Which is the Oldest Indian Language? ...
Qtiyapa

India

#1782 Dec 18, 2013
jacob tirunelveli wrote:
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hello my dear fool, give some proof or shut your everything and go away. when i give you proof refer it. dont behave like a dog as all north indians. you north indian dogs have no identity or dignity. prabakaran is our leader. if you abuse his name every bad words in the world will go to your mom.so when you speak about prabakaran think that iam abusing your mom.
lol...I always knew that... Prabhakaran can only be your leader... A terrorist Prabhakaran...A demon Raavan... or Veerappan....or Varadraajan mudaliar...U can produce such leaders only :) and keep on worshippping them above all...
Every bad thing has an end...so all of them got the bettter end... you guys are biggest threat to India within India.

Since: Aug 13

Ashburn, VA

#1783 Dec 18, 2013
jacob tirunelveli wrote:
the tamil sangams were very popular during those time all over india. because many poets all over india participated in the tamil sangam. Many sanskrit experts argue that sangam is a sanskrit word. But it is a pure tamil word representing the sangu. there is a poem in sangam literature that says about that. "paaduvar iruvarkku andru paisilaak kodutha sangath thoduvar seviyil oottum thondu kandu ithan mel nindru paaduvaai unakke intha palakai." that means siva with the sangu ornament hanging from his ears listens to the poems that were sung in this stage. As all the poems goes to the ears of siva which is decorated with the sangu ornament the stage is called sangam.
valmiki who wrote ramayana was well verse in tamil. he has written a poem in the third tamil sangam. he is the only siddhar who worships devi. all other siddhars are devotees of siva. the poem of valmiki is "parithi soozhnda vippayankezhu oru pagal ezhuvar eithiyatra vaiyamum thavamum thookitravathukku ayyavi anaithum aatrathu aagalin kaivittanare kaathalar adhanal vittorai vidaal thiruve vidaa thorival vedapattore. when other siddhars complaint about valmiki to siva for worshiping devi instead of siva . siva dint answer them. but devi is very kind she will answer this is what he has written.
narayana iyengar who lived in 1938 wrote a book called "vaanmeegarum thamizhum" gives similarities between ramayana valmiki and sangam tamil siththar vanmeeki...both of the their verses, usage of words are similar...
http://tashindu.blogspot.com/2006/12/valmiki-...
narada who asked valmiki to chant as maraa maraa which is the name of the tree near to him since he cant pronunce "raama"...maraa is the another tamil name for the tree "aachchaa"(ebony tree) which is native to southern india and srilanka...
valmiki is also one of the 18 tamil siththars...and the devi you have mentioned is not parvati but mahalakshmi...most of the tamil siththars who talked about sivan also gaves importance to sakthi also but they have never referred sakthi as a wife of sivan but a power of sivan who later seen as a wife of sivan...this is why it is believed as tamil siththars talked only about sivan but they indirectly mentioned also sakthi...
Mudaliar

Bangalore, India

#1784 Dec 18, 2013
Jacob

You are having immense depth of knowledge in Sangam literature. I wish to request you that keep cool and tolerate indecent comments and keep contributing and sharing continuously.
Just now I am studying Heilburn Timeline of Art History. There we have scientific proof That there is no recorded history for Sangam culture .Also they do not know when Pandya dynasty started .They have recorded with a question mark for the beginning and end as 1300 A.D and Chloa starts from900 A.D while most of the world is covered exhaustively from 8000B.C.
South Asia starts from3000 -1000 B.C for Neolithic cultures and 9000-3000 B.C for Mesolithic cultures. It is the right time to start rewriting or documenting history of literature, culture,art sculpture etc with the labels of south Asia, central Asia ,North Asia. and Himalayan region to avoid creating controversy which of course unavoidable.
Also vedic period precedes several centuries Indus civilization.
Now with modern tools like, DNA Technology and Genomics West history soon will be in defensive.Be cautious in labels and avoid unnecessary comments to provocations.
India is recognized well but not Indians born in India.and in the west Indian refers to many groups ,many regions etc Sooner or later we need a label easily identifiable Our great culture became Aborigines for several centuries.It is not going to be easy to erase that history.
Mudaliar

