Which is the Oldest Indian Language? ...
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#1852 Jan 20, 2014
Telugu people in tamilnadu;Pallavas are telugu kings,medieval cholas are telugus like raja raja chola,rajendra chola 1,rajendra chola 2,uttama chola etc...,nayaks are telugus nearly 11 nayak kingdoms in tamilnadu and karnataka are telugus like madurai,tanjavur,vellore,chitr adurga,keladi etc...are descendants of kakatiya kingdom in andhra pradesh, Bodhi dharma is a telugu,tyagaraja is a telugu,sarvepalli radha krishna is a telugu,kambar aka kambudu is a telugu, temples in tamilnadu were builted by telugu kings like pallavas,medieval cholas,nayaks etc.. Totally the tamil architecture was builted by telugu kings,no historical architectures were builted by tamil kings like cheras,jafnas,thondaman,early cholas,pandyas.
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#1853 Jan 20, 2014
Tamilnadu politicians cm's like jayalalitha,karunanidhi,anna, srilankan revolutionist vaigo etc...are telugu people,lot of telugu people in foreign countries like singapore,malaysia,maritius etc are counted as tamils,before independence there were 41% telugu people in tamilnadu but only 7% r counted as telugus and another 34% of telugu people are counted as tamils who were unable to speak in telugu properly means only 3600000 people are counted as telugus in tamilnadu, in 1956 there were 60% of telugu people and 40% of tamil people in madras city but these tamils asked madras and we telugu people leaved madras and settelled in andhra pradesh.
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#1854 Jan 20, 2014
NRI Telugu people are nearly 40 lakhs,kannada nri people are 10 lakhs, telugu people in india; 36 laks in tn,33 lakh in karnataka,13 lakh in maharashtra,nearly 40 lakh people living in all other states of india,before independence the tamil population was half of the telugu populations but now the tamil populations came near to telugu population, telugu is the mostly spoken language in india after hindi, in the world most speaken than tamil and kannada,temples in tamilnadu were builted by telugu kings and engraved inscriptions in telugu, pallavas are the origin of telugus founders of south indian architectures and built lot of great temples in tamilnadu and engraved inscriptions in telugu,medieval cholas,nayaks build temples and engraved inscriptions in telugu this is the strength of telugus ability
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#1855 Jan 20, 2014
Half of the Tamilnadu is ruling by the telugu origins
Mudaliar

Bangalore, India

#1857 Jan 21, 2014
Gauriyan

An objective and good analysis. It is true Telugu and Kannada kings ruled several centuries.It is not the number of people but quality of early literature Iyal, Isai, Nadagam that can match any oldest languages of the world.
It is necessary to dig more objectively early 2000 years Pandian rule(before christian era) with devotion and patronized Tamil. It is unfortunate that existence of three sangams are being disputed. If someone can document the early Pandian kings and early chera kings as well as the contemporary poets timeline, and highlight from various other sources viz, Jainism, early Buddism, Greek, Arab and Chinese travellers accounts etc,we can construct valid arguments.
tgirl

