. and when i say prakrut he thinks prakrut is a single language and he is saying some rubbish. uneducated people like him are many in this forum. we cant advice them because they have no brain.
Ram

Dubai, UAE

#2014 Feb 8, 2014
Mr.Naveen - AP

FYI,
Archaeological & Geological Evidence
A discovery made by a team of marine archaeologists from India’s National Institute of Oceanography (NIO) in March 1991 has begun to bring about a sea-change. Working the off-shore of Tarangambadi-Poompuhar coast in Tamilnadu near Nagapattinam, a research vessel equipped with side-scan sonar, identified a man-made object and described it as “ a horse shoe shaped structure”. In 1993, it was examined again and NIO’s diver archaeologists reported that the U-shaped structure lies at a depth of 23 metres and about 5 kms offshore.
The significance of that discovery is that it is a much older structure to any discovered earlier. Subsequent explorations carried out by Graham Hancock and his team, who working in association with Dr Glen Milne, a specialist in glacio-isotacy and glaciation induced sea-level change, were able to show that areas at 23 metres depth would have submerged about 11,000 years before the present time or 9,000 BC. The historical significance of that fact is that it makes the U-shaped structure 6,000 years older than the first monumental architecture of Egypt or of ancient Sumer or Mesopotamia (in present day Iraq) dated around 3,000 BC and traditionally regarded as the oldest civilisations of antiquity.
The Durham geologists led by Dr. Glen Milne have shown in their maps that South India between 17,000-7,000 years ago extended southward below Cape Comorin (Kanya Kumari) incorporating present day Ilankai/ Sri Lanka. It had an enhanced offshore running all the way to the Equator. The maps portray the region as no history or culture is supposed to have known it. The much larger Tamil homeland of thousands of years ago as described in the Kumari Kandam tradition takes shape. It supports the opening of the Kumari Kandam flood tradition set in the remote pre-historic period of 12,000 –10,000 years ago. The inundation specialists confirm that between 12,000-10,000 years ago Peninsular India’s coastlines would have been bigger than what they are today before they were swallowed up by the rising seas at the end of the Last Ice Age.
With its description of submerged cities and lost lands, the Kumari Kandam tradition predicted that pre-historic ruins more than 11,000 years old should lie underwater at depths and locations off Tamilnadu’s coast. The NIO’s discovery and Dr. Milne’s calculations now appear to confirm the accuracy of that prediction. At that period of time, Ilankai/ Sri Lanka was part and parcel of South India. It is, however, in the inundation map for 10,600 years ago as seen that the island to the south of Kanya Kumari had disappeared to a dot, and the Maldives further ravaged.
But more importantly, a neck of sea is seen separating Tuticorin in South India from Mannar in what is now Ilankai/ Sri Lanka. It is however in the map for 6,900 years ago that the separation of Ilankai/ Sri Lanka from the South Indian mainland is complete as it is today. Ilankai/ Sri Lanka’s separate existence as an island, so it seems, began 6,900 years ago or circa 4,900 BC.
Ram

Dubai, UAE

#2015 Feb 8, 2014
Naveen kumar wrote:
<quoted text> yes,tamil is not a language at all
Mr. Naveen

Tamil Civilisation - is it the oldest in the world.

Recent Developments.

The current state of play as known to history, until the recently emerging evidence, is that the history of the Tamils is said to begin in the pre-historic or more acceptably in the proto-historic period of about 500 BC. Tamil / Dravidian culture associated with the megalithic sites in places such as Adichanallur (more correctly Adityanallur) in the Tinnevely District of Tamilnadu and across the Palk Straits in Pomparippu in north-western Ilankai/ Sri Lanka are regarded by historians / archaeologists as belonging to the Dravidian peoples of whom the Tamils at that time were their first and foremost representatives.

Those finds from Adichanallur though dated earlier to be around 300 BC have now been shown to date back to 1,700 BC, following the currently ongoing excavations with advanced dating techniques. The archaeologists, studying the inscriptions on stones and artefacts, reported recently on that basis that Tamil civilisation existed more than 4,000 years ago. They went on to say that Tamil / Dravidian civilisation which began in present day Tamilnadu spread to the other parts of the world from there, as they considered Adichanallur to be the cradle of Tamil civilisation. Linguistic data of Tamil and other existing Dravidian langages too support only a movement from south to north of the spread of those languages, as Tamil is shown to be their parent language.

