Which is the Oldest Indian Language? ...
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#3606 May 25, 2014
U tamil morons, first learn the great indian history and master civilization of indians. It was indians who discovered everything b4 B.C.s and invited to other world. All the world inventions and discoveries were started after 17th&18th centuries. But indians given the base for everything in maths,engineering,astrology,te chnology,medicine,etc.etc.etc. etc.etc.etc.etc.etc. Dont compete india and sanskrit with other child world. If any civilization old as india but not great and master as india in all formats.
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#3607 May 25, 2014
Dont compare mother india,sanskrit with other child nations and languages which are derived from india. Nothing is comparable to the incredible india land of gods. All the central asian,chineese,european invasions to india bcoz india was the powerful land of technology and everything natural resources gold,diamonds etc.etc. india was the most developed and first developed country in every format.
Vinod S

Bangalore, India

#3608 May 25, 2014
Naveen kumar wrote:
Dont compare mother india,sanskrit with other child nations and languages which are derived from india. Nothing is comparable to the incredible india land of gods. All the central asian,chineese,european invasions to india bcoz india was the powerful land of technology and everything natural resources gold,diamonds etc.etc. india was the most developed and first developed country in every format.
We do agree that sanskrit is the beautiful full language, fully composed Coded Language. and at the same time its the toughest language only at the time of Vedic period and when the Script(i.e Devanagari) was given to that language. this topic is about the oldest language. After the origin of the man till the hunting and gathering they were using Single words language to communicate and those most of the Single words are found in the Tamil LAnguage called as "Otrai Sol Ezhuthu" later started to combine the words to form Another word. In tamil there are many words which are the combiantion of several words. And I am sure sanskrit could not be the Language of Origin thus it is Tough coded language. Tamil Scholars too had contributed many to Sanskrit. Sanskrit is the indoeuropean language. sanskrit is the combination of European Language and the Dravidian Language..
Vinod S

Bangalore, India

#3609 May 25, 2014
Naveen kumar wrote:
Dont compare mother india,sanskrit with other child nations and languages which are derived from india. Nothing is comparable to the incredible india land of gods. All the central asian,chineese,european invasions to india bcoz india was the powerful land of technology and everything natural resources gold,diamonds etc.etc. india was the most developed and first developed country in every format.
I am Damn sure that the sanskrit could not be the language of Origin since it is the Toughest Language. this is the fact...
Kosalram

India

#3610 May 26, 2014
Friends,

i heared some of our Sanskrit supporters say that Vedas are written in Sanskrit.

yes they are true.

but whether vedas are saying anything about Paramporul Lord Siva? can any of the Vedic followers can prove that 4 vedas says about Temple, idol sorship, Lord Siva....

but then how can you say it is the language prefered by God. all sanskrit vedas says worship of indra, varuna, and other devas. thats why it is called deva bashai (language)

but tamil language talks about dheivam lord siva. refer out 12 thirumurais, purananooru etc.. thats why tamil is called Dheivathamizh.

first of all sanskrit vedas were only 3. rig - yajur -sama
refer Amarakosam sanskrit dictionary which says "Vedam Thriaye" - which means vedas are three.

later to match with tamil 4 vedas, atharvana veda is added with other three vedas. but the three vedic followers will not accept atharvana veda followers which all brahmins know by themselves.