Bangalore, India

#1785 Dec 18, 2013
jesus mohammed wrote:
Tamil is the oldest language. Even bacteria spoke Tamil some 100 million years ago. There was a species of ape called homo idioticus, which also spoke Tamil about 500,000 years ago. What more proof do you want, you nincompoops. OOps!
Jesus mohammad

Yes, bacteria traveled from India along with rats , mouse ,humped cow with our ancestors. long long ago. Anthropology, archeology, linguistics proves this hypothesis though genomics.How come you rightly informed us.
jacob tirunelveli

India

#1788 Dec 19, 2013
in a blog i saw a north indian has interpreted tholkapiyam and said tholkapiyar was a brahmin. i just laughed. let me explain the passage that he mentioned
." senthamil iyarkai sivaniya nilathodu munthu nool kandu muraipada enni pulam thoguthone.". this is the introduction given by a poet to tholkapiyam. he says in the land of siva where tamil is spoken you have learned the previous literature and wrote them exactly as it is.

"aram karai naavin naanmarai mutriya adankottu aasaarku aril thabatherinthu mayanga marabin ezhuthu murai kaatti malku neer varaipin aintiram niraintha."
in his good stained tongue which has four vedas in its tip to the greatest teacher(mayan) you have prayed and wrote without any deviation from the original script just like a crystal clear water your writting reflects aintiram.
any one who read this can understand tholkapiyam is a copy of aintiram which was written by mamuni mayan who has written the four veda also.
jagath

Bangalore, India

#1789 Dec 19, 2013
TAMIL IS THE OLDEST LANGUAGE.kal thondri man thondra kalathu mun thondria mootha molzhi tamil mozhi. if it is not the oldest language then it is the perfect and best language which uses perfect grammar and rules. TAMILIANS FEEL PROUD>>>>
Arun V Mahadev

Chennai, India

#1790 Dec 19, 2013
hindu warrior wrote:
sanskrit is the oldest language in the world.tamil is not the oldest living langusage in india but sanskrit is.sanskrit is not a dead language.a dead language means it is not used anymore.sanskrit is still used in every hindu temple for holy rituals and mantras.there is a wrong assumption that tamil is older than sanskrit.this is very wrong.tamil evolved from sanskrit.sanskrit is not created by mere men but lord shiva himself.sanskrit is also called the language of the devas.vedas are anadhi(birthless) they are not created by god but his breath.even bhrami scripts are older than tamil.i m not degrading tamil but sanskrit is the father language of tamil and other language of the world.
bro. wow! even experts agree that both languages have their own text base.you say that you dont disregard but you do . I agree sanskrit is the language of the lords but to say tamil evolved from sanskrit ! I am a Brahmin myself . Sad to break it to you but not every language is derived from Sanskrit.Please do not make a fool out of yourself. Please do your research before commenting in a reputed forum.
Mudaliar

Bangalore, India

#1791 Dec 19, 2013
jacob tirunelveli wrote:
in a blog i saw a north indian has interpreted tholkapiyam and said tholkapiyar was a brahmin. i just laughed. let me explain the passage that he mentioned
." senthamil iyarkai sivaniya nilathodu munthu nool kandu muraipada enni pulam thoguthone.". this is the introduction given by a poet to tholkapiyam. he says in the land of siva where tamil is spoken you have learned the previous literature and wrote them exactly as it is.
"aram karai naavin naanmarai mutriya adankottu aasaarku aril thabatherinthu mayanga marabin ezhuthu murai kaatti malku neer varaipin aintiram niraintha."
in his good stained tongue which has four vedas in its tip to the greatest teacher(mayan) you have prayed and wrote without any deviation from the original script just like a crystal clear water your writting reflects aintiram.
any one who read this can understand tholkapiyam is a copy of aintiram which was written by mamuni mayan who has written the four veda also.
1. who was the poet? What is the link of the blog?

2. How do we differentiate Sangam period songs and later inclusion?

3. you once gave a list of Sangam kings, Can you give their periods too?
Mudaliar

Bangalore, India

#1792 Dec 19, 2013
Arun V Mahadev wrote:
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bro. wow! even experts agree that both languages have their own text base.you say that you dont disregard but you do . I agree sanskrit is the language of the lords but to say tamil evolved from sanskrit ! I am a Brahmin myself . Sad to break it to you but not every language is derived from Sanskrit.Please do not make a fool out of yourself. Please do your research before commenting in a reputed forum.
1. What is the period for Classical Sanskrit ? and Vedic Sanskrit?

