jacob tirunelveli

India

#1709 Nov 29, 2013
and if it is true that kannada people are the dwarakans then the pure kannada language should be equal to tamil because we have dwaraka as the proof.that pure kannada must be the devanagiri language that gave birth to sanskrit.(just an assemption). if we can prove that sanskrit is derived from devanagiri language then sanskrit is not the older language comparing to kannada. we have to argue with kannada and tamil only.(if it is proved that sanskrit is derived from devanagiri )
jacob tirunelveli

India

#1710 Nov 29, 2013
Qtiyapa wrote:
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Please provide some refernce where Indian Govt gave those Palm leaves to Tamilnadu govt. Whatta fake stories everybody is posting here.:D bogus
mr. i have given you the reference of aintiram. please visit that site and clear your doubts.
jacob tirunelveli

India

#1711 Nov 29, 2013
Qtiyapa wrote:
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yOu need to upgrade bro...U don raom around naked like people used to 10000 years back
10000 years ago our anscestors wore vetti and saree. not like your barbarian anscestors. whats up with you ? if you have any stuff to prove sanskrit is older than tamil give that. barking dogs wont bite you know. behave like human
Mudaliar

Bangalore, India

#1712 Nov 30, 2013
jacob
^mr. i have given you the reference of aintiram. please visit that site and clear your doubts^.
Well,
Please provide the link to make it easier to find out and read.
First clear or accept the following
1.Devanagari is a script like Grantha in South to write
the Verbally translated vedas, upanishads, puranas etc through centuries by shear memory by Brahmins at a later period but originally created by the great Rishis belonging to neither cast nor any religion.Do not bring the names like Hinduism, Sanatana Dharma etc which are the names created by Arabs to differentiate with the people belonging to Bharath and muslims and Hindu fundamentalists who are strong supporter of Sanskrit and the birth of Scriptures in Sanskrit..
2. Is Kerala land was reclaimed from sea by Parasurama
3. Did velirs became Vellalas and became Muvender?
or Vellalas were the original cultivators of land since ages if so from what period?
4. Kannada is elder sister to Tamil or daughter of Tamil?.
4. I know from whatever I have studied so for, that South Indian history has very little recognition in the world and North was more studied, researched and documented for varoious reasons including the South and North divide.
5 Where and what records we can trace the proofs that Tamil was spoken across whole globe.
6. There is a school of thought that Tamil and Sanskrit existed side by side when common people spoke Tamil and elite, kings learned Sanskrit.And Sanskrit is a coded language . That is why so many interpretations exist .
7. Both Tamil and Sanskrit have literature and grammar which are the sources for many Indian and European languages .

8. Tamil was patronized by Pandian kings who did not get due recognition in history.Because, the references came from our literatures only .

9. It is long road may take century but Internet is boon to current generation if we can apply our commonsense and trash that exists and being created by vested intersts.
10. Keep open mind and search for truth, instead of refuting other comments bluntly .Try to build constructive arguments.
11. If you cannot argue one by one , take the help of clubs and develop constructive arguments.
12. If one take time and pain from the posts of this forum as well as from another forums where arguments are more logical ,we can certainly come to a logical conclusion and rewrite the history.
13. I repeat, do not fall into the trap of Euro Greek eccentric history records as well as fundamentalists from all religions^ propaganda.

Keep up the good work .I am learning and continue to learn.
jacob tirunelveli

Bangalore, India

#1713 Dec 1, 2013
mr.mudaliyar i told you i dont know much about kannada and devanagiri languages. but velirs are kannadians who were the people of lord gopala(krishna).moovendars are defferent they are tamils. they basically the cholas. if you read indian history it will be written that the pandian kings ruled small villages.they are rubbish. refer international researches. read about rome turkey, greek, ancient china, and lot more you can find reference of tamils in every research. pandians were sea faring people they traded around the world. did you refer aintiram literature. it is amazing proof for tamil. sanskrits school of grammer is named after this ancient tamil book aintiram.
bala

Madurai, India

#1714 Dec 1, 2013
tamil is the oldest language in the world,tamil language found in 5000 b.c (tholkappiyam) but there is no evidence that sanskrit is oldest language.
jacob tirunelveli

Bangalore, India

#1715 Dec 1, 2013
mr.mudaliyar it seems you are wishing that tamil will die oneday. dont even dream about that. fourth tamil sangam is going on now. iam trying my best to participate in that. iam trying to publish my poems . tamil is doing great here. more than 10 tamil channels started teaching pure tamil. vj and djs speak in pure tamil to promote pure tamil like eelam tamil. our love for tamil is an endless sea. chennai is a metro , people live there are people from all over the world. so dont figure out tamilnadu by seeing chennai.
Mudaliar