can any brahmin oppose any of the above points.
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#3611 May 26, 2014
Kosalram wrote:
Friends,
i heared some of our Sanskrit supporters say that Vedas are written in Sanskrit.
yes they are true.
but whether vedas are saying anything about Paramporul Lord Siva? can any of the Vedic followers can prove that 4 vedas says about Temple, idol sorship, Lord Siva....
but then how can you say it is the language prefered by God. all sanskrit vedas says worship of indra, varuna, and other devas. thats why it is called deva bashai (language)
but tamil language talks about dheivam lord siva. refer out 12 thirumurais, purananooru etc.. thats why tamil is called Dheivathamizh.
first of all sanskrit vedas were only 3. rig - yajur -sama
refer Amarakosam sanskrit dictionary which says "Vedam Thriaye" - which means vedas are three.
later to match with tamil 4 vedas, atharvana veda is added with other three vedas. but the three vedic followers will not accept atharvana veda followers which all brahmins know by themselves.
can any brahmin oppose any of the above points.
lord shiva was mentioned in rigveda, all gods indra,vishnu,brahma,shiva,vayu ,agni and thousands of other gods mentioned in vedas
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#3612 May 26, 2014
Sanskrit is originated in india by the vedic tribes and their ancestors might be the indian gods, all the indian people in india are the descendants of vedic tribes. Sanskrit was spoken by all the ancient indians. Later after the population growth in india the people created different languages for easy communication bcoz sanskrit was tough to speak.
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#3613 May 26, 2014
North indian languages r formed after 10th century ad by sanskrit+central asian languages bcoz of hundreds of years of rule from central asian islam people. The fact is present north indian languages r mix of central asian language s+ indegenious sanskrit. Present North indian languages r not pure languages. While sanskrits,prakrits,telugu,tami l,kannada,malayalam are pure native languages
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#3614 May 26, 2014
the very first ancient language of india is sanskrit which originated by early indians followed by prakrits spoken between 1200 b.c. To 400 b.c. . Prakrit languages r daughter languages of sanskrit. Later the independent languages evolved in south india from the sanskrit base like telugu,and tamil afterthat kannada and malayalam were derived. South indians used to speak these languages and developed them. At the same time north indians used to speak the sanskrit. After the invasions of central asians to north india at 800 a.d. and by their rule sanskrit was influenced by central asian languages, now the north indian languages r sanskrit,arab,persian,etc derivative languages

Since: May 14

India

#3615 May 26, 2014
Naveen kumar wrote:
<quoted text> Actually there was no tamilnadu in ancient india. Most of the south india was covered with forest. The indians or vedic tribes originated in north india later migrated and settled in south, the word dravida, trivid,trivida, travida, dravida is a sanskrit word, majority of indians except islam belong to vedic tribes and their descendants.
Most of the south India was covered by forest? Yes.. not only South India but most of India. Deforestation was minimal back then ;)

Archaeological evidences:

The fishermen of modern Poompuhar in Tamil Nadu has discovered some structures beneath sea 5 KM off the coast which are hindering and tangling their fishing nets. This attracted Graham Hancock the famous British writer and journalist to Tamil Nadu to dive and find what is beneath the sea and they have discovered a giant 'U' shaped structure 70 feet below the sea level. S.R.Rao from NIO department acknowledged that they were built on land once upon a time and eventually they got sunken by the flooding of sea.

There are also several other structures found using sonar aroud this region which are about 100 feet deep.

These findings are deeper then Dwaraka. While Dwaraka was just 7500 BC the lost city of Poompuhar was submerged around 9500 BC which is 11500 years ago!! This is during the end of ice age and the Second Cankam took about around this time.

Mr. Hancock was very surprised how this very ancient site was ignored by the Indian government. He has mentioned all these in his website in detailed way. Please read them if you have any doubt in my writing.

Dear Mr. Naveen, only one thing can answer you doubts. Ask the NIO to fund the onceanic archaeological research off the coast of Tamil Nadu and the truth will be out gradually. The Tamil heritage has been purposely covered up by the Indian Government by neglecting these underwater findings, also the media refused to publish this truth in a press meet held at Bangalore years ago because they could not accept that a civilization existed before Dwaraka which is more powerful and most importantly a Madrasi/Dravidan/Tamil civilization.

Who is jealous here Mr.Naveen? Ask these to Indian government. Dare to uncover the Kumari secrets? Dare to perform reasearch underwater off the coast of Tamil Nadu??

Communal evidences:

It is in this lost city of Poompuhar the Legend of Kannagi resides. Kannagi, is again a Chettiar thus it is proved that the Chettiars are ancient group of people who originated in the Kumari Kandam. Poompuhar is a city of northern Kumari Kandam.