2. Sanskrit and Tamil (Madura basha, Manushya basha existed during Ramayana period) coexisted and there is no relation between the two.It has been proved that Tamil survived alone and Sanskrit impact is minimal.

3. What do we know about Ramayana from other old languages like Pali, Prakriti, Kannada, Malayalam etc with respect to languages antiquity.

This forum will be productive if we attempt scientific proofs even if it gives the time line indirectly.
Mudaliar

Bangalore, India

#1793 Dec 19, 2013
Mudaliar wrote:
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Jesus mohammad
Yes, bacteria traveled from India along with rats , mouse ,humped cow with our ancestors. long long ago. Anthropology, archeology, linguistics proves this hypothesis though genomics.How come you rightly informed us.
I forgot to refer the source. This is from the presentation at IIT ,Kanpur by Dr Premendra.and It is proved that India is the primary source of first Human, first humped cow , rat , mouse and Bacterira too travelled to other parts of the world alomg with BHRATH INDIAN.This label I am choosing to differentiate from west records of various Indians including Native Indians of America.
Mudaliar

Bangalore, India

#1794 Dec 19, 2013
Mudaliar wrote:
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1. who was the poet? What is the link of the blog?
2. How do we differentiate Sangam period songs and later inclusion?
3. you once gave a list of Sangam kings, Can you give their periods too?
I just stumbled upon Vaidehi from Tirunelveli , wrote english translations of Sangam songs presumbly belonging to 2nd century B.C. I f you have already seen , try to extract timeline proofs, if possible. I will also try the same. Why reinvent the wheel if she can provide scientific proof.
mc reddy

Hyderabad, India

#1796 Dec 21, 2013
Tamil is indian language.sanskrit is aryan language.aryans came from south west asia but tamil is indian language and is the oldest language in india.
Mudaliar

Bangalore, India

#1797 Dec 21, 2013
mc reddy wrote:
Tamil is indian language.sanskrit is aryan language.aryans came from south west asia but tamil is indian language and is the oldest language in india.
As long as political Labels like Aryan is not understood , we will never be successful in rewriting our history be a language or Mathematics and other sciences originated from this ancient land.While the Aryan In or Indian out and populated in this world ,we can leave that topic to experts who are fighting this out. But we can educate ourselves with our ancient literary works beauty, depth etc and exchange scientific proofs.
If this forum moderator has any hidden agenda , this post may not see the light like the other post on Sanskrit proof of copy from Prakrit, Tamil and whole lot of other local languages since ages.
santhosh balaji

Chennai, India

#1798 Dec 23, 2013
shruti wrote:
<quoted text> I don't know whether Ramayana and Mahabharata are imaginary or not but what you wrote is completely imaginary. There satellite pictures of Ramsethu. And also evidences of dwarika city. Srilanka and Indian Govt has set up a project to build bridge on it and also adding to your knowledge you can google a documentary done by history channel on atomic usage in Mahabharata. Alright even if it is a story or imagination then also it is a great work. There is no character in Ramayana or Mahabharata which you can't find in real life. Now you say that Veda was in Tamil and copied to Sanskrit. Where is the Tamil Veda.? Shiva is sense and linga is senseless. In what sense you are saying this. Do you even know meaning of Shiva. Shav is deadbody in Sanskrit the ei tatva is life Shiva is life. And a great poet in Hindi vinobhacharya explained in beautiful way even he is god of destruction then why he is worshiped , because anything New have to come then it has to destroy. A rose is beautiful because it will bloom in spring but if is there for ever then its beauty is lost that is why end is imp. And in Gita also death is described as a beautiful lady. Which relieves you from everything. Similarly Vishnu means vishistha+anu. Vishistha means special and anu means atom. So it is special atom. You know Hinduism not only tell about heaven and hell but it is much scientific and deep. Atom (anu) was already discovered by Indian sages. Gita is also was in Tamil. Please justify what you say. Now my answer to your temple things are that in Tamilnadu Tamil kings equaly encouraged Sanskrit . Regarding inscriptions Halebeedu temple I found inscriptions in Sanskrit and old Kannada. In North also many old temples like somnath temple has shloka written in Sanskrit. Padamnabh swami temple also have inscription in Sanskrit and even Egyptians built Pyramids a without the mathematics. Which is also much more older. Visit Jantar Mantra in Jaipur and Delhi you will find yantras to calculate position of planets older days. So my dear friend justify Wat you say with evidences. Simply to quote I can also say Tamil is old Aramic. And Google who discovered zero, decimal etc. Please analyze facts properly.
Ms Shruthi the Rigveda, the oldest of the Vedas, was composed roughly between 1700 and 1100 BCE,(you can google it) but the ancient tamil sangam existed approximately 7000 to 5000BC(you can also google it)there are numerous literatures in tamil which explains about the sangam age........
Do you know that the tamil word sivan was sanskritised as shiva
"Sivan" literally means "the red one"
As sivan is an angry god he aquires that name ,as the red(sivapu in tamil)colour symboloises anger
Mudaliar