Chennai, India

#1858 Jan 21, 2014
Tamil is the oldest language in the world..
Due to the natural disasters,many of the the tamil litertures died before it was known to the world..
After which time, whoever wrote the vedas and epics,wrote them in Sanskrit which made people believe that sanskrit is the oldest.
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#1859 Jan 21, 2014
Gauriyan wrote:
<quoted text>
So you have accepted the early cholas ,pandiyas were tamils medieval cholas are telugus thats it... this topic is just about the oldest not who is more or dominant.. as far as i know kulothunga chola is the first telugu cholan not raja raja or rajendra chola...wheras telugu mixing with pandiyans happened after nayaks rule in madurai till then it is only a pure tamil region...if you read tamil literatures,thiruvilaiyadal puranam, tamil temple histories,hindu puranas,you can always find chola kings as well as pandiyan kings both in ramayana as well as mahabharatha...as you mentioned telugu kings contributed a lot in tamil architecture but just think why should they do it mostly in tamilnadu instead of karnataka or andhra...during islamic invasion the nayak kingdom mainly concentrated on restoring madurai more than andhra or karnataka because it is their ancestral place madura vijayam tells about that...none of the indian dynasties had the pride to get lord sivan as son in law, godess sakthi as daughter, but the pandiyan dynasty has...
u fool raja raja chola,rajendra chola 1,rajendra chola 2 are telugu cholas not tamils,as u said telugu cholas started with kulothunga chola is wrong he is a 13th telugu chola, the telugu cholas are started with vijayalaya chola and raja raja chola is the 9th and rajendra chola 1 is a 10th telugu chola
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#1860 Jan 21, 2014
Gauriyan wrote:
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So you have accepted the early cholas ,pandiyas were tamils medieval cholas are telugus thats it... this topic is just about the oldest not who is more or dominant.. as far as i know kulothunga chola is the first telugu cholan not raja raja or rajendra chola...wheras telugu mixing with pandiyans happened after nayaks rule in madurai till then it is only a pure tamil region...if you read tamil literatures,thiruvilaiyadal puranam, tamil temple histories,hindu puranas,you can always find chola kings as well as pandiyan kings both in ramayana as well as mahabharatha...as you mentioned telugu kings contributed a lot in tamil architecture but just think why should they do it mostly in tamilnadu instead of karnataka or andhra...during islamic invasion the nayak kingdom mainly concentrated on restoring madurai more than andhra or karnataka because it is their ancestral place madura vijayam tells about that...none of the indian dynasties had the pride to get lord sivan as son in law, godess sakthi as daughter, but the pandiyan dynasty has...
u stupid how cholas and pandyas are mentioned in ramayana and mahabharatha? The chera, chola and pandyan kingdoms established in b.c 300, the only south indian kingdom established at b.c 800 was assaka aka ashmaka kingdom from andhrapradesh and aryabhatta the great and first astronomer and mathematician was from andhrapradesh
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#1861 Jan 21, 2014
tgirl wrote:
Tamil is the oldest language in the world..
Due to the natural disasters,many of the the tamil litertures died before it was known to the world..
After which time, whoever wrote the vedas and epics,wrote them in Sanskrit which made people believe that sanskrit is the oldest.
lol... Tamil is the half language it doesn't have many vowels and sanskrit is south indian language and originated in south india not north india and north indian languages are persian-arabic
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#1862 Jan 21, 2014
These tamils living in blind beliefs as their language and history is older than others while coming to the facts the tamils feel proud and think their history is old bcoz of temple architectures and those stonecut architectures were builted by the great telugu kings,telugu is oldest language than tamil,telugu inscriptions found that dated back to 500 b.c and tamil inscriptions found that dated back to 300 b.c,kannada inscriptions found dated back to 600 a.d,malayalam language born at 1200 a.d,kannada lipi derives from telugu lipi and malayalam derived from tamil. Telugu people are culturally and traditionally much better than tamils,south indians,and indians
Mudaliar

Bangalore, India

#1863 Jan 21, 2014
Naveen kumar wrote:
<quoted text> u stupid how cholas and pandyas are mentioned in ramayana and mahabharatha? The chera, chola and pandyan kingdoms established in b.c 300, the only south indian kingdom established at b.c 800 was assaka aka ashmaka kingdom from andhrapradesh and aryabhatta the great and first astronomer and mathematician was from andhrapradesh
Naveen kumar

I hear for the first time that Aryabhatta is from Andhrapredesh ?Please provide more information on his origin and the links .It is good that b.c 800 there was a South Indian kingdom existed.What about extreme south, including Kerala?
You mean to say that Tamil kingdoms did not exist before b.c 800..
Regarding Mahabharata and Ramayanam if you have not come across references of Pandya kingdoms, it does not mean anything .I am not a historian but definitely read arguments in favor of the regime of Pandya kings..Why Rama did not take Pandya help in his war with Ravana.? During Mahabharata war, Pandyan king earned a name for providing food ?

I wonder what Literature existed in Telugu before Christian era and why there was a long period of absence for any outstanding literature in Telugu.

How Tamil got classical language status before other south Indian languages.
In how many countries Telugu is the National language first or at least second.
Probably You will enlighten us with facts on Telugu language and its grammar.

I am sincerely wish to know more about Telugu .It does not mean that you can abuse me in this forum. That is your choice.
Gauriyan

