Which is the Oldest Indian Language? ...
Shruthi

Bangalore, India

#1544 Oct 6, 2013
Thrivikraman wrote:
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dear shruti, i have already mentioned in my previous comments that sanskrit is a modified tamil form so there is nothing wrong if sanskrit have tamil names...rajakumaran can be written as rasakumaran in kodunthamil(spoken or modified tamil)and arasakumaran in pure tamil...sa will convert to ja in sanskrit...sanskrit doesnt use tamil's soul letter in beginning when it is modified so actually the sanskrit letters starting with a,aah,e,eeh,u,uuh,ae,aaeh,ai,o h,ooh,ouh as we think are all tamil words even Aariyan(arya) also tamil word ariyan means ayyappan or ayyanaar as per soodamani nikandu eg. uruthiran->rudra,ari->ha ri,aran->haran,irudayam- >hrudaya...murugan born from krittika or sivan's third eye?...as far as i know kiruthikai is type of a viratham dedicated for murugan...six fire sparks emitted(kandhu-emission,kandha n->skandha) from sivan's third eye dropped in saravanapoigai transformed to six childs brought up by karthigai girls so the name karthikeyan(kar+thee+keyan-the one who removes black or dark and gives the light)...karthigai->kruttik a(soul letter ah removed in ka leaving just "ik") just like karuthanan->krushnan...aaru mugan becomes shanmukha..mugam->mukha...m urugan named from "muruguthal" means young,valour,beauty...usually murugan refers to the pose when he use a peacock mount and rooster flag...peacock denotes beauty and rooster denotes valour(rooster most courageous in birds and peacock most beautiful bird)...interestingly vaelar in tamil also denotes murugan...murugan's chanting nama is six letter word like his six face "sa ra va na ba va"...
Hey Hi, The things which you are saying can be vise-versa also. The word can be taken from Sanskrit to Tamil. Provide me some evidence just because you have said it why should I blindly go with you. Ayyapan does not mean Arayan. Nowhere in world dictionary you will find Aryan is a Tamil word. You are just bending and twisting at your own convenience without facts. let me teach you tamil. Ayappan does not mean Ariyan. It is a tamil word which means Ayya+ Appa. Ayya means mother in tamil and Appa means Father.So his mother and father are Vishnu and Shiva. Murugan came to an existence with the term Aarmugan became murugan when local people change and as you know pronunciation differs from person to person place to place. So I t can be like that,And One more thing parvathi derived from parvath means Hill in Sanskrit and Parvathi means who lives on hill. In Tamil Hill means Malla. So don't twist bend and make it tamil. Ok Please go through a comparison between Tamil and Sanskrit. Take time and read the next by me to understand the greatness and beauty of both the languages.
Shruthi

Bangalore, India

#1545 Oct 6, 2013
There is a beautiful comparison of both the languages. I am posting this in two parts because of the word limits. Read and find how these both languages complimented each other in ancient times.
The six most ancient languages in the world are Sanskrit, Tamil, Hebrew, Arabic, Greek and Latin. All these six are classical languages as well. Of these six classical languages Tamil and Sanskrit are the two classical languages, which flourished in India since very ancient times.what I would like to call a bird's eye-view of these two languages, to enable you to have a fleeting glimpse of greatness and glory of these two hoary languages which together constitute the pride of India.
Sanskrit,the exact antiquity of Sanskrit cannot be established with any degree of certainty. This is because, we have written records only for the past 5000 years. Therefore, history beyond that period is in the realm of fancy and conjecture. The Rig Veda, the oldest among the Vedas is said to be 10,000 years old, if not older. But, there are no written records to prove this fact. But, the fact remains that Sanskrit was the lingua franca of India for thousands of years.
The four Vedas and the Upanishads, the Brahma-Sutra written by Veda Vyasa, the two epics Ramayana and Mahabharata and the Bhagavad-Gitawhich forms part of the Mahabharata are all in Sanskrit. There are numerous devotional works and hyms in Sanskrit.
Sanskrit literature is one of the richest in the world. The number of standard works in Sanskrit is mind-bogging and runs into several hundreds. In ancient times, some Kings were also erudite scholars. For example, Harshavardhana who ruled a large segment of India between 606 to 647 AD was an erudite Sanskrit scholar and wrote a number of literary works in Sanskrit like Nagananda, Rathavali and Priyadarsika.Sanskrit grew from strength to strength, so long as India was ruled by Hindu Kings. It reached the pinnacle of its glory during the Golden Age of the Guptas. Indeed, the Golden Age of the Guptas was also the Golden Age of Sanskrit. Kalidasa, the tallest literary figure in Sanskrit and author of plays like Meghaduta, Abhijnana-Sakuntalam,Kumara Sambhava, Raghuvamsa etc. lived during this period. It is not only literature but also all forms of art and science had a luxuriant growth and development during the Gupta rule. Varahamihira, an eminent scientist lived during the Gupta age and wrote brilliant works on various faculties like astronomy, geography and botony. His brilliant works include Brihat Samhita and Loghu jataka. A!ya Bha , the great mathematician, laid the foundation of the number system. Zero was invented by him. He was also a great astronomer who wrote Surya Siddanta, in which he proved that the earth revolved round its axis. Many such examples can be cited to prove that it is not only art and literature, but also science and technology made rapid strides during the Golden Age of Guptas. Decimal system was invented during the Gupta period.
Sanskrit is a veritable storehouse of knowledge and there are
standard text-books in it in all faculties or disciplines including science,technology, mathematics, astrology, astronomy, botany, medicine etc. So,it is not as if Sanskrit is literature alone, including devotional literature and nothing else. It is gratifying that the Government of India is doing its level
best to promote the learning of Sanskrit in India, including spoken
Sanskrit. This is a good augury, because Sanskrit and Indian culture and civilisation have been indissolubly bound together, right from antiquity. However, this alone is not enough. Max Mueller translated the Rig Veda and the principal Upanishad into English. There are several English translations of the Bhagavad-Gita.
Shruthi

