Which is the Oldest Indian Language? ...
jacob tirunelveli

Bangalore, India

#1718 Dec 2, 2013
mr. mudaliyar it is very easy in internet. just type want you want to learn with meaning in tamil or english. you will get it. and did you refer aintiram and american university of mayonic science and technology. it is the living proof that says tamil is the origin of all languages. each and every literature of sangam tamil are there in internet with meaning in tamil or english. please search them. agathyar's name and history was misunderstood by many people because of sanskrit literatures. all sanskrit literatures are pure unrealistic waste. mamuni mayan's period was prior than veda vyasa.but in sanskrit literatures it is said veda vyasa introduced mayan to vedic heroes. so dump literatures.all are confusing and unreliable. agathyar is a tamil sage. he was the student of mamuni mayan. life history of one sage is written by a person who came 100s of years after the period of that sage. so,we cant rely that.please refer mayans pranava veda. the legacy of tamil will be clear to you.
i dont understand why all north indians are saying this same thing "you are not giving proof". iam not a fool to listen to this kind of arguements. i have given you the proof of aintiram. mayans pranava veda and american university of mayonic science and technology. if you dont refer this next time please dont reply my post. its boring for me to type the same thing again and again.
how do you dare say siddha medicine cant challenge modern medicine. in tamilnadu all people go to siddha hospital to get treated for dengue and chicken kuniya fever. modern medicine dont give complete relief from that disease.there are free camps conducted by siddha college here. i told you you are on the other side of the river and commenting about this side of the river. it is mere foolishness. come and live in tamilnadu.your opinion will change about tamil.
Qtiyapa

India

#1719 Dec 2, 2013
jacob tirunelveli wrote:
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10000 years ago our anscestors wore vetti and saree. not like your barbarian anscestors. whats up with you ? if you have any stuff to prove sanskrit is older than tamil give that. barking dogs wont bite you know. behave like human
Saree...10000 years back?:-o
Qtiyapa

India

#1720 Dec 2, 2013
Jacob...ur points are baseless. What proves what written in "aintiram" is true or "Aintram"is not based on or copied from other literarture. It was not the first text of the world.

Our barbarian ancestors distributed sarees and lungi !:D
jacob tirunelveli

Bangalore, India

#1721 Dec 2, 2013
Qtiyapa wrote:
Jacob...ur points are baseless. What proves what written in "aintiram" is true or "Aintram"is not based on or copied from other literarture. It was not the first text of the world.
Our barbarian ancestors distributed sarees and lungi !:D
dear , mamuni mayan wrote aintiram pranava veda and vaastu shastram in tamil. dint you find those links there when you read about aintiram. why your sanskrit school of grammer is named after a tamil literature. veda vyasa is just a editor of vedas. hahahahahahah i pity you guys. your time is over. kali yugam is coming to end. tamils will regain their power.
Qtiyapa

India

#1722 Dec 3, 2013
jacob tirunelveli wrote:
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dear , mamuni mayan wrote aintiram pranava veda and vaastu shastram in tamil. dint you find those links there when you read about aintiram. why your sanskrit school of grammer is named after a tamil literature. veda vyasa is just a editor of vedas. hahahahahahah i pity you guys. your time is over. kali yugam is coming to end. tamils will regain their power.
what are you talking...mamuni mayan? I know Mayan civilization...why your rishis like agastya came to nalanda to study? just to learn sanskrit..learn the literature and go back and convert the same in Tamil...?? do u get it? and also in Kali yuga...Demons need to be scared...as demons are the Tamils as mentioned in all early sanskrit literatures....All vedas in all languages point out demons coming mostly from the southern part...that was TamilNadu...now u get why u resemble them?:D Also your culture and attitude ... You guys are actually Africans ...migrated to India.

Since: Aug 13

Ashburn, VA

#1723 Dec 3, 2013
i request to read the below article published in keetru to all tamils in this forum who blindly believe whatever told by dravidar kazhakam,dmk,admk who are the main reason to make the entire non tamil indians to hate tamil people and make them to see tamils as inferior,language chauvinists,anti indians,untouchable persons..i think google translator will help to non tamil indians...
http://www.keetru.com/index.php...