This present state of knowledge has however received a startling knock from another quarter with the recent underwater archaeological finds relating to the lost Tamil continent of Kumari Kandam. For what those discoveries reveal, though at the presnt moment only the tip of the iceberg, so to speak, has been uncovered, is the existence of a lost continent and lost cities in an antediluvian era stretching back before the melt-down of the Last Ice Age and the inundations of those lands.

The evidence thus far reveals the existence of man-made structures twenty-three metres beneath the sea, five kilometres off the Tarangambadi- Poompuhar coast near Nagapattinam in South India. Its existence at such a depth is calculated as having taken place over many thousand years ago. This ties in with the geological evidence of such happenings at that time as well as the Tamil traditions of the first two Tamil Sangams referred to earlier.

The unfolding archaeological and geological evidence is proving to be the historical validation that Tamil civilisation which reached a high-point during those two Tamil Sangams had their beginnings 11,000 years ago or circa 9,000 BC. What is the evidence currently available, be it archaeological, geological or other which will substantiate the Kumari Kandam tradition.
Ram

Dubai, UAE

#2016 Feb 8, 2014
Naveen kumar wrote:
<quoted text> yes,tamil is not a language at all
Mr. Naveen -Tamil Civilisation - is it the oldest in the world.

2. Literary Evidence

According to th Kumari Kandam tradition, over a period of about just 11,000 years, the Pandyans, a historical dynasty of Tamil kings, formed three Tamil Sangams, in order to foster among their subjects the love of knowledge, literature and poetry. These Sangams were the fountain head of Tamil culture and their principal concern was the perfection of the Tamil language and literature. The first two Sangams were not located in what is now South India but in antediluvian Tamil land to the south which in ancient times bore the name of Kumari Kandam, literally the Land of the Virgin or Virgin Continent.

The first Sangam was head-quartered in a city named Then-madurai (Southern Madurai). It was patronised by a succession of eighty-nine kings and survived for an unbroken period of 4,400 years during which time it approved an immense collection of poems and literature. At the end of that golden age, the First Sangam was destroyed when a deluge arose and Then-madurai itself was swallowed by the sea along with large parts of the land area of Kumari Kandam.

However, the survivors, saving some of the books, were able to relocate further north. They established a Second Sangam in a city called Kavatapuram which lasted 3,700 years. The same fate befell this city as well, when it too was swallowed by the sea and lost forever all its works with the sole exception of the Tolkappiyam, a work on Tamil grammar. Following the inundation of Kavatapuram, the survivors once again relocated northward in a city identified with modern Madurai in Tamilnadu, then known as Vada-madurai (Northern Madurai). The Third Sangam lasted for a period of 1850 years and most scholars agree that that Sangam terminated around 350 AD.

Literary evidence of the lost continent of Kumari Kandam comes principally from the literature of the Third Tamil Sangam and the historical writings based on them. Many of them refer to the lost Tamil lands and to the deluges which ancient peoples believed had swallowed those lands. The Silappathikaram, a well known Tamil literary work, for instance mentions,“ the river Prahuli and the mountain Kumari surroundered by many hills being submerged by the raging sea”.

The Kalittogai, another literary work, specifically refers to a Pandyan king losing territories to the sea and compensating the loss by conquering new territories from the Chera and Chola rulers to the north. In his commentary on the Tolkappiyam, Nachinarkiniyar mentions that the sea submerged forty-nine nadus (districts), south of the Kumari river. Adiyarkkunelar, a medieval commentator, says that before the floods, those forested and populated lands between the Prahuli and Kumari rivers stretched 700 kavathams, ie for about 1,000 miles. As observed by Prof.(Dr) M. Sunderam,“The tradition of the loss of a vast continent by deluge of the sea is too strong in the ancient Tamil classics to be ignored by any serious type of inquiry.”
Ram

Dubai, UAE

#2017 Feb 8, 2014
Naveen kumar wrote:
<quoted text> yes,tamil is not a language at all
Mr.Naveen - Awake !!!!!!!!!!