Bangalore, India

#1716 Dec 1, 2013
Again and again Jacob, you are jumping to conclusion and building arguments without providing proper links and references for any lay man to pursue. I do agree that last decade has seen documents are being uploaded and lot of effort is being put to learn Tamil.But is that enough , Are you able to make a living out of your love and devotion or younger generation are taking seriously to learn and contribute to Literature, science, history etc in such a way, Sankrit , Greek, Latin , Arab etc languages in the past and now English. Will Agasthyar^s Rananool can be practiced to help the poor and challenge modern medicine.(just an example)
Can Agasthyar^s period has been proved satisfactorily, or How many Agasthyars lived ? Who came from North ? and when? Is people taken his name and published and passed as if they were from the Sage?I do have seen the olaisuavdis have been uploaded and whether all the records available at British library(u.k) have been uploaded in Tamil virtual university web? How many web sites are available to learn about Agastyar etc.Give links and references clearly to follow up. It is nearly impossible to read and understand those old Oaisuadis. Do any group is working to to describe them in modern Tamil?. Have you ever tried to understand Tholgappiam and practice it. Is there any web site which explain the old Grammar in simple and lucid way I am just now about to complete the English Grammar through online from foreign University without spending any fees. Just internet and P.C are sufficient.I want to learn Tamil grammar too , how do I go about it. For Sankrit , it is not a problem at all. Can Tamil match the same?
jacob tirunelveli

Bangalore, India

#1718 Dec 2, 2013
mr. mudaliyar it is very easy in internet. just type want you want to learn with meaning in tamil or english. you will get it. and did you refer aintiram and american university of mayonic science and technology. it is the living proof that says tamil is the origin of all languages. each and every literature of sangam tamil are there in internet with meaning in tamil or english. please search them. agathyar's name and history was misunderstood by many people because of sanskrit literatures. all sanskrit literatures are pure unrealistic waste. mamuni mayan's period was prior than veda vyasa.but in sanskrit literatures it is said veda vyasa introduced mayan to vedic heroes. so dump literatures.all are confusing and unreliable. agathyar is a tamil sage. he was the student of mamuni mayan. life history of one sage is written by a person who came 100s of years after the period of that sage. so,we cant rely that.please refer mayans pranava veda. the legacy of tamil will be clear to you.
i dont understand why all north indians are saying this same thing "you are not giving proof". iam not a fool to listen to this kind of arguements. i have given you the proof of aintiram. mayans pranava veda and american university of mayonic science and technology. if you dont refer this next time please dont reply my post. its boring for me to type the same thing again and again.
how do you dare say siddha medicine cant challenge modern medicine. in tamilnadu all people go to siddha hospital to get treated for dengue and chicken kuniya fever. modern medicine dont give complete relief from that disease.there are free camps conducted by siddha college here. i told you you are on the other side of the river and commenting about this side of the river. it is mere foolishness. come and live in tamilnadu.your opinion will change about tamil.
Qtiyapa

Mumbai, India

#1719 Dec 2, 2013
jacob tirunelveli wrote:
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10000 years ago our anscestors wore vetti and saree. not like your barbarian anscestors. whats up with you ? if you have any stuff to prove sanskrit is older than tamil give that. barking dogs wont bite you know. behave like human
Saree...10000 years back?:-o
Qtiyapa

Mumbai, India

#1720 Dec 2, 2013
Jacob...ur points are baseless. What proves what written in "aintiram" is true or "Aintram"is not based on or copied from other literarture. It was not the first text of the world.

Our barbarian ancestors distributed sarees and lungi !:D
jacob tirunelveli

Bangalore, India

#1721 Dec 2, 2013
Qtiyapa wrote:
Jacob...ur points are baseless. What proves what written in "aintiram" is true or "Aintram"is not based on or copied from other literarture. It was not the first text of the world.
Our barbarian ancestors distributed sarees and lungi !:D
dear , mamuni mayan wrote aintiram pranava veda and vaastu shastram in tamil. dint you find those links there when you read about aintiram. why your sanskrit school of grammer is named after a tamil literature. veda vyasa is just a editor of vedas. hahahahahahah i pity you guys. your time is over. kali yugam is coming to end. tamils will regain their power.
Qtiyapa

Mumbai, India

#1722 Dec 3, 2013
jacob tirunelveli wrote:
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dear , mamuni mayan wrote aintiram pranava veda and vaastu shastram in tamil. dint you find those links there when you read about aintiram. why your sanskrit school of grammer is named after a tamil literature. veda vyasa is just a editor of vedas. hahahahahahah i pity you guys. your time is over. kali yugam is coming to end. tamils will regain their power.
what are you talking...mamuni mayan? I know Mayan civilization...why your rishis like agastya came to nalanda to study? just to learn sanskrit..learn the literature and go back and convert the same in Tamil...?? do u get it? and also in Kali yuga...Demons need to be scared...as demons are the Tamils as mentioned in all early sanskrit literatures....All vedas in all languages point out demons coming mostly from the southern part...that was TamilNadu...now u get why u resemble them?:D Also your culture and attitude ... You guys are actually Africans ...migrated to India.