The chettiars -> Banias/Vaniyas are classified mostly as Vaishyas in the Hindu caste system but again in many places the Banias are classified as Shudras. If Chettiars are really of Sanskrit Vedic origin then why are there confusions among the people?

The answer is Chettiars are not sanskrit origin, and thy do not belong in the 4 varna classification. They are tribals of Kumari and later as they spread across India the Sanskrit scholars tried to fit them into Varna and hence the confusion previals even now.

The Chettiar claim a legendary relationship with the Hindu god Murugan. Legend has it that when Murugan married Valli, who was from a tribal group in Tamil Nadu, her society were henceforth called Chettiyars in order to restore Valli's status as a god's consort.

Chettiars are of Tamil origin and Tamil has been there since time immemorial.
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#3616 May 26, 2014
Neelakaran wrote:
<quoted text>
Most of the south India was covered by forest? Yes.. not only South India but most of India. Deforestation was minimal back then ;)
Archaeological evidences:
The fishermen of modern Poompuhar in Tamil Nadu has discovered some structures beneath sea 5 KM off the coast which are hindering and tangling their fishing nets. This attracted Graham Hancock the famous British writer and journalist to Tamil Nadu to dive and find what is beneath the sea and they have discovered a giant 'U' shaped structure 70 feet below the sea level. S.R.Rao from NIO department acknowledged that they were built on land once upon a time and eventually they got sunken by the flooding of sea.
There are also several other structures found using sonar aroud this region which are about 100 feet deep.
These findings are deeper then Dwaraka. While Dwaraka was just 7500 BC the lost city of Poompuhar was submerged around 9500 BC which is 11500 years ago!! This is during the end of ice age and the Second Cankam took about around this time.
Mr. Hancock was very surprised how this very ancient site was ignored by the Indian government. He has mentioned all these in his website in detailed way. Please read them if you have any doubt in my writing.
Dear Mr. Naveen, only one thing can answer you doubts. Ask the NIO to fund the onceanic archaeological research off the coast of Tamil Nadu and the truth will be out gradually. The Tamil heritage has been purposely covered up by the Indian Government by neglecting these underwater findings, also the media refused to publish this truth in a press meet held at Bangalore years ago because they could not accept that a civilization existed before Dwaraka which is more powerful and most importantly a Madrasi/Dravidan/Tamil civilization.
Who is jealous here Mr.Naveen? Ask these to Indian government. Dare to uncover the Kumari secrets? Dare to perform reasearch underwater off the coast of Tamil Nadu??
Communal evidences:
It is in this lost city of Poompuhar the Legend of Kannagi resides. Kannagi, is again a Chettiar thus it is proved that the Chettiars are ancient group of people who originated in the Kumari Kandam. Poompuhar is a city of northern Kumari Kandam.
The chettiars -> Banias/Vaniyas are classified mostly as Vaishyas in the Hindu caste system but again in many places the Banias are classified as Shudras. If Chettiars are really of Sanskrit Vedic origin then why are there confusions among the people?
The answer is Chettiars are not sanskrit origin, and thy do not belong in the 4 varna classification. They are tribals of Kumari and later as they spread across India the Sanskrit scholars tried to fit them into Varna and hence the confusion previals even now.
The Chettiar claim a legendary relationship with the Hindu god Murugan. Legend has it that when Murugan married Valli, who was from a tribal group in Tamil Nadu, her society were henceforth called Chettiyars in order to restore Valli's status as a god's consort.
Chettiars are of Tamil origin and Tamil has been there since time immemorial.
Atleast create ur own state history b4 dreaming, tamilnadu was formed,ruled and leading by non tamils
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#3617 May 26, 2014
Nobody knows about the languages,civilization of the sunken cities of the world
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#3618 May 26, 2014
Chettiar is a caste but not a tribe. Tamilnadu was formed by ancient north indian people from north india and north west india, b4 the migration of chola,chera,pandya to southindia there was a tribe existetd called andhras, ancient south india was covered by andhras there was no tamil and tamil tribes existed at that time, tamil tribes belong to chola,pandya,chera kingdoms of north india. Tamil and tamilnadu 300 b.c.
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#3619 May 26, 2014
The actual tamil tribals in tamilnadu are from srilanka, tamil language was derived from sinhala, when they settled in south india the ancient tamil regions are covered by telugu speakers and tamil was influenced by indigenious telugu language, later after the migration of agasthya,sidhars from north they composed gramer in tamil from vedic basics like yogam,gnanam etc... After that kannada and malayalam share same linguistics similiar to tamil
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#3620 May 26, 2014
Tamilnadu was formed by the ancient people from north and north westindia like chola,chera and pandyas. Some tamilnadu was formed by sinhaleese, b4 the settlement of these sinhalese the deep south regions r covered by andhra tribes, medieval tn was mix of 42% of telugus, pallava comunity from andhra kings, tamil and tamilnadu is not at all oldest, tamil and tamilnadu b.c. 300 that too formed by different comunities of indian sub continent