Bangalore, India

#1546 Oct 6, 2013
I shall now give a brief resume of Tamil literature. If there is any Indian language which is equal to Sanskrit it is Tamil only and not any other Indian language for that matter. Sanskrit is a match for Tamil. Conversely, Tamil is a match for Sanskrit in grandeur and greatness.
It is difficult to say how old Tamil is. But, it is the considered opinion of Dr.M.Varadarajan, an outstanding Tamil scholar that it is 25,000 years old. It has a vast repertoire of classical works. The earliest extant classic in Tamil is, of course, Tolkappiam, which is said to be 5000 years old. But, there are references in Tamil literature about works earlier to Tolkappiam, but these have been irretrievably lost to posterity. Generally speaking Silappadigaram, Chintamani, Manimekalai, Valayapathi and Gundalakesi are considered as five great classics in Tamil literature, of which the last two have been lost to posterity. But, the greatest classic in Tamil literature is undoubtedly Kamba Ramayanam, an epic poem of around 12,000 verses, written in grandiose style. The number of literary works in Tamil is legion. And each literary work has a distinctive flavour of its own. For example, Villibharatam, excels in the use of choice diction and resonant rhymes while Kalingathu Bharani glorifies heroism on the battlefield. There are also several devotional works in Tamil like Devaram, Tiruvachagam, Thiruppavai, Tiruvembavai, Nalayirathu Divya Prabandam, Thiru Arutpa and Thiruppugazh, to mention only a few among them. This is because piety has been the hallmark of Tamils since antinquity.
One of the greatest works in Tamil which is of timeless value is, of course, Tirukkural, containing nuggets of wisdom. There are several commentaries on it, but that by Parimalazhagar is regarded as the best by erudite scholars. Modern students of Tamil literature can make profitable use of the rendition of the Tirukkural into simple prose by Dr.M.Varadarajan, a name to conjure with Tamil literature. His work Kallo Kaviyamo is a masterpiece, which has won wide acclaim.
The renaissance of Tamil language/ literature took place only during the British regime. New forms of writing in Tamil never known before, like skit, modern prose, article, essay, drama, one-act play, short story, novel, satire etc. blossomed only after scholars and writers in Tamil were exposed to English and its literature.
The twentieth century was a watershed in Tamil literature. There were hundreds of writers in Tamil who tried all forms of writing with success as explained earlier. Tamil periodicals like Ananda Vikatan, Kalki, Kumudam, Amuda Surabi and Kalaimagal gave a big boost to the prolific growth of Tamil literature notably novels, which were serialised and published as short stories and essays.
Tamil prose and poetry also underwent a transformation during the 20th century. The trend-setter in modem Tamil prose was T.V.Kalyanasundara Mudaliar, affectionately known as Thiru-vi-ka, while the trend-setter in modem Tamil poetry was Subramania Bharathi. In short, the largest and varied output in Tamil literature came about only in the twentieth century, the Golden Age of Tamil literature.
The British regime also enabled foreign scholars to learn Tamil language and its literature, owing to which the greatness and glory of Tamil literature spread to many foreign countries. For example, Tirukkural was first translated into English by G.U. Pope. Subsequently, there were other translations of Tirukkural. Now, there is a Penguin edition of Tirukkural about which every Tamil can feel proud.
Shruthi

