Which is the Oldest Indian Language? ...
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#1874 Jan 22, 2014
Gauriyan wrote:
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is it?...so telugu and all other indian languages have all vowels which tamil didnt have?...how could you write "vaigai" in telugu or sanskrit?...there is no vowel "i" in devanagari script which is the root script of telugu and sanskrit outside tamilnadu...but the oldest indian written script tamili has the vowel "i"...first word in rig veda is "Agnimizhe"...there is no letter for "zha","zhe " in devanagari but the tamili script has...devanagari only have "la" but tamili has "la","lha" ,"zha"...if there is no tamil root words in sanskrit there is no sanskrit...but if you remove sanskritised words from tamil it will still survive...take this sanskrit sloga from valmiki ramayana kishkinda khanda
tatra siitaam ca vaidehiim nilayam
raavaNasya ca || 4-40-19
maargadhvam giri durgeSu vaneSu
ca nadiiSu ca |
19b, 20a. tatra= there; vaidehiim
siitaam ca= princes from Videha
kingdom, of Seetha, also;
raavaNasya nilayam ca= of Ravana,
residency, also; giri durgeSu= in
mountains, impassable places;
vaneSu ca= in forests, even;
maargadhvam = shall be searched.
"There in the East, the forests,
mountains and impassable places
shall be searched for the princess
from Videha kingdom, namely
Seetha, and even for the residency of
Ravana.[4-40-19b, 20a]
here vaidehi means princess of videha kingdom in sanskrit,but the tamil meaning gives clear identity about sita...vaidehi is a pure tamil word that is used frequent only among tamils...vai means earth in tamil(vaiyam alandhaan-he who measured world), dehi means body in tamil...which means the one who came from earth or having earth as her body, nila"i"yam is the pure tamil word for dwelling place(paerundhu nilaiyam-bus stand) and since there is no "i" sanskrit word becomes nilaya but in this sloga it is mentioned as nilaya'm'...adding 'im' at the end like siitaa"m", nilaya"m",vaidehi "m",maargadhva" m" gives completeness and this practice exists only in tamil among india languages...
telugu language has 18 vowels,tamil have 13 vowels,telugu language had every vowel and we can write any spelling from any language,we can write what we read,we can read what we wrote,but tamils doesnot sounds all the words properly,tamil doesn't have many vowels, if u have any doubt study about telugu
Mudaliar

Bangalore, India

#1875 Jan 23, 2014
Naveen kumar wrote:
<quoted text> telugu language has 18 vowels,tamil have 13 vowels,telugu language had every vowel and we can write any spelling from any language,we can write what we read,we can read what we wrote,but tamils doesnot sounds all the words properly,tamil doesn't have many vowels, if u have any doubt study about telugu
Indeed, an interesting compilation but I wonder why Kambar wrote in Tamil the Ramayana, Valmiki wrote poems in Tamil and Ramayana in Sanskrit? Annadurai, Karunanidhi are all eloquent Tamil orators
How come you could not lay your hands on history of Pandian kings?Who ruled Before 800 B.C
What is the contribution of of other states in early history?
How come Telugu grammar is close to Panini and got sanskritised like other languages except Tamil which too had but can stand on its own without Sanskrit domination.
Every language had its upside and downside for various political scenarios. But which one stands out and reemerge.All south Indian languages must have originated from some root.
What is it and which one retained the antiquity.
It is necessary all local .languages need to be patronised. But it does not mean by distorting the truth.Please note linguistically one cannot divide and rule.Gone are those tactics.
Try and see the good of all languages and compare objectively. It is the Tamil poet BharathI said that Telugu language is sunder /beautiful.
Well provide some links on the antiquity of telugu history.
Before comparing as vowels try to understand what is yuir (life force) and mei(body)and the combination only gives rise to words. It is true that Tamil has single letters with different meanings and many words have more than one meaning as well as the sounds of each word depends upon usage and meaning.,
But today with technology catching up I wonder we have to innovate or adopt to impart knowledge, other wise languages will remain for literary pursuit only..
Mudaliar