Since: Aug 13

Ashburn, VA

#1724 Dec 3, 2013
Qtiyapa wrote:
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what are you talking...mamuni mayan? I know Mayan civilization...why your rishis like agastya came to nalanda to study? just to learn sanskrit..learn the literature and go back and convert the same in Tamil...?? do u get it? and also in Kali yuga...Demons need to be scared...as demons are the Tamils as mentioned in all early sanskrit literatures....All vedas in all languages point out demons coming mostly from the southern part...that was TamilNadu...now u get why u resemble them?:D Also your culture and attitude ... You guys are actually Africans ...migrated to India.
so for you tamils are demons?...and they came to nalanda to study sanskrit?...ok i think you seems to a master in sanskrit's vedas,puranas,upanishads,ithih asas since we came from distant south whereas you people have sanskrit knowledge as sea level and bathing in that sea...can you answer this pls i have already asked this to another one guy in this forum but he didnt reply hope u ll reply me...what is the nila suktam in yajur veda talks about? who is the goddess mentioned in this suktam? whose consort is her? in which part of the world the goddess has temples?...
jacob tirunelveli

Ahmedabad, India

#1725 Dec 4, 2013
Qtiyapa wrote:
<quoted text>
what are you talking...mamuni mayan? I know Mayan civilization...why your rishis like agastya came to nalanda to study? just to learn sanskrit..learn the literature and go back and convert the same in Tamil...?? do u get it? and also in Kali yuga...Demons need to be scared...as demons are the Tamils as mentioned in all early sanskrit literatures....All vedas in all languages point out demons coming mostly from the southern part...that was TamilNadu...now u get why u resemble them?:D Also your culture and attitude ... You guys are actually Africans ...migrated to India.
if you dont know abut mamuni mayan it is your stupidity. please visit aintiram read it carefully. you ariar demons will be thrown out of india soon. this is the land of tamils. you dont belong to india. you are afganistan terrorist group. hahahaha. go and read literatures of aintiram and american university of mayonic science and technology. you dint tell me why sanskrit school of grammer is named after the tamil literature aintiram. please write something fruitful. nobody from india came to learn sanskrit . you afganistan brahmins came to india and learned our technology and wrote them in sanskrit.
Mudaliar

Bangalore, India

#1726 Dec 4, 2013
^American university of mayonic science^You need lots of money to study the courses offered in piece meal.I regret that instead of throwing brick bats with each other and people must try to clarify the opinions with evidences simple enough to follow by layman.
I am also interested in knowing
^what is the nila suktam in yajur veda talks about? who is the goddess mentioned in this suktam? whose consort is her? in which part of the world the goddess has temples?...^Which blog or link or research source we can find answers.
Jacob seems to know more about history, please provide chronological events and record in this forum. It is a pity that you have not bothered to know the antiquity of major South indian languages.and yet arguing for Tamil blindly?
Since Jacob studied a lot on religions, please provide the period of floods (as mentioned in Sangam literatures)correlating with other religions. Without mentioning chronology it is like the story of the elephant description by four blind people.
There were many periods of ups and down for Tamil as well as other languages. Whenever, sanskrit dominated, Brahmanism was ruling and destroying other relgions .Jainism oldest religion is almost extinct now . Same as Buddhism only in other countries and almost extinct from India , in spite of an attempt to revive by Ambedkar. But we need to know what happened before any religion was practiced. There are lots of literature left by these religions similar to Tamil literature.
Note , but for Tamil thatha, we would have lost Tholkapiam too.Now we can read online all the olai read by tamil thatha painfully.Can any one upload the AINTRAM OLAIS for future generation to research .It cannot be the monopoly of American university , located at Chennai to mint money like many yoga gurus do at the west, hijacking our age old knowledge and repackaging to mint . If anything I have mentioned is not true, my ignorance can be tolerated in this forum.
jacob tirunelveli

Ahmedabad, India

#1727 Dec 5, 2013
mr.mudaliar nila suktam is sung in praise of devi the god of creations. she is also said to be one of the wife(third) of lord vishnu. the nila suktam is full of prayer to devi asking for blessings. there is no other things in nila suktam. according to tamil sanga literatures the first tamil sangam started around 10400bc and the king who started this sangam was kaaisina vazhuthi pandian. maamuni mayan, agathyar, thuvarakai komaan and many poets and also kings submitted their literatures. The first diluge occured around 6000bc. the second sangam started around 5650 to 5700bc. the poets who participated were thurunamaakini(tholkaapiyar) , athankottu aasaan, thuraalingar, sempootsei, vaiyaapikanaar, panam paarananaar, vaaipiyanar, kazhaarampanar, avinayanar, kaakkai paadiniyar, narathanar, vaamananar. the second diluge destroyed kavatapuram around 1750bc. kavatapuram is a historical proof from roman historical writer pliny of 30bc , and ramayanam. the third tamil sangam started around 1500bc and ended at 350bc. the second diluge around 1750 bc coinsides with the submerge of twaraka. the proof of first flood in other languages are matsya purana that says about tamil king manu who escaped the flood and started his life from kerala. noah's story is also a memorized and copied story of matsya purana. because this same story is written in sumer also. the king who was mentioned was agathyar with 7 vedas and literatures.
jacob tirunelveli