Since: Aug 13

Ashburn, VA

#1723 Dec 3, 2013
i request to read the below article published in keetru to all tamils in this forum who blindly believe whatever told by dravidar kazhakam,dmk,admk who are the main reason to make the entire non tamil indians to hate tamil people and make them to see tamils as inferior,language chauvinists,anti indians,untouchable persons..i think google translator will help to non tamil indians...
http://www.keetru.com/index.php...

Since: Aug 13

Ashburn, VA

#1724 Dec 3, 2013
Qtiyapa wrote:
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what are you talking...mamuni mayan? I know Mayan civilization...why your rishis like agastya came to nalanda to study? just to learn sanskrit..learn the literature and go back and convert the same in Tamil...?? do u get it? and also in Kali yuga...Demons need to be scared...as demons are the Tamils as mentioned in all early sanskrit literatures....All vedas in all languages point out demons coming mostly from the southern part...that was TamilNadu...now u get why u resemble them?:D Also your culture and attitude ... You guys are actually Africans ...migrated to India.
so for you tamils are demons?...and they came to nalanda to study sanskrit?...ok i think you seems to a master in sanskrit's vedas,puranas,upanishads,ithih asas since we came from distant south whereas you people have sanskrit knowledge as sea level and bathing in that sea...can you answer this pls i have already asked this to another one guy in this forum but he didnt reply hope u ll reply me...what is the nila suktam in yajur veda talks about? who is the goddess mentioned in this suktam? whose consort is her? in which part of the world the goddess has temples?...
jacob tirunelveli

Chennai, India

#1725 Dec 4, 2013
Qtiyapa wrote:
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what are you talking...mamuni mayan? I know Mayan civilization...why your rishis like agastya came to nalanda to study? just to learn sanskrit..learn the literature and go back and convert the same in Tamil...?? do u get it? and also in Kali yuga...Demons need to be scared...as demons are the Tamils as mentioned in all early sanskrit literatures....All vedas in all languages point out demons coming mostly from the southern part...that was TamilNadu...now u get why u resemble them?:D Also your culture and attitude ... You guys are actually Africans ...migrated to India.
if you dont know abut mamuni mayan it is your stupidity. please visit aintiram read it carefully. you ariar demons will be thrown out of india soon. this is the land of tamils. you dont belong to india. you are afganistan terrorist group. hahahaha. go and read literatures of aintiram and american university of mayonic science and technology. you dint tell me why sanskrit school of grammer is named after the tamil literature aintiram. please write something fruitful. nobody from india came to learn sanskrit . you afganistan brahmins came to india and learned our technology and wrote them in sanskrit.
Mudaliar

Bangalore, India

#1726 Dec 4, 2013
^American university of mayonic science^You need lots of money to study the courses offered in piece meal.I regret that instead of throwing brick bats with each other and people must try to clarify the opinions with evidences simple enough to follow by layman.
I am also interested in knowing
^what is the nila suktam in yajur veda talks about? who is the goddess mentioned in this suktam? whose consort is her? in which part of the world the goddess has temples?...^Which blog or link or research source we can find answers.
Jacob seems to know more about history, please provide chronological events and record in this forum. It is a pity that you have not bothered to know the antiquity of major South indian languages.and yet arguing for Tamil blindly?
Since Jacob studied a lot on religions, please provide the period of floods (as mentioned in Sangam literatures)correlating with other religions. Without mentioning chronology it is like the story of the elephant description by four blind people.
There were many periods of ups and down for Tamil as well as other languages. Whenever, sanskrit dominated, Brahmanism was ruling and destroying other relgions .Jainism oldest religion is almost extinct now . Same as Buddhism only in other countries and almost extinct from India , in spite of an attempt to revive by Ambedkar. But we need to know what happened before any religion was practiced. There are lots of literature left by these religions similar to Tamil literature.
Note , but for Tamil thatha, we would have lost Tholkapiam too.Now we can read online all the olai read by tamil thatha painfully.Can any one upload the AINTRAM OLAIS for future generation to research .It cannot be the monopoly of American university , located at Chennai to mint money like many yoga gurus do at the west, hijacking our age old knowledge and repackaging to mint . If anything I have mentioned is not true, my ignorance can be tolerated in this forum.
jacob tirunelveli