Bangalore, India

#1876 Jan 23, 2014
I am reproducing for convenience to build constructive arguments for building history before 800 b.c.e
^References about Mahabharat in Sangam Literature
The references about and of Mahabharat in the Sangam literature have been of the following nature:
Connecting the Tamil Kings of Tamizhagam with Mahabharata
The usage of Mahabharata, characters, episodes etc., prove that the Sangam Poets had been well aware of the work during the material period. Though, the Great War was fought in the North separated by thousands of kilometers, its percolation to South down and its recording in the Tamil literature has been unique. Unless, there had been some relation between the Tamils and Mahabharata, the Poets could not have registered its presence positively in their poems.
The Contemproneity of Cheraman Peruncheraladhan
Muranjiyur Naganar, while singing the praise of Cheraman Peruncheraladhan, records that he offered food without any limit to the fighting armies of The Five and The Hundred (this is the usual expression used) implying Pandavas and the Kauravas, till the latter fell down dying (Puram.2.13-16). The following questions arise in the context10:
Whether the reference is historical or mere poetic exaggeration to eulogize the King to get Gifts.
Whether, the food was offered at the Site or he made any arrangements, if so in what way?
Why no cross-reference is found in the Mahabharata itself, had a Chera King did such a service?
In any case, the Poet knew the following facts:
The Pandavas were refused their land, which was due to them.
They got angry because of this and decided to fight.
They fought with Kauravas.
The Kauravas fell dying in the battlefield.
As the Chera, Cholas and Pandyas have been mentioned in the text of Mahabharata giving their details of participation in Rajasuya, the Great war etc.
Thus, in historical perspective, a Chera King might have participated in the War and he might have been given the charge of feeding the army, which the poet describes in his own way.
The Relation of Velir with “Tuvarai” and Krishna
Kapilar records certain details about Irngovel (Puram.201:8-12), which are to be scrutinized critically:
Irungovel was born from a Yagna Pit (Tadavu) of a Rishi living in the North.
He ruled a city named “Tuvarai”, which had walls made of Copper like material.
He used to give alms without any discrimination.
He descended from the “Velir dynasty”, which had in existence for 49 generations before him.
The following points are noted after critical observation:
If we take 15/20/25 years as the reign of each generation, then the Velir must have been ruling since 500 +735 / 500+980 / 500+1225 or since 1235 / 1480 / 1725 BCE. Incidentally, which tallies with the “Tramiradesa Sanngatham” that threatened the territories of Kharavela as recorded in the Kharavela / Hathigumpa inscription.
Surprisingly, the Kharavela’s inscription records that he defeated a confederacy of Dravidian Kings, which was threatening his territorial integrity. And that confederacy was 1300 years old during his reign.
Interestingly, scholars have hitherto been mentioning that it was 103, 113, 130 or 300 years old, but, actually, the inscription reads that it was 1300 old.
If we consider that “Tuvarai”11 was a famous town in Mysore as revealed through inscriptions existing in 12th century CE, then, the reign of first generation comes to 1st cent .BCE / 3rd cent.CE /4th cent.CE, which contradicts the Sangam chronology.
If we place the first dynasty at par with Mahabharata period, then, each dynasty must have ruled for nearly 40 years (3102-1000=2102/49=42 years), which may not be accepted by the modern scholars.
Gauriyan