Bangalore, India

#1799 Dec 23, 2013
It is unfortunate that most of us are trying to justify with our own perceptions and the knowledge . Neither we try to get nor quote the great people who spent their life time learning these languages .I am now reading Mayan Aintiram. Sure It will take months to digest . I will try to write a review in my blog at a later date. However,Even the first 10 sutras are sufficient to understand the richness, beauty and depth.. The author has quoted the Tamil sutras(in modern Tamil writing) and gave explanations in Tamil and English. Thanks that the author is expert in Tamil, Sanskrit and English.It is revealing to know the meaning of Tamil word which literally apply to all languages as given by Mayan and the evolution theory of letters, words, thoughts etc as per Mayan is very revealing and I wish if any other language or Grammar dead or alive can match them. If this is a premature hypothesis, I will correct myself if I found any or anybody posts a better one.. I am looking for experts review of Aintiram for which I am not successful.It is again unfortunate that grammar is the property of a certain group or family only. and the copy write act is applicable Our great sages never tried to capitalise and the knowledge was imparted free. because their requirements of life was very minimum .
Since Mayan^s some more subjects are available in Sankrit,If this Tamil grammar is subjected to research with other grammars of ancient languages including Sanskrit and Tamil Tholkappiam,many truths can be dig out and debated out.
Since Tamil Nadu free E books are available and Digital library contain most of old manuscripts in original and many are being added, why antiram cannot be made available?

For spoken languages only circumstantial evidence are available. While available written scripts,inscriptions , coins potteries etc, can be dated precisely we must make it point to refer and quote them for constructive arguments.
19th,20th and even current century great minds failed to revive the oldest living and nearly dead languages, English undoubtedly usurped the center place even though many variants are seen in that language too.The next generation can change the scenerio. Necessity is the mother of invention. To days education system still cater to the elites only.
Mudaliar

Bangalore, India

#1800 Dec 23, 2013
santhosh balaji wrote:
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Ms Shruthi the Rigveda, the oldest of the Vedas, was composed roughly between 1700 and 1100 BCE,(you can google it) but the ancient tamil sangam existed approximately 7000 to 5000BC(you can also google it)there are numerous literatures in tamil which explains about the sangam age........
Do you know that the tamil word sivan was sanskritised as shiva
"Sivan" literally means "the red one"
As sivan is an angry god he aquires that name ,as the red(sivapu in tamil)colour symboloises anger
Santhosh balaji

Can anyone quote verifiable authoritative reference for the above and confirm the chronology/timeline of poets and kings that are available with proof or circumstantial evidence
Googling or Wikipedia wont do justification which are likely to mislead and feed only for the vested interests This has to be vetted by downloadable sources or links
santhosh surana

Kakinada, India

#1801 Dec 25, 2013
Are you kidding me! 5000BC means before Egyptian symbols language. i think you heard it wrong. according to first written evidence found Tamil exist from 200BC and Sanskrit in 1100AD but the vedas itself says they exist from 1700BC.
ganesh wrote:
Tamil is the oldest my friend..... Sanskrit means "polished" it didnt exist till 1500BC even that.... The vedas were written in prakrit.... Sanskrit is a beautiful language but it isnt the mother of all other languages... 1st show me evidence of sanskrit in the earlier times.... The evidence of Tamil being older than sanskrit is Tolkapiyam (5000BC)
Mudaliar