Bangalore, India

#1547 Oct 6, 2013
Till now, I have given you a resume of Sanskrit and Tamil literature. Now, I will dwell on the growth of both Tamil and Sanskrit literature in Tamil Nadu since ancient times.
The ancient Tamils regarded both Tamil and Sanskrit as their two eyes, as some Tamil scholars have stressed time and again. They learnt both these languages with equal fervour.
There is no poet without a patron. Therefore, if both Tamil and Sanskrit flourished simultaneously in Tamil Nadu from ancient times, it was only because Tamil Kings patronised both Tamil and Sanskrit without any discrimination. Kanchi was a great seat of learning Sanskrit in ancient times.
Many Tamil scholars were equally proficient in Sanskrit too in ancient times like Agathiyar, Tolkappiar and others. It is debatable whether Kambar would have written his magnum opus Kamba Ramayanarn with such unrivalled excellence, but for his commendable proficiency in Sanskrit. Some poets, as for example, Villiputhurar and Arunagirinathar blended both these languages in their poems judiciously. In fact, there was a time, not long ago, when only those who were proficient in both languages were regbrded as scholars by the academicians. That was about 150 years ago.
But, four outstanding Tamil scholars namely Subramania Bharati and his friends and disciples Bharatidasan, Swami Vedachalarn who changed his name into pure Tamil as Maraimalai Adigal and V.K.Suryanarayana Sastriar who changed his name into pure Tamil as Paridimaal Kalaignar fomented Tamil frenzy among the people of Tamil Nadu, through their speeches or writings or both. Some Tamil scholars like Navalar Somasundara Bharathiyar denigrated Sanskrit. As if this was not enough, there were some politicians who launched in season and out of season vitriolic tirades against Sanskrit and branded it as an alien language. Hence Sanskrit began to languish in Tamil Nadu since the dawn of the twentieth century after flourishing continuously for thousands of years in Tamil Nadu.
There are many Western scholars who learn Sanskrit even today and realise much to their pleasant surprise that it is a veritable treasure trove.
There are many Muslims who learn Sanskrit in India and abroad even today. Recently, a Muslim scholar had translated the Bhagavad-Gita into Urdu from Sanskrit. Mr.M.M.Ismail, former Chief Justice of Madras High Court, who is propagating the greatness and glory of Kamba Ramayanam is well up in Sanskrit and speaks fluently in that language.
When western scholars who are Chrisitans and Muslims in India and abroad learn Sanskrit, there is no reason why Tamils should not emulate the shining example of their forbears and start learning Sanskrit right from now onwards. I hope you will ponder over this issue in all earnestness.
I have hitherto made a comparative analysis of Sanskrit and Tamil literature and explained with facts and figures as to how both Tamil and Sanskrit flourished in Tamil Nadu simultaneously since ancient times.
R.P.Sethu Pillai, a distinguished Tamil savant has said in one of his essays in Tamil that both Sanskrit and Tamil had a luxuriant growth by God's grace. It is hoped that both these ancient and classical languages will be learnt with avidity not by the people in India, but also by scholars in all countries around the world, so that India's priceless and peerless heritage may be known the world over, as a result of which India's prestige will soar throughout the globe.
Mudaliar

Mumbai, India

#1548 Oct 6, 2013
Dear Shruthi

Well done. Wish if you can highlight
1. The difference between Vedic Sanskrit and Classical Sanskrit

2. Script development of Tamil and Sanskrit

3. What is the difference between Old Malayalam and Kodun Tamil

4. Which Telugu and Kannada kings patronized Tamil?
Vinod S

Bangalore, India

#1550 Oct 7, 2013
Thrivikraman wrote:
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Prabakaran born in a hardcore hindu saivite family...since he named his first charles antony(named after late ltte field marshall) he is seen as a christian leader...but in reality his another son's name is balachandran(krishna) and his daughter's name is dwaraka...prabhakaran is a big devotee of krishna and had belief in bhagavad gita...but everything went against him...dravidian parties imposed aryan-dravidian theory in srilankan issue also separated srilankan tamils and indians...but prabhakaran doesnt hate india and the chinese come to srilanka only after prabhakaran died...nobody can save india from china since chinese well placed in srilanka and their first target will be kudankulam and it would never happened if prabhakaran is there...prabakaran very much inspired by the activities of nethaji...he never seen nethaji as an aryan but indian...many tamils beleive as if though nethaji reincarnated as prabhakaran since his activities similar to nethaji...when rajiv gandhi was murdered many congress leaders,mlas,mps,ministers,off icers were not with him because the plan to kill him was well known among them but rajiv dont know...4 days before the sriperumbudur bomb blast rajiv gandhi warned usa's intervention in kuwait...but these matters doesnt taken into account in rajiv gandhi murder case...cia,kashmir jihadis,sonia gandhi,subramania swamy,karunanithi are all to be accused but at the end everything pointed prabhakaran...prabhakaran in one of his interview denied his part in rajiv's death and his face went sad when asked about rajiv's death...a picture showing many sinhala soldiers beating rajiv in colombo airport is available show sinhalese's brutal face but facist sonia gandhi never seen him as a husband joint hands with sinhala who beaten rajiv gandhi killed srlankan tamils to hide her deadliest face...
Sir, Just for Knowing, then how come nalini, Murugan and few who were caught in Rajeev's Assasination, agreed that they were from LTTE.
Vinod S

New Delhi, India

#1551 Oct 7, 2013
Bala Tamizhan wrote:
I will agree you can kill pabakaran, But how dare showing racism in killing 150000 tamil peoples. Surely God will kill the peoples who supported to kill Srilankan tamils. I think this is what happened in Kedarnath killing more than 3000 peoples. God will soon tally it.
Hey, Please do not introduce the Racism into this block. infact it hurts many.