Please compare tamil literature and telugu literature . which language is rich literature .Then u come & speak to me.U didn't know about any Tamil histroy .

May be your grandfather's also tamil origin & mind your words.
Ram

Dubai, UAE

#2018 Feb 8, 2014
Naveen kumar wrote:
<quoted text> yes,tamil is not a language at all
Mr.Naveen - Truth ( Indian follow macaulay education system ) That why u didn't know indian Histroy . First you respect tamil Language ( Tamil GOD ).

Final Conclusion.(Literary Evidence & Archaeological & Geological Evidence)

At present, no civilisation, as known to current history, existed in the Tamil lands of South India around 9,000 BC. Yet the discovery of the U-shaped structure by India’s marine archaeologists leads us to seriously consider that it was the work of a civilisation that archaeologists had failed to identify as its ruins lie submerged so deep beneath the sea. As Mr. S. R. Rao, the doyen of Indian marine archaeology, stated in February 2002,“I do not believe it is an isolated structure; further exploration is likely to reveal others around it”.

Though it is understood that no further explorations have taken place since 1995, the Boxing Day Tsunami of last year can be expected to renew interest in them. There is ample scope for socio-anthropologists, archaeologists, geologists and scholars of Tamil and Tamil history to further research the subject. Given that the First and Second Sangams were a golden age of literary, artistic and musical creativity amongst the Tamils, we are looking at a civilisation which had reached a high level of development, organisation and cultural advancement from as early as 11,000 years ago from today.

do not compare tamil ( Amma ) vs teluge(daughter). Mind It.
jacob tirunelveli

Kolkata, India

#2019 Feb 8, 2014
dear ram,
excellent peace of work . your explanation is great. this north idiots always diny kumari kandam. but lot os proofs are comming. recently researchers found sand sediments in the ridges of the indian ocean near and far maldives. the ridges of the ocean is ever expanding scientifically. so the ocean bed gets deeper and deeper. thats how kumari kandam was submerged. researchers showed huge mountain like rigde that starts near kerala coast and extends till the centre point of australia and africa. researchers say maldives will soon get submerged as the other lands submerged 1000 of years ago.
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#2020 Feb 9, 2014
Karnata wrote:
Tamils are language fanatics given a chance, tamilians claim all languages came from tamil, even C, C++, Java .... tamil not being influenced by sanskrit is false tamil has as many sanskrit loan words as kannada or any other lang. the only difference is that in the first half of the 20th century there was a movement by konga fanatics to get rid of all the sanskrit loan words and 'restore' their so called classical divine tamil.
so what they did was sat down and made a collection of all the sanskrit loan words and either invented new words from some esoteric source or simply changed the pronunciation and for some of the words they blatantly started claiming that sanskrit had borrowed it from tamil!! and finally they started claiming that they had 'cleansed' tamil of all its sanskrit influence. bah!! and for all their fake theories, they find some white skinned idiot(from caldwell to hart) to give them a certificate.
even this so called sangam literature of tamil. if you go by solid epigraphical evidence, the earliest evidence for it from the pandyan regime is from the late 9th century onwards. they have no proof to date it to 3rd century BC except their own vivid imaginations. that is the reason you find that 'extant' tamil literature predates 'extant' literature in other languages by centuries.
Kannada is the most scientific language of the world anyone who has studied SIRIBHOOVALAYA will agree
Siribhoovalaya is a unique work it is written in kannada numerals not alphabet, and no other such manuscript known to exist. The first President of independent India called it the eighth wonders of world due to its uniqueness and hiding so much literature in its short form
yes man,tamil people are selfish and foolish people,they cant accept facts
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#2021 Feb 9, 2014
Gauriyan wrote:
<quoted text>
Dont waste your time in replying to this man you cant get proper answer from him rather...please remeber this topic is tamil vs sanskrit not telugu...according to him anna jayalalitha karunanihi are all telugus?...when i say they are looters of tamilnadu he is saying they are great looters...
telugu politicians are contributed more for tamilnadu economy,they are powerful leaders in tamilnadu,if u dont know facts shut up

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