United States

#1864 Jan 21, 2014
Naveen kumar wrote:
<quoted text> lol... Tamil is the half language it doesn't have many vowels and sanskrit is south indian language and originated in south india not north india and north indian languages are persian-arabic
is it?...so telugu and all other indian languages have all vowels which tamil didnt have?...how could you write "vaigai" in telugu or sanskrit?...there is no vowel "i" in devanagari script which is the root script of telugu and sanskrit outside tamilnadu...but the oldest indian written script tamili has the vowel "i"...first word in rig veda is "Agnimizhe"...there is no letter for "zha","zhe " in devanagari but the tamili script has...devanagari only have "la" but tamili has "la","lha" ,"zha"...if there is no tamil root words in sanskrit there is no sanskrit...but if you remove sanskritised words from tamil it will still survive...take this sanskrit sloga from valmiki ramayana kishkinda khanda
tatra siitaam ca vaidehiim nilayam
raavaNasya ca || 4-40-19
maargadhvam giri durgeSu vaneSu
ca nadiiSu ca |
19b, 20a. tatra= there; vaidehiim
siitaam ca= princes from Videha
kingdom, of Seetha, also;
raavaNasya nilayam ca= of Ravana,
residency, also; giri durgeSu= in
mountains, impassable places;
vaneSu ca= in forests, even;
maargadhvam = shall be searched.
"There in the East, the forests,
mountains and impassable places
shall be searched for the princess
from Videha kingdom, namely
Seetha, and even for the residency of
Ravana.[4-40-19b, 20a]
here vaidehi means princess of videha kingdom in sanskrit,but the tamil meaning gives clear identity about sita...vaidehi is a pure tamil word that is used frequent only among tamils...vai means earth in tamil(vaiyam alandhaan-he who measured world), dehi means body in tamil...which means the one who came from earth or having earth as her body, nila"i"yam is the pure tamil word for dwelling place(paerundhu nilaiyam-bus stand) and since there is no "i" sanskrit word becomes nilaya but in this sloga it is mentioned as nilaya'm'...adding 'im' at the end like siitaa"m", nilaya"m",vaidehi "m",maargadhva" m" gives completeness and this practice exists only in tamil among india languages...
Gauriyan

United States

#1865 Jan 22, 2014
Mudaliar wrote:
Gauriyan
An objective and good analysis. It is true Telugu and Kannada kings ruled several centuries.It is not the number of people but quality of early literature Iyal, Isai, Nadagam that can match any oldest languages of the world.
It is necessary to dig more objectively early 2000 years Pandian rule(before christian era) with devotion and patronized Tamil. It is unfortunate that existence of three sangams are being disputed. If someone can document the early Pandian kings and early chera kings as well as the contemporary poets timeline, and highlight from various other sources viz, Jainism, early Buddism, Greek, Arab and Chinese travellers accounts etc,we can construct valid arguments.
chola kings lineage from manu is available from the thiruvalangadu copper plates unearthed...but pandiyan kings lineage could be traced only if more archaelogical surveys should be taken from government side...the only source available today about the earlier pandiyan lineage before common era is from "thiruvilaiyadal puranam" version written by paranjothi munivar...though there is not much archaelogical evidence found about earlier pandiyan kings some indirect evidence is there for the existence of pandiyan kings and pandiayan culture...thiruvalangadu copper plates mentioned a fight between a pandiyan king and ravana in which pandiyan won...kalidasar's raghuvamsam mentioned the 21 kings before and after rama's period...in that he described about a pandiyan's participation in rama's grandmother's swayamvaram(aja's wife)...kalidasar also mention the habit of pandiyans that they follows only monogamy...from srimad bhagavatham we can know about one pandiyan king indhradyumnan mentioned in gajendra moksha...his son's name is "malaiyadwajan"...ma lai means mountain in tamil and dwaja means flag which means the one who placed his flag in mountains(himalayas)...there is also a pandiyan named malaiyadwajan son of kulasekara pandiyan who is the founder of present madurai city...so this name malaiyadwajan could be a common name among pandiyans...the below symbol is the kangeyam breed bull found in indus valley used in pandiyan's bull fight(jallikattu) which shows pandiyan culture once spreaded across entire bharath...

http://iyadav.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/...

http://iyadav.com/yadava-kingdoms-after-the-b...
Raja

Dubai, UAE

#1866 Jan 22, 2014
Peace wrote:
<quoted text>
I know you tamils have nothing better to die for. We will die for India. You keep on dying for Tamil and TamilNadu. Stupid bunch of Idiots :P Dunno what stupidity you inherited from your ancestors.
where Language is important the country :D hehehe...dumbo's
Mr. Peace we fight for our language, its true... Check the productivity of India 80% of it comes from the Dravidian states. without Tamil nadu and its brother dravidian states India will be worse than most backward African country... Most top scientists are from south India.. Most talented persons are from South India.. Tamizhan won a Oscar.. Tamizhan converted India into a nuclear power.. We have our pride as Thamizhans.. You don't speak Sanskrit coz its a dead language.. What you speak, Hindi which is a mixer of Sanskrit, Persian, Arabic and Tamil.. So decide who is Stupid you parasites....
Mudaliar