Since: Aug 13

Delhi, India

#1552 Oct 7, 2013
Vinod S wrote:
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Sir, Just for Knowing, then how come nalini, Murugan and few who were caught in Rajeev's Assasination, agreed that they were from LTTE.
i think they may have left ltte organisation...but may have used ltte's name for rajiv's assasination and it is not sure if they accepted or forced to accept...the case is not ...prabhakaran had never hate india as well as tamils in tamilnadu...and he knows if bomb will blasts to kill rajiv ,tamils will also die along with rajiv then how he will plan to kill his own brothers...how still millions of tamils in tamilnadu as well as srilanka treat him as leader?...how come marathi bjp leader ashish shelar opposed the film madras cafe? many north indian leaders supported llte movement they never seen ltte as a terrorist organisation...till the last moment in his life time he expected bjp to win so that they will come to stop srilankan's attack on tamil civilians
Vinod S

Bangalore, India

#1553 Oct 7, 2013
shruti wrote:
<quoted text> I don't know whether Ramayana and Mahabharata are imaginary or not but what you wrote is completely imaginary. There satellite pictures of Ramsethu. And also evidences of dwarika city. Srilanka and Indian Govt has set up a project to build bridge on it and also adding to your knowledge you can google a documentary done by history channel on atomic usage in Mahabharata. Alright even if it is a story or imagination then also it is a great work. There is no character in Ramayana or Mahabharata which you can't find in real life. Now you say that Veda was in Tamil and copied to Sanskrit. Where is the Tamil Veda.? Shiva is sense and linga is senseless. In what sense you are saying this. Do you even know meaning of Shiva. Shav is deadbody in Sanskrit the ei tatva is life Shiva is life. And a great poet in Hindi vinobhacharya explained in beautiful way even he is god of destruction then why he is worshiped , because anything New have to come then it has to destroy. A rose is beautiful because it will bloom in spring but if is there for ever then its beauty is lost that is why end is imp. And in Gita also death is described as a beautiful lady. Which relieves you from everything. Similarly Vishnu means vishistha+anu. Vishistha means special and anu means atom. So it is special atom. You know Hinduism not only tell about heaven and hell but it is much scientific and deep. Atom (anu) was already discovered by Indian sages. Gita is also was in Tamil. Please justify what you say. Now my answer to your temple things are that in Tamilnadu Tamil kings equaly encouraged Sanskrit . Regarding inscriptions Halebeedu temple I found inscriptions in Sanskrit and old Kannada. In North also many old temples like somnath temple has shloka written in Sanskrit. Padamnabh swami temple also have inscription in Sanskrit and even Egyptians built Pyramids a without the mathematics. Which is also much more older. Visit Jantar Mantra in Jaipur and Delhi you will find yantras to calculate position of planets older days. So my dear friend justify Wat you say with evidences. Simply to quote I can also say Tamil is old Aramic. And Google who discovered zero, decimal etc. Please analyze facts properly.
Dear Shruthi Sister, Its unbelievable that Ravana used Aeroplane to Kidnap Seetha and Hanuman jumped from India to Srilanka.the epics were written based on the location.Actually there was the land which connects India and Srilanka which was used as the bridge constructed by Rama. you said there is no Tamil Vedha.Yes its true but the Culture and doctrine of tamil which transformed to Vedha and Documented like Traditional Medicines used by tamils converted to Ayurvedha.good eg for this is "Bodhidharma the third son of a Tamil Pallava king from Kanchipuram was sent to china to cure the POX disease.And when comparing to Jantar Mantar Similarly there is Poretry in Tamil sometimes in the BC which compares the "single Tamil Warrior fighting with the Enemies like the SUN which Manages the Nine Planets" So no doubt that Sun & planets were discovered earlier to the Jantar Mantar. it is true that Ancient Aramaic and Tamil lang has very close relationship. still Even today the languages spoken in many african countries are derived from Tamil. Many places from Africa are derived from tamil for eg., CYPRUS derived from seppu meaning copper, Cyprus has abundant of copper... Caspian Sea derived from tamil word casappu meaning bitter taste...the water from caspian sea tastes bitter... Sudan Derived from Tamil word Sudana-idam or Pagudhi meaning hottest place and sudan is considered to be one of the hottest place in the world. Also research indicates that Tamils originated from Africa 80,000 years ago.
Vinod S