Bangalore, India

#1802 Dec 25, 2013
santhosh surana wrote:
Are you kidding me! 5000BC means before Egyptian symbols language. i think you heard it wrong. according to first written evidence found Tamil exist from 200BC and Sanskrit in 1100AD but the vedas itself says they exist from 1700BC.
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This is applicable to the written scripts.Euro Greek centric records will not allow you to go back.
2000 years Pandyan kingdom do not find place in history. Start is not known. Same as Pallava , kingdom starting period is not recorded. Hence 5000 years will be surprising to many and this forum need to dig out with scientific proofs and circumstantial evidence.Oral tradition is to be arrived by various fields.
Even the pyramids were built by people from our ancient land.Check for recent anthropological studies based on genetic technology.
shruthi

Kundan, India

#1803 Dec 26, 2013
jacob tirunelveli wrote:
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Sruthi you are going out of the subject. here we are not fighting . we are proving which is the oldest language. iam a tamilan and and want my mother language the rspect she deserve. if you are really a patriotic indian and speak about unity, then you should have raised your voice against the government when they killed tamils in srilanka. dont try to foll everyone with your stupid words. we know about india and we are patriot thats why india is growing stronger and stronger even the congress men try to split and rule us. iam speaking for tamil. iam not speaking against india. first understand the topic. your name itself is a tamil word sruthi in sanskrit. suruthi in tamil su(hot,energy)+uru(structure,d imension)+thi(state) suruthi is the structural state of energy. please split your name and try to mean it in sanskrit.
n it in sanskrit.yes I am a proud Indian first than any the problem with all of us is the way we respect our things we will never respect others. Let it be religion, tongue, colour or creed. Humans are discriminatory by nature. Isn't it very simple formula that the way I wanted to be treated let me treat others too same way. How you respect your religion you cannot respect other religion. The day we try to respect others feelings like we want ours to be respected. Entire problems in this world will solve. But we don't inspire we abuse others we fight and carry hatred for other just because they are different than us.so I would say that you people are living fools on earth with no better work to do. For your kind info shruti is not Tamil it is Sanskrit which means smallest musical note.please don't give wiered and funny meaning to my name. Please check meaning of shruthi in Wikipedia and its origin too. Ok regarding srilankan Tamils. Let me tell you I was not even born when that happend. So that happened in Srilanka not India. And let me ask you when Sikh riots happend why you didn't raise your voice against same congress. For that matter so many Hindus and Christian are getting killed in pakistan and Bangladesh. Why you don't raise your voice then. You know why Tamils faced problems in Srilanka because of some dumbheads like you who tries to discriminate people for language, culture and color. So before pin pointing others try to clean within yourself and respect others language and culture as you want others respect your culture and language. I read many of your abusive comments on other languages and people. God bless you.
shruthi

Bangalore, India

#1805 Dec 26, 2013
shruthi wrote:
<quoted text> n it in sanskrit.yes I am a proud Indian first than any the problem with all of us is the way we respect our things we will never respect others. Let it be religion, tongue, colour or creed. Humans are discriminatory by nature. Isn't it very simple formula that the way I wanted to be treated let me treat others too same way. How you respect your religion you cannot respect other religion. The day we try to respect others feelings like we want ours to be respected. Entire problems in this world will solve. But we don't inspire we abuse others we fight and carry hatred for other just because they are different than us.so I would say that you people are living fools on earth with no better work to do. For your kind info shruti is not Tamil it is Sanskrit which means smallest musical note.please don't give wiered and funny meaning to my name. Please check meaning of shruthi in Wikipedia and its origin too. Ok regarding srilankan Tamils. Let me tell you I was not even born when that happend. So that happened in Srilanka not India. And let me ask you when Sikh riots happend why you didn't raise your voice against same congress. For that matter so many Hindus and Christian are getting killed in pakistan and Bangladesh. Why you don't raise your voice then. You know why Tamils faced problems in Srilanka because of some dumbheads like you who tries to discriminate people for language, culture and color. So before pin pointing others try to clean within yourself and respect others language and culture as you want others respect your culture and language. I read many of your abusive comments on other languages and people. God bless you.
I am writing here so that I should not be misuderstood, I mean some dumbhead Srilankans who discriminated Tamils for their language and culture. But let me ask you Jacob thirunelveli that what is difference b/t you and them. They also discriminate people for their origin or language same as you. The issue with Srilankan tamils are humanitarian issue not Tamil issue. Whatever is wrong is wrong and should not be supported in any case.

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