Bangalore, India

#1867 Jan 22, 2014
Gauriyan

Indeed an interesting compilation and links.But timeline is missing along with sources. It is necessary to attempt for the probable time lines and and sources even if it creates controversies.
Again information on South India is still very limited. Mahabharata and Ramayana epics timeline even disputed can be used for clarity and further research. We are no longer bound by earlier distortions.All the research done in the past can be analysed objectively.It is necessary to show the world that in the East(as we are known by the west by this label) that history of South India can be traced back several thousand years before Christian era.It matters very little if we can compile from proto Tamil, Telugu ,Kannada and Malayalam.
We need to arrive the probable starting timeline for Pallavas,Early Pandyas,(from first Sangam period) early cholas, cheras ,velirs etc.
Mytholgy and history got fused and need to be dissected and merge with other advancements in knowledge and information technology.
It is revealing that Indus valley civilization^s has link with Yadav community.
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#1868 Jan 22, 2014
Mudaliar wrote:
<quoted text>
Naveen kumar
I hear for the first time that Aryabhatta is from Andhrapredesh ?Please provide more information on his origin and the links .It is good that b.c 800 there was a South Indian kingdom existed.What about extreme south, including Kerala?
You mean to say that Tamil kingdoms did not exist before b.c 800..
Regarding Mahabharata and Ramayanam if you have not come across references of Pandya kingdoms, it does not mean anything .I am not a historian but definitely read arguments in favor of the regime of Pandya kings..Why Rama did not take Pandya help in his war with Ravana.? During Mahabharata war, Pandyan king earned a name for providing food ?
I wonder what Literature existed in Telugu before Christian era and why there was a long period of absence for any outstanding literature in Telugu.
How Tamil got classical language status before other south Indian languages.
In how many countries Telugu is the National language first or at least second.
Probably You will enlighten us with facts on Telugu language and its grammar.
I am sincerely wish to know more about Telugu .It does not mean that you can abuse me in this forum. That is your choice.
the great mathematician and astronomer is born at 476 c.e in the ashmaka kingdom in andhrapradesh state the capital city of ashmaka kingdom was bahudanyapura aka bodhan in the district of nizamabad aka indhooru also known as indhrapuri
Choismo

Colorado Springs, CO

#1869 Jan 22, 2014
Cham pugaipo dotra melokae
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#1871 Jan 22, 2014
The early south indian kingdoms first established in andhrapradesh, the ashmaka kingdom was established in 800 b.c to 300b.c,shatavahanas kingdom 230 b.c, ishvakula kingdom 220 ad, salankayana and anandaghotrika kingdoms at 300 ad, vishnukundinas at 400 ad, pallavas 200 ad to 600 a.d in ap, the great kakatiyas at 1000 c.e all the migrations from kakatiya kingdoms are nearly 11 to 12 clans in tamilnadu and karnataka like madurai nayaks,vellore,tanjavur,kandy, chitradurga,keladi nayaks,gingee, etc...and many more great kingdoms ruled the great andhrapradesh.
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#1872 Jan 22, 2014
The ashmaka kingdom established in 800b.c ruled upto 300 b.c.. Valmiki the author of ramayana is from andhrapradesh, the great shrimadvirat veerabrahmendra swami(kalagnanam) and yogi vemana are telugu superhumans they are great saints,astronomer,future predictor,poets,rishis,prophec y,apothecare and the teachings and kalagnanam what these rishis said those are happening in the world now, thallapaka annamacharya 1400 c.e the great founder of cainatic music is a telugu composed over 36000 sankeerthanas on lord venkateshwara,the great sriramadasu 1600 c.e is a telugu famous carnatic composer composed thousands of sankeerthanas on lord rama and written 100's of intelligent poems,tyagaraja 1700 c.e is another famous great carnatic composer is a telugu, great acharyas nimbaraka acharya,vallabha etc are the great principle acharyas born at b.c.e in ap, and a lot of great social reformers,freedom fighters,scientists,great intelligent poets are born in the great land of andhra pradesh, andhra pradesh had the great nick names called "rice bowl of india" and "egg bowls of asia" . In the history the hyderabad aka bhagyanagari was called as "city of pearls" , the rayalaseema region was called as rathanala seema means land of diamonds,pearls bcoz these pearls and diamonds are selled down on the streets this is not the history of b.c its recent history before 400 years do u have any title like that for ur states like tamilnadu or other states
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#1873 Jan 22, 2014
pallavas,medieval cholas,nayak kingdoms,bodhi dharma,tyagaraja,nagarjuna acharya,kambar aka kambudu,karunanidhi,anna,jayal alitha,sarvepalli radha krishna, etc..lot of people are the origin of telugus in tamilnadu,according to 2011 censius 42% of the tamil population are telugus, this is the ability of telugu people

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