New Delhi, India

#1554 Oct 7, 2013
shruti wrote:
<quoted text> I don't know whether Ramayana and Mahabharata are imaginary or not but what you wrote is completely imaginary. There satellite pictures of Ramsethu. And also evidences of dwarika city. Srilanka and Indian Govt has set up a project to build bridge on it and also adding to your knowledge you can google a documentary done by history channel on atomic usage in Mahabharata. Alright even if it is a story or imagination then also it is a great work. There is no character in Ramayana or Mahabharata which you can't find in real life. Now you say that Veda was in Tamil and copied to Sanskrit. Where is the Tamil Veda.? Shiva is sense and linga is senseless. In what sense you are saying this. Do you even know meaning of Shiva. Shav is deadbody in Sanskrit the ei tatva is life Shiva is life. And a great poet in Hindi vinobhacharya explained in beautiful way even he is god of destruction then why he is worshiped , because anything New have to come then it has to destroy. A rose is beautiful because it will bloom in spring but if is there for ever then its beauty is lost that is why end is imp. And in Gita also death is described as a beautiful lady. Which relieves you from everything. Similarly Vishnu means vishistha+anu. Vishistha means special and anu means atom. So it is special atom. You know Hinduism not only tell about heaven and hell but it is much scientific and deep. Atom (anu) was already discovered by Indian sages. Gita is also was in Tamil. Please justify what you say. Now my answer to your temple things are that in Tamilnadu Tamil kings equaly encouraged Sanskrit . Regarding inscriptions Halebeedu temple I found inscriptions in Sanskrit and old Kannada. In North also many old temples like somnath temple has shloka written in Sanskrit. Padamnabh swami temple also have inscription in Sanskrit and even Egyptians built Pyramids a without the mathematics. Which is also much more older. Visit Jantar Mantra in Jaipur and Delhi you will find yantras to calculate position of planets older days. So my dear friend justify Wat you say with evidences. Simply to quote I can also say Tamil is old Aramic. And Google who discovered zero, decimal etc. Please analyze facts properly.
Dear Shruthi, You cannot argue that Without Mathamatical calculations the Huge temples cannot be constructed in the Perfect Manner.
shruti

Bangalore, India

#1555 Oct 7, 2013
Vinod S wrote:
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Dear Shruthi Sister, Its unbelievable that Ravana used Aeroplane to Kidnap Seetha and Hanuman jumped from India to Srilanka.the epics were written based on the location.Actually there was the land which connects India and Srilanka which was used as the bridge constructed by Rama. you said there is no Tamil Vedha.Yes its true but the Culture and doctrine of tamil which transformed to Vedha and Documented like Traditional Medicines used by tamils converted to Ayurvedha.good eg for this is "Bodhidharma the third son of a Tamil Pallava king from Kanchipuram was sent to china to cure the POX disease.And when comparing to Jantar Mantar Similarly there is Poretry in Tamil sometimes in the BC which compares the "single Tamil Warrior fighting with the Enemies like the SUN which Manages the Nine Planets" So no doubt that Sun & planets were discovered earlier to the Jantar Mantar. it is true that Ancient Aramaic and Tamil lang has very close relationship. still Even today the languages spoken in many african countries are derived from Tamil. Many places from Africa are derived from tamil for eg., CYPRUS derived from seppu meaning copper, Cyprus has abundant of copper... Caspian Sea derived from tamil word casappu meaning bitter taste...the water from caspian sea tastes bitter... Sudan Derived from Tamil word Sudana-idam or Pagudhi meaning hottest place and sudan is considered to be one of the hottest place in the world. Also research indicates that Tamils originated from Africa 80,000 years ago.
I know it sounds odd when hear some of the things in Mahabharata. For example, Gandhari had 101 kids. So is it possible a human lady to birth 101 kids. Sounds really odd but if 250 years back if you would have told somebody that one day man will be able to fly like birds. Would somebody believed you. I am sure no. But it was not. There is a difference between simply denying or ignoring the fact or asking a simple question like is there a possibility which is the mother of all wonders which we see now. So let's come back to Mahabharata ok the Gandhari the princess of Gandhar (kandhar) now in Afghanistan, had 101 kids, as she was blessed by lord Shiva for that. She was pregnant for around 3years and when she delivered it was just a piece of flesh and she was very dissapointed and was about to throw it at that time one rishi came and divided into 101 pieces and put it inside life solution seperatly and the asked her to open it after 2 years and like this she got 101 kids. So now you think is it possible. Why not there is a possibility stem cloning is the science behind it. Actually I read a interview of an scientist where he disscused this thing many years back somewhere in 2002 or something, when they got success in that. Our Vedas described Navgrahas which we worship. but in west it was found so late. And they to admit that. Where Tamil Veda if Vedas are derived from Sanskrit please provide facts if you are saying something. And one more thing there always a possible in impossible. Ignorance is just like a dark room where knowledge is a light to enter but it cannot enter if we don't open the window of possibility.
shruti

Bangalore, India

#1557 Oct 7, 2013
Vinod S wrote:
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Dear Shruthi Sister, Its unbelievable that Ravana used Aeroplane to Kidnap Seetha and Hanuman jumped from India to Srilanka.the epics were written based on the location.Actually there was the land which connects India and Srilanka which was used as the bridge constructed by Rama. you said there is no Tamil Vedha.Yes its true but the Culture and doctrine of tamil which transformed to Vedha and Documented like Traditional Medicines used by tamils converted to Ayurvedha.good eg for this is "Bodhidharma the third son of a Tamil Pallava king from Kanchipuram was sent to china to cure the POX disease.And when comparing to Jantar Mantar Similarly there is Poretry in Tamil sometimes in the BC which compares the "single Tamil Warrior fighting with the Enemies like the SUN which Manages the Nine Planets" So no doubt that Sun & planets were discovered earlier to the Jantar Mantar. it is true that Ancient Aramaic and Tamil lang has very close relationship. still Even today the languages spoken in many african countries are derived from Tamil. Many places from Africa are derived from tamil for eg., CYPRUS derived from seppu meaning copper, Cyprus has abundant of copper... Caspian Sea derived from tamil word casappu meaning bitter taste...the water from caspian sea tastes bitter... Sudan Derived from Tamil word Sudana-idam or Pagudhi meaning hottest place and sudan is considered to be one of the hottest place in the world. Also research indicates that Tamils originated from Africa 80,000 years ago.
One more thing hangar mantra is a museum not any kind of discovery where yantraa to calculate planetary movements and many other interesting yantras are kept to verify geological things which were used by Indians earlier ok. So please understand it properly. Now one more thing it is said pushpak viman of Ravan used to travel at light speed. Whatever you Ramayana and Mahabharata a myth or etc but you cannot deny one fact that is a great creation. And one more thing even if Ravana had aeroplane as you say or not. But one thing I would definitely appreciate is the imagination and believing in imagination cost wright brothers to create aeroplanes. And whatever you say Mahabharata and Ramayana as a story or anything is a great teacher. There is no character in the world which you can not find in these. It is wonderfuly told that how ones own greed, selfishness, jealousy will take them to destruction. And if you want you can watch that documentary by history channel that there are traces of atomic power used in Mahabharata. Just Google it.
shruti