Ahmedabad, India

#1728 Dec 5, 2013
neela devi is also called bhoomadevi. she is the earth. she was created by the energy of vishnu. she is blue in colour and she loves all and gives good to even those who offended her. jupiter is the planet associated with neela devi. her temples are all over india and nepal. i know trivandrum lakshmi varaha temple and one in tirunelveli. she is always seen with fighting demons. she is also the lakshmi who gives wealth and neela devi with a tiger .iam a christian but years ago i had a dream i was sitting in front of a heavenly treasure. devil came there with his demon men and tried to take that treasure i was no match to that demons. suddenly a big flash of light came from sky neela devi and her tiger stepped down from that light . the demons were no match to the tiger it tore them off and they ran for their life. neela devi and the tiger left the place and i handed over the treasure to the responsible people. and i heard a blessing of neela devi from sky for me. after that dream only my life changed and i concentrated more on my growth . i knew only jesus but i dont know why goddess neela devi came in my dream and blessed me.

Since: Aug 13

Ashburn, VA

#1729 Dec 5, 2013
Mudaliar wrote:
^what is the nila suktam in yajur veda talks about? who is the goddess mentioned in this suktam? whose consort is her? in which part of the world the goddess has temples?...
nila suktam talks about the goddess nila or neela devi or the water goddess one of the three consorts of vishnu...
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nila_Devi
neela means water in tamil root word is neeluthal(stretching) since water has the ability of stretching,neelu means water in telugu also,this word is particularly famous in pandyan kingdom...here la in nee"la" should be the small la which we use to denote "palli" in tamil ie school...(there is no proper word in devanagari to show difference between la and lha..).vishnu gives his heart to lakshmi for residing,bhu devi formed from the thigh of mahavishnu whereas nila devi is entirely filled in vishnu's body this is why his colour is depicted as blue, this is like sivan's arthanareeswara form including siva in right sakthi in left...as per tamil vaisnavites vishnu is the atma representing spiritual world in a human body, sridevi or lakshmi is the mental energy or swarkaloga representing mind...niladevi is the vital energy or bhuvarloga representing the senses,movable bloods,sensory nerves...bhudevi is the physical energy or bhuloka reperesenting stable hard parts of a human body like skeleton...so a human to realise the atma he should use his powers sri,nila and bhudevi residing in his body...this is the reason why in every tamil vaishnavite temples the priests asks the visitors to see first the "thaayaar"(goddess) before seeing vishnu...among the 7 chakras of human body vishnu represents swadhistaanam associated with the panjabootha 'water' which is responsible for human's emotions sexual desires and reproduction...before the creation of planets and other living things this entire universe will be filled with water and narayana in a small baby form resides in a banyan leaf floats in that water(niladevi) as per below picture...

http://t3.gstatic.com/images...

This is similar to a sperm travelling in a liquid...since vishnu is the only male or paramathma as per vaishnavism...so whatever happens inside a human body happens in universe also this is why a tamil siththar sings as andamae pindam,pindamae andam(universe is the body and body is the universe)
nila devi is the consort of narayana(krishna's previous form) and this why krishna is often seen as a lover of cows that delivers milk products, stealing butter a product of milk and defeating seven bulls(jallikkattu) to marry the cowherd girl nappinnai(radha) which are all representing narayana's affection towards nila devi...

http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.com/2008/0...

the only temple where vishnu is seen with sri,bhu,nila devi is in thiruthangal near sivakasi in pandiyan kingdom

http://temple.dinamalar.com/New.php...

http://kumbakonamtemples.in/ninra-narayanan-t... -–-thiru-thangal.html

this too i know because i lived in that place...but this temple is very famous among n.indians watched many times numerous n.indians visited here but not recognition like srirangam and thirupathi
Mudaliar