Since: May 14

Chennai, India

#3621 May 26, 2014
Naveen kumar wrote:
Tamilnadu was formed by the ancient people from north and north westindia like chola,chera and pandyas. Some tamilnadu was formed by sinhaleese, b4 the settlement of these sinhalese the deep south regions r covered by andhra tribes, medieval tn was mix of 42% of telugus, pallava comunity from andhra kings, tamil and tamilnadu is not at all oldest, tamil and tamilnadu b.c. 300 that too formed by different comunities of indian sub continent
Ha ha...
Every time we find new proofs u get stuck with the same old dialogue of yours..
Just because you repeat things it doesn't mean they are true...
Let's wait and see the Poompuhar extraction...

Since: May 14

Chennai, India

#3622 May 26, 2014
And Hearty wishes to Narendra Modi... Nation expects a good work from you..
Kosalram

India

#3623 May 26, 2014
Naveen kumar wrote:
<quoted text> lord shiva was mentioned in rigveda, all gods indra,vishnu,brahma,shiva,vayu ,agni and thousands of other gods mentioned in vedas
Fine...

if thats true then let us know which part of Rig veda says about that. can you mention the hymn, in which mandal the verses for lord Siva is coming.

lets talk with proofs and not just by assumptions. because i have rig veda in Tamil traslated by M.R.Jambunathan, a brahmin. It even says killing of horses, goats and cows for doing Homas and Velvis.

so come with the exact verses where Rig Veda praises lord Siva when compared to our Tamil 12 Thirumurais which are purely intended for the paramporul alone and not for small gods and devas.
Kosalram

India

#3624 May 26, 2014
Naveen kumar wrote:
<quoted text> Atleast create ur own state history b4 dreaming, tamilnadu was formed,ruled and leading by non tamils
Hi My dear friend

what my friend says is not dream.
Tamilnadu was formed ruled and leading by non tamils is a general statement.

and whenever you try to oppose anything in a public forum kindly oppose with strong evidence. dont just keep on give your own ideas.

if you are storng enough of tamils history then ATLEAST you have to read our Purananooru, 12 Thirumurai. I am reading All four sanskrit Vedas and traslated Agamas and i know what is inside Vedas. thats why i am saying confidently.

so my kind advice is not to just comment of your own. you have to read above said two books, then come with quotes and sayings from those books on the history of Tamilnadu.

until then you cannot comment on our history please...
Kosalram

India

#3625 May 26, 2014
Naveen kumar wrote:
Nobody knows about the languages,civilization of the sunken cities of the world
Again my Friend,

how can you say nobody knows about the sunken civilization of kumarikandam and lemuria.

buddy, from today onwards, stop giving general statements.

even Bible and Quran are saying the Tsunamis came in kumarikandam and lemuria.

Ok. if you are not interested to read Tamil books, then read "Riddles of Three Oceans" written by Alexander Konthrodov where he clearly mentions about the above said "Language and civilization of the Sunken cities" of Lemuria.

So while talking history, we should not pour our thoughts. we should go with strong evidences. otherwise we cannot conclude the topic - Oldest Indian language, Tamil or sanskrit.

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