Bangalore, India

#1558 Oct 7, 2013
One more thing that jantar mantar is a museum nothing else and there are ancient days yantraa to calculate planetary movements and many other interesting yantras are kept to verify geological things which were used by the ancient Indians.So please understand it properly. Now one more thing it is said pushpak viman of Ravan used to travel at light speed. How they knew lights energy is fastest. Whatever you say Ramayana and Mahabharata are myth or etc but you cannot deny one fact that is a great creation. And one more thing even if Ravana had aeroplane as you say or not. But one thing I would definitely appreciate is the imagination in that which was done at that time and believing in imagination cost wright brothers to create aeroplanes. And whatever you say Mahabharata and Ramayana as a story or anything is a great teacher. There is no character in this world which you can not find in these. It is wonderfuly told that how ones own greed, selfishness, jealousy will take them to destruction. And if you want you can watch that documentary by history channel that there are traces of atomic power used in Mahabharata. Just Google it. It is interesting.

Since: Aug 13

Ashburn, VA

#1559 Oct 8, 2013
many people think that sanskrit turned to hindi and devanagari is sanskrit script...but in reality sanskrit doesnt have any script...it always depends on other languages...hindi cant be written in tamil english cant be written tamil, hindi cant be written in tamil but sanskrit can be written in tamil,hindi,english...this is is the difference sanskrit and others so it can never be a spoken language...so if sanskrit never be spoken,written language the only other left is tamil(this is why vanmeeki(valmiki) mentions the spoken language of the people of bharathavarsham was madhura basha (tamil) during ramayana...valmiki even written some verses in tamil's purananooru and the script he used to compose ramayanam is in tamil letters...both rama and ravana was tamil speaking kings...ravana was a master in sama vedam a specialist in playing yaazh(veenai), written many books in tamil...in one of his tamil book arkka prakasam he mentions why every new born child's first word is "amma")...hindi has some sanskrit words doesnt means
sanskrit=hindi, the vowels and
consonants of hindi are actually tamil
words ie.ah,aah,e,eeh,uh,o­
oh,aeh,aaeh,oh,ouh and (ka)-
ka,kha,ga,gha,(sa)-sa-sha,cha, jha,(ta)-
ta,da,(tha)-tha,dha,(pa)-pa,ba ,fa...the
letters in bracket are tamil
consonants which is called as vallina
ezhuthukkal means strong letters
which means the single letter 'ka' can
be used for different sounds ie
ka,kha,ga,gha similarly for sa,ta,tha,pa
and also rha...sanskrit means
modified tamil...so todays hindi is a
language which has tamil's vowels
and consonants with modified tamil
(sanskrit) words...tamil is complete in
southern most india(ie.tamilnadu
and kerala), modified in other south
india(karnataka,andhra) and shrinken
in north india...
eg.raman-rama-ram,krishnan(kan nan-
old tamil,krishnan-modern tamil)-
krishna-krishn,aanandham-aanan dha-
aanand,kumaran-kumara-
kumar,devan-deva-dev,kapilan-k apila-
kapil,vikraman-vikrama-
vikram,varunan-varuna-varun,ar unan-
aruna-arun,kamalanaathan-
kamalanaatha-kamal­
nath,ketharanaathan-ketharanaa thaa-
kedarnath,pathrinaathan-b­
adrinaathaa-badrinath,amaran-a mara-
amar,mahesan-mahesha-mahe­
sh,singham-singha-singh,sirava nan-
sravana-sravan,pirasadham-pras adha-prasad,kalyanam-kalyana-k alyan,vaibhavam-vaibhava-vaibh av,Veeran-veera-veer,thikku vijayam-thik vijaya-thik vijay,gangadharan-gangadhara-g angadhar,madhavan-madhava-madh av,idaiyavan-yadhavan-yadhav,t hileepan-thileepaa-dilip...
keerthana