United States

#1878 Jan 23, 2014
Naveen kumar wrote:
pallavas,medieval cholas,nayak kingdoms,bodhi dharma,tyagaraja,nagarjuna acharya,kambar aka kambudu,karunanidhi,anna,jayal alitha,sarvepalli radha krishna, etc..lot of people are the origin of telugus in tamilnadu,according to 2011 censius 42% of the tamil population are telugus, this is the ability of telugu people
why should "karunanithi,anna,jayalal itha" came here?...i request you to see the topic again it is "Which is the Oldest Indian
Language? Sanskrit Vs Tamil" not "Looters of tamilnadu"...
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#1879 Jan 23, 2014
Mudaliar wrote:
<quoted text>
Indeed, an interesting compilation but I wonder why Kambar wrote in Tamil the Ramayana, Valmiki wrote poems in Tamil and Ramayana in Sanskrit? Annadurai, Karunanidhi are all eloquent Tamil orators
How come you could not lay your hands on history of Pandian kings?Who ruled Before 800 B.C
What is the contribution of of other states in early history?
How come Telugu grammar is close to Panini and got sanskritised like other languages except Tamil which too had but can stand on its own without Sanskrit domination.
Every language had its upside and downside for various political scenarios. But which one stands out and reemerge.All south Indian languages must have originated from some root.
What is it and which one retained the antiquity.
It is necessary all local .languages need to be patronised. But it does not mean by distorting the truth.Please note linguistically one cannot divide and rule.Gone are those tactics.
Try and see the good of all languages and compare objectively. It is the Tamil poet BharathI said that Telugu language is sunder /beautiful.
Well provide some links on the antiquity of telugu history.
Before comparing as vowels try to understand what is yuir (life force) and mei(body)and the combination only gives rise to words. It is true that Tamil has single letters with different meanings and many words have more than one meaning as well as the sounds of each word depends upon usage and meaning.,
But today with technology catching up I wonder we have to innovate or adopt to impart knowledge, other wise languages will remain for literary pursuit only..
read some true historical books or do more research about kambar,valmiki,tyagaraja ,bodhi dharma etc... on valmili he was born in andhrapradesh, he is a boya means fisheries in cast, valmiki wrote ramayana and poems in sanskrit not in tamil,go and ask ur tamil people they also say that karunanidhi,jayalalitha,anna etc....are telugu people
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#1880 Jan 23, 2014
Gauriyan wrote:
<quoted text>
why should "karunanithi,anna,jayalal itha" came here?...i request you to see the topic again it is "Which is the Oldest Indian
Language? Sanskrit Vs Tamil" not "Looters of tamilnadu"...
they are the telugus and the great cms in tamilnadu
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#1881 Jan 23, 2014
Mudaliyar u fool, muthuraja or mudaliyar are basically the descendants of telugu warriors/kings who migrated from rayalaseema of andhrapradesh, the mudiraj people also spread into kerala,karnataka,maharashtra,g ujarath,and other parts of north india and they are also called as kolis in north india
Gauriyan

Ashburn, VA

#1882 Jan 23, 2014
Naveen kumar wrote:
<quoted text> they are the telugus and the great cms in tamilnadu
great looters of tamilnadu
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#1883 Jan 23, 2014
Gauriyan wrote:
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great looters of tamilnadu
stupid, they are powerful leaders than ur poor ignorant tamil leaders
Raju

Ashburn, VA

#1885 Jan 23, 2014
Gauriyan wrote:
<quoted text>
why should "karunanithi,anna,jayalal itha" came here?...i request you to see the topic again it is "Which is the Oldest Indian
Language? Sanskrit Vs Tamil" not "Looters of tamilnadu"...
not only in india, sanskrit is the oldest language in the world
nirmal

Chennai, India

#1887 Jan 24, 2014
Tamil is oldest language,tamil born 20000 year's before
Mudaliar

Bangalore, India

#1888 Jan 24, 2014
nirmal wrote:
Tamil is oldest language,tamil born 20000 year's before
Just claiming is not enough. Provide the links when controversial statements are made.
Mudaliar

Bangalore, India

#1889 Jan 24, 2014
Raju wrote:
<quoted text> not only in india, sanskrit is the oldest language in the world
Ya, that is the trap Euro, Greek and German centric racism theory which is dying out.Well without Sanskrit and other oldest languages , history cannot be rewritten .
tamilvendan

Kuwait, Kuwait

#1890 Jan 24, 2014
u r fool ,tamil is a oldest language.....human first language taml
tamilvendan

Kuwait, Kuwait

#1891 Jan 24, 2014
any one scientific proof give a sanskrit is a oldest language,but tamil many more history and scientific proof...human first language tamil...
dan

Chennai, India

#1892 Jan 25, 2014
u must be a kannadiga who can't digest the growth and popularity of tamil, right
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#1893 Jan 25, 2014
dan wrote:
u must be a kannadiga who can't digest the growth and popularity of tamil, right
whom are you talking to?
Krishna

Ashburn, VA

#1894 Jan 25, 2014
Naveen kumar wrote:
Mudaliyar u fool, muthuraja or mudaliyar are basically the descendants of telugu warriors/kings who migrated from rayalaseema of andhrapradesh, the mudiraj people also spread into kerala,karnataka,maharashtra,g ujarath,and other parts of north india and they are also called as kolis in north india
ofcourse, andhra pradesh is the legendary state and big brother of south india followed by tamilnadu,karnataka and kerala
jacob tirunelveli

Bangalore, India

#1895 Jan 26, 2014
please refer to magasthenes of rome . their history has lot of connection with chandra gupta mouriya during 340bc. in this history books it is said the chandra gupta mauriya administration had no writings all laws and literatures were kept in mind.
Common

Melbourne, Australia

#1896 Jan 27, 2014
This page is loaded with lots of info ...many thanks to Jacob for amazign research & facts and peace for being nasty!!!

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