Thrissur, India

#1727 Dec 5, 2013
mr.mudaliar nila suktam is sung in praise of devi the god of creations. she is also said to be one of the wife(third) of lord vishnu. the nila suktam is full of prayer to devi asking for blessings. there is no other things in nila suktam. according to tamil sanga literatures the first tamil sangam started around 10400bc and the king who started this sangam was kaaisina vazhuthi pandian. maamuni mayan, agathyar, thuvarakai komaan and many poets and also kings submitted their literatures. The first diluge occured around 6000bc. the second sangam started around 5650 to 5700bc. the poets who participated were thurunamaakini(tholkaapiyar) , athankottu aasaan, thuraalingar, sempootsei, vaiyaapikanaar, panam paarananaar, vaaipiyanar, kazhaarampanar, avinayanar, kaakkai paadiniyar, narathanar, vaamananar. the second diluge destroyed kavatapuram around 1750bc. kavatapuram is a historical proof from roman historical writer pliny of 30bc , and ramayanam. the third tamil sangam started around 1500bc and ended at 350bc. the second diluge around 1750 bc coinsides with the submerge of twaraka. the proof of first flood in other languages are matsya purana that says about tamil king manu who escaped the flood and started his life from kerala. noah's story is also a memorized and copied story of matsya purana. because this same story is written in sumer also. the king who was mentioned was agathyar with 7 vedas and literatures.
jacob tirunelveli

Thrissur, India

#1728 Dec 5, 2013
neela devi is also called bhoomadevi. she is the earth. she was created by the energy of vishnu. she is blue in colour and she loves all and gives good to even those who offended her. jupiter is the planet associated with neela devi. her temples are all over india and nepal. i know trivandrum lakshmi varaha temple and one in tirunelveli. she is always seen with fighting demons. she is also the lakshmi who gives wealth and neela devi with a tiger .iam a christian but years ago i had a dream i was sitting in front of a heavenly treasure. devil came there with his demon men and tried to take that treasure i was no match to that demons. suddenly a big flash of light came from sky neela devi and her tiger stepped down from that light . the demons were no match to the tiger it tore them off and they ran for their life. neela devi and the tiger left the place and i handed over the treasure to the responsible people. and i heard a blessing of neela devi from sky for me. after that dream only my life changed and i concentrated more on my growth . i knew only jesus but i dont know why goddess neela devi came in my dream and blessed me.

Since: Aug 13

Ashburn, VA

#1729 Dec 5, 2013
Mudaliar wrote:
^what is the nila suktam in yajur veda talks about? who is the goddess mentioned in this suktam? whose consort is her? in which part of the world the goddess has temples?...
nila suktam talks about the goddess nila or neela devi or the water goddess one of the three consorts of vishnu...
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nila_Devi
neela means water in tamil root word is neeluthal(stretching) since water has the ability of stretching,neelu means water in telugu also,this word is particularly famous in pandyan kingdom...here la in nee"la" should be the small la which we use to denote "palli" in tamil ie school...(there is no proper word in devanagari to show difference between la and lha..).vishnu gives his heart to lakshmi for residing,bhu devi formed from the thigh of mahavishnu whereas nila devi is entirely filled in vishnu's body this is why his colour is depicted as blue, this is like sivan's arthanareeswara form including siva in right sakthi in left...as per tamil vaisnavites vishnu is the atma representing spiritual world in a human body, sridevi or lakshmi is the mental energy or swarkaloga representing mind...niladevi is the vital energy or bhuvarloga representing the senses,movable bloods,sensory nerves...bhudevi is the physical energy or bhuloka reperesenting stable hard parts of a human body like skeleton...so a human to realise the atma he should use his powers sri,nila and bhudevi residing in his body...this is the reason why in every tamil vaishnavite temples the priests asks the visitors to see first the "thaayaar"(goddess) before seeing vishnu...among the 7 chakras of human body vishnu represents swadhistaanam associated with the panjabootha 'water' which is responsible for human's emotions sexual desires and reproduction...before the creation of planets and other living things this entire universe will be filled with water and narayana in a small baby form resides in a banyan leaf floats in that water(niladevi) as per below picture...

http://t3.gstatic.com/images...

This is similar to a sperm travelling in a liquid...since vishnu is the only male or paramathma as per vaishnavism...so whatever happens inside a human body happens in universe also this is why a tamil siththar sings as andamae pindam,pindamae andam(universe is the body and body is the universe)
nila devi is the consort of narayana(krishna's previous form) and this why krishna is often seen as a lover of cows that delivers milk products, stealing butter a product of milk and defeating seven bulls(jallikkattu) to marry the cowherd girl nappinnai(radha) which are all representing narayana's affection towards nila devi...

http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.com/2008/0...

the only temple where vishnu is seen with sri,bhu,nila devi is in thiruthangal near sivakasi in pandiyan kingdom

http://temple.dinamalar.com/New.php...

http://kumbakonamtemples.in/ninra-narayanan-t... --thiru-thangal.html

this too i know because i lived in that place...but this temple is very famous among n.indians watched many times numerous n.indians visited here but not recognition like srirangam and thirupathi

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