Bangalore, India

#1560 Oct 8, 2013
sanskrit is the oldest language in inda.
varsha

Bangalore, India

#1561 Oct 8, 2013
tamil is the oldest language in india because there is a thing called ollachudi that is witten in tamil by the great rishes and it was written very back . so this makes sure that tamil is oldestttt.
shruti

Bangalore, India

#1562 Oct 9, 2013
Thrivikraman wrote:
many people think that sanskrit turned to hindi and devanagari is sanskrit script...but in reality sanskrit doesnt have any script...it always depends on other languages...hindi cant be written in tamil english cant be written tamil, hindi cant be written in tamil but sanskrit can be written in tamil,hindi,english...this is is the difference sanskrit and others so it can never be a spoken language...so if sanskrit never be spoken,written language the only other left is tamil(this is why vanmeeki(valmiki) mentions the spoken language of the people of bharathavarsham was madhura basha (tamil) during ramayana...valmiki even written some verses in tamil's purananooru and the script he used to compose ramayanam is in tamil letters...both rama and ravana was tamil speaking kings...ravana was a master in sama vedam a specialist in playing yaazh(veenai), written many books in tamil...in one of his tamil book arkka prakasam he mentions why every new born child's first word is "amma")...hindi has some sanskrit words doesnt means
sanskrit=hindi, the vowels and
consonants of hindi are actually tamil
words ie.ah,aah,e,eeh,uh,o­
oh,aeh,aaeh,oh,ouh and (ka)-
ka,kha,ga,gha,(sa)-sa-sha,cha, jha,(ta)-
ta,da,(tha)-tha,dha,(pa)-pa,ba ,fa...the
letters in bracket are tamil
consonants which is called as vallina
ezhuthukkal means strong letters
which means the single letter 'ka' can
be used for different sounds ie
ka,kha,ga,gha similarly for sa,ta,tha,pa
and also rha...sanskrit means
modified tamil...so todays hindi is a
language which has tamil's vowels
and consonants with modified tamil
(sanskrit) words...tamil is complete in
southern most india(ie.tamilnadu
and kerala), modified in other south
india(karnataka,andhra) and shrinken
in north india...
eg.raman-rama-ram,krishnan(kan nan-
old tamil,krishnan-modern tamil)-
krishna-krishn,aanandham-aanan dha-
aanand,kumaran-kumara-
kumar,devan-deva-dev,kapilan-k apila-
kapil,vikraman-vikrama-
vikram,varunan-varuna-varun,ar unan-
aruna-arun,kamalanaathan-
kamalanaatha-kamal­
nath,ketharanaathan-ketharanaa thaa-
kedarnath,pathrinaathan-b­
adrinaathaa-badrinath,amaran-a mara-
amar,mahesan-mahesha-mahe­
sh,singham-singha-singh,sirava nan-
sravana-sravan,pirasadham-pras adha-prasad,kalyanam-kalyana-k alyan,vaibhavam-vaibhava-vaibh av,Veeran-veera-veer,thikku vijayam-thik vijaya-thik vijay,gangadharan-gangadhara-g angadhar,madhavan-madhava-madh av,idaiyavan-yadhavan-yadhav,t hileepan-thileepaa-dilip...
HI, If devnagari is not a script of Sanskrit then for which language devanagari for. Ok now to proove that Tamil had a huge influence of Sanskrit and all the above words are Sanskrit origin. There was a different script invented in Tamil called "Grantha Tamil" to write Sanskrit words in Tamil because Tamil lack some letters which are in Tamil. Pallavas and other kings used it. And Tamil script is developed from Brahmi. Brahmi was the language used during Ashokas reign. Oldest inscriptions of Tamil is in Brahmi. It was introduced by Ashoka to convey his messages to public. And varient of brahmi inscriptions are found in several parts. Even in some caves of Afghanistan. You can read about Grantha Tamil in Wikipedia. I am providing you evidence and also read about Tamil brahmi or brahmi script. But at that time all buddhist books were written in Sanskrit so it proves that books were written in Sanskrit even when Tamil script was being developed. You can checkout in Wikipedia about Grantha Tamil and Brahmi language too.
Vigneshwar Sivaraj

Ashburn, VA

#1563 Oct 9, 2013
Everyone keeps arguing that Sanskrit is the oldest language and was created by Lord Shiva himself. But you people forget to remember the fact that origin of Shiva name meaning is from the Tamil word 'sivandha' which means the 'The red one'!!!
Now you can decide which language is the oldest....