Bangalore, India

#1730 Dec 5, 2013
Great going, thanks to Jacob and Thirivkraman,
As for the links , I will sure digest them, at the earliest.Please note that my writings are instant recapitulation of my past readings.I need to express caution for Wikipedia and many sites which are biased and poisoned by white men in collusion with some Sanskrit scholars.Even so called pundits have difference of opinion on following Pannini grammar .It is true that out of 2% of Brahmins , very few can still can recite ex tempo the.Vedas, Puranas etc.Even Vashnavisim came up countering Saivism inducting poisons and pitted against each other.If I am correct Sankaracharya^s ^interpretations of scriptures was not accepted by by Madvacharya,Chaitanya?
I wish to know , what was before Brahmanism , Jainism, Buddhism etc . Tantra culture originated before what? Was it to to counter the Brahminical forces or lost out to Brahmincal ,vedic rituals , sati practices etc. Well I may digressing from antiquity of language.
Since Tamil antiquity is highly depended upon literatures , we need more proofs for dating Sangams .What sources are available , archeology, anthropology etc. What is the status of Aricamedu excavations, Kaveripattanam/poompuhar etc.
One have to be depended more on old records where you do not find Aryan, Dravidian, South North ETC.If unavoidable, the true colors of those words are to be kept in mind.
Sometime before I happened to study Surya Siddanta, an English translation of sanskrit version. Any tamil version in web?
As I am busy now with Biological Anthropology, Introductory biology but with latest Genomics, genetics,etc will follow the forum but may not be able to contribute substantially. Lastly what is the status of Tholkappiam grammar , Can it be learned ? How much of modern Tamil is depended upon those rules?. Is there any work going on to translate latest status of art ,in Technology,Science ,Computer etc. Why we cannot revert to tamil alphabetical numerals instead of Arabic numerals( those Arabic numerals were originated from Tamil letters is another story I read)Will that put the clock back in knowledge evolution.
Mudaliar

Bangalore, India

#1731 Dec 5, 2013
Incidentally I did read some posts from the blog, ^non random thoughts^, but not all. There we can find genuine research materials. How much has been accepted by peers , I do not know.
Rajasekar RRR

Ashburn, VA

#1733 Dec 6, 2013
Spoken primarily in several
southern Indian states, Tamil also
holds official language status in India ,Sri
Lanka Malaysia ,Canada and Singapore. It is one the
oldest languages still in use today
and has around 80 million total
speakers.
Tamil is the world 1st language .....
Mudaliar

Bangalore, India

#1735 Dec 6, 2013
Rajasekar RRR

It will be interesting and useful to know ,how many , and which universities Tamil is taught as first, second language and research is going on past literature !!!. What is the status in all other fields of education?
Abimanasingham Sitthawatt

Colombo, Sri Lanka

#1736 Dec 6, 2013
There is no evidence to prove that Sanskrit was in use before Tamil language. However,there are literary and acrchaeological evidences to prove that all the "ancient" Sanskrit and Tamil literature, Grammar books and lexicons were composed by a Tamil Mahayana Buddhist Monk. As an example: There is a Tamil Lexicon called "Ceenthan Tivaakaram." It has 12 chapters and each ends with a stanza. Go through those stanzas to confirm my statement.In addition to this there are a number of ancient Tamil literature that confirm this.Written Tamil is the only ancient language in which there is a definite scientific reason for a word to give meaning.The Western scholars had come to the conclusion that a word is conventional. But, Tolkaapiyan in his Tolkaapiyam had said:”&#2990;&#3018; &#2996;&#3007;&#29 86;&#3021; &#2986;&#3018;&#29 92;&#3009;&#2975;& #3021; &#2965;&#3006;&#29 92;&#2979;&#2990;& #3021; &#2997;&#3007;&#29 96;&#3007;&#2986;& #3021;&#2986;&#2980; &#3021; &#2980;&#3019;&#29 85;&#3021;&#2993;& #3006;.” Commentaries written for this sutra by Nacchinaarkiniyar and Seenaavaraiyar eplain how a Tamil word gives meaning!
kalai mani

Sharjah, UAE

#1737 Dec 6, 2013
Tamil is very old language and easy to learning.....f##k malayali's
DR SUMATHI

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

#1738 Dec 8, 2013
I have read the above comments.Some are very informative and some are ridiculous.Before commenting please research properly.No matter which language came first language is just a mode of communication.All the languages should be loved because it brings one closer to each other.Everybody will feel their languages are greater.please do not deny their rights.I don't deny tamil is the oldest language which is very unique and beautiful and same goes to other languages too.Tamil and sanskrit is god created language so treasure it.Please stop degrading other languages.
Mudaliar

Bangalore, India

#1739 Dec 8, 2013
DR SUMATHI

Let us not worry about the people who are misfit for this forum. It will be better to identify the posts which are informative and providing links to follow through..Also build constructive arguments for ^ridiculous^ ones leaving out those use foul language.
Instead of quoting God, there is nothing wrong in establishing ,finding and doing research for the roots of Languages. True there can be other opinion for their respective mother tongue. There is lot of research is going on various new frontiers on evolution of man, languages etc. Some are just using new research tools not available in earlier decades.

Just yesterday I read that there exists in Tamil and Malayalam scripts written before Vedas in Sanskrit which were recorded from verbal to writings.(Vigyan Bhairav Tantra/Siva Grantha). Can any one throw light with links?

Abimanasingham Sitthawatt

Also, what was the time period for"Ceenthan Tivaakaram." and where we can read the same?

^There is no evidence to prove that Sanskrit was in use before Tamil language.^Can we have concrete evidence a bit more for better understanding, if there is any for Tamil language.

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