Since: Aug 13

Coimbatore, India

#1564 Oct 10, 2013
shruti wrote:
<quoted text> HI, If devnagari is not a script of Sanskrit then for which language devanagari for. Ok now to proove that Tamil had a huge influence of Sanskrit and all the above words are Sanskrit origin. There was a different script invented in Tamil called "Grantha Tamil" to write Sanskrit words in Tamil because Tamil lack some letters which are in Tamil. Pallavas and other kings used it. And Tamil script is developed from Brahmi. Brahmi was the language used during Ashokas reign. Oldest inscriptions of Tamil is in Brahmi. It was introduced by Ashoka to convey his messages to public. And varient of brahmi inscriptions are found in several parts. Even in some caves of Afghanistan. You can read about Grantha Tamil in Wikipedia. I am providing you evidence and also read about Tamil brahmi or brahmi script. But at that time all buddhist books were written in Sanskrit so it proves that books were written in Sanskrit even when Tamil script was being developed. You can checkout in Wikipedia about Grantha Tamil and Brahmi language too.
grantha letters were not only used to
write sanskrit in tamil script...grantha
letters were later addition to tamil
letters...but the sounds
ha,sha,ja,ksha were already in use
but in written form ha will be written
as ah,ka sha,ja,ksha will be in sa, and
ksha is written in itcha in some
areas...so even though grantha
letters sounds were written in normal
tamil ancient tamils know difference
between normal tamil letters and
grantha letters...for example
agathiyar's name is written in
agathiyar in tamil but during his
time when any body lived they would
have call him as "agastya" so grantha
letter sounds already there but it is
still mentioned in normal letters...for
a native tamilan it is easy for him to
differentiate grantha scripts and
normal tamil letters even though it is
written in normal letters...vishnu is
written as vittunu(without grantha
script) but it will be prounced as
vishnu through mouth...for example
take the letter "caption"...since tion
is used we should prounounce it as
captiyan but instead we prounce as
capshan...hrishikeshan is written
using grantha script in tamil but
before its use the word irudikesan
(aazhwars used this in nalayira diviya
prapandham even though grantha
script is used)is used..hri-iru, shi-di,
sha-sa...so the use of grantha script
doesnt mean that sanskrit is
introduced to tamil BUT TO MAKE THE SANSKRIT WRITINGS IN TAMIL SCRIPT UNDERSTANDABLE...agathiyar wrote tamil books like agathiyam(grammer for tamil which was destroyed by him itself when he found his student tholkappian's grammer is a better one), agathiyar 1200(siddha medicine that includes even surgery),prabanja khandam(a study about planets,stars,galaxies,galaxy clusters in universe) and also sanskrit book agathiya samkithai(making of electric power from hydrogen and water ie mithra-varuna sakthi) here samkithai is used in old tamil script but after grantha script used sam"ki"thai turns to sam"hi"thai...same way a book called vimana saathiram(making of space crafts) is used by ancient tamils after grantha letters introduction it is called as vimana sa"s"thiram...brahmi is a type of script used to understand tamil easier for eg a person whose mother tongue is prakirutham can learn tamil easier using brahmi...but tamil's root words are not from brahmi script because brahmi script doesnt have 12 soul letters or vowels(uyirezhuthukkal)...vatt ezhuthu(rounded letter) script is more older than brahmi...

Since: Aug 13

Ashburn, VA

#1565 Oct 11, 2013
there is a misbeleif among tamils that
ramayana,and mahabharatha are just
myths. because of the brainwashing dravidian politics..but in reality it is the history of three
tamil dynasties, the solar(cholar)
dynasty related to ramayanam and
lunar(pandiyar)dynasty, agni(cherar-
pallavar) dynasty related to
mahabharatham...the copper plates
unearthed from thiruvalankadu
temple shows the chola ancestory
from sun to the cholas of kaliyuga
period eg karikalan(who built the
world's oldest dam kallanai surviving
till today)..when rama ruled
ayothiyapatinam(ayodhya) his relation
dharma varman ruled uraiyoor
(present trichy)...pururuvas(­
purooruvan' generations)-ikshavagus
(itchavaagu's generations) rivalry is
actually the fight between pandiyas
and cholas continued till
kaliyuga...tholkappiam mentions the
fighting techniques used by tamil
kings in warfare some of those were aanirai
kavarthal(aa-cow,aanirai-
cattle,kavardhal-capturing) and
aanirai meettal(meettal-restoring)
...aanirai kavardhal(a king will
capture the cattle field of his rivalry
king inorder to challenge him to come
to fight)...aanirai meettal(the king
who losts the cattle field accepts the
challenge comes to fight till death
restores the cattle field...result of
this war is either the king will die or
he will restores the cattle field since
cow is considered as a precious one)
...similar incident comes in
mahabharatham also...once keechaka
or kichaka of matsya kingdom(one of the pandyan kingdom matsya-fish)was killed by
bheema(chera)... duryodhana(chera)
decides to attack virata kingdom in
the absence of keechakan(unknowingl­
y keechaka was killed by bheema) so
he captures the cattle field(aanirai
kavardhal) of viradan in the border of matsya country(present kodumudi)
...so viradan(pandiyan) send his son uththara
kumaran to restore cattle field,arjuna
(reason behind chera's bow arrow
flag) the charioter of
uththarakumaran helps him in the war
and uththarakumaran defeats
kauravas and restores the cattle field
(aanirai meettal)...mahabharatha
kings marriage relations wouldbe
mostly between pandiyans and
cheras...krishna's(pandiyan of
madurai and kavadapuram ie dwaraka) sister subhadrai and
durupadhan's(pandiyan of
panchalankurichi) daughter panchali
marrys arjuna(chera)...uththaran's
(pandiyan of kodumudi) sister marrys
abhimanyu(chera)...vaanan's(ch eran) daughter ushai marrys aniruththan(pandyan) the grandson of krishna....

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