Which is the Oldest Indian Language? ...
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#3542 May 14, 2014
There is only onething to say about tamilnadu, TAMIL & TAMILNADU IS 100% FAKE
Sai Geetha

Dubai, UAE

#3543 May 14, 2014
Naveen kumar wrote:
Tamilnadu only 300 b.c. Tamilnadu is fake formed by andhras and north indians. No history for tamil and tamilnadu b4 300 b.c.
Truth never fails....FACT IS TAMIL IS THE OLDEST INDIAN CLASSICAL LANGUAGE ( LITERAYURE , SCRIPT , GRAMMAR & CULTURE )

Tamil is the oldest living language in the world. sangam literature, the oldest surviving extant of literature are in Tamil. Tolkappium, the oldest grammer book dates between 400 B.C to 5 B.C and points out the existence of several sangam literature ancient to it (would have got destroyed due to floods etc.). The language of the Indus valley civilization was found to be the proto-dravidian (i.e. Tamil). Brahui, the remnant of Indus valley civilization language spoken in Balochistan, Pakistan has strong connections with Tamil. The origin of Tamil is unknown but the text Tolkappiun belongs to the medieval sangam period (Idai sangam) and therefore the first sangam (Mudhal sangam) would have held hundreds of years before the Idai Sangam.

Tamil was the mother of all dravidian languages and Sanskrit and a major contributor for sumerian, Arabic, chinese, Greek and latin languages.

Like, Maniketis (Greek - wrist)-'Manikattu'(wrist)
Terra (Latin for earth)-'tharrai'(earth or land surface)
Catamaran (english for a type of boat)-'Kattumaram'(boat)
Rice (English)-'Arisi'(rice in Tamil)
Kefali (Greek-head)-'Kapaalum'(skull)

The popular view that "Tamil is derived from Sanskrit" is a blatant lie spread during medieval period to glorify sanskrit. Sanskrit was formulated as "Sankatham" in Kanchipuram, Tamilnadu from Tamil and Prakrit. Not many know the fact that most of the sanskrit words have roots in Tamil like

Shiva - from 'Sivan', a modified form of Sivandavan (meaniing red in colour)
Pooja -'Poo + Sei'(to offer flower)
Jala - from 'sala sala'(Irattai kilavi group of terms in Tamil grammer
Indra -'In + Irai'(In- Inbam (joy), Irai(God), God of Joy)
Veda - Veidhal (to pave)
Brahma -'paraman'.the root is 'para', all pervasive
Krishna - Karuttanan > Kruttanan > Krushnan > Krishnan > Krishna (dark in colour)
Vid (Knowledge)-'viddhu' meaning sead

Likewise, if we analyse, most of the sanskrit terms would boil down to one to more tamil terms. The first inscriptions in sanskrit date to 110 A.D whereas the Adichanallur inscriptions date back to 500 B.C.

Likewise, there are umpteen evidences to prove that Tamil is the oldest surving language in the world.
human

Chennai, India

#3544 May 15, 2014
to know the truth of evolution of language and the truth abt gods see the videos of Tamil Chinthanaiyalar Peravai in youtube. you will get the answers with proof.
ram

Kuwait, Kuwait

#3545 May 15, 2014
is proved by lot of Scientist and also accepted by most of the scientists.
Before Aryans(Sanskrit) comes to India, Dravidian(Tamil) people living in Indai with high standard. Even Aryans don't have any specific language when they comes to India. They develop their language after comes to India only. There is lot of Tamil words in Sanskrit.

Ref:

ca. 200,000 to 50,000 BC: Evolution of "the Tamilian or Homo Dravida",
ca. 200,000 to 100,000 BC: Beginnings of the Tamil language
50,000 BC: Kumari Kand am civilization
20,000 BC: A lost Tamil culture of the Easter Island which had an advanced civilization
16,000 BC: Lemuria submerged
6087 BC: Second Tamil Sangam established by a Pandya king
3031 BC: A Chera prince in his wanderings in the Solomon Island saw wild sugarcane and started cultivation in Kumari Kand am.
1780 BC: The Third Tamil Sangam established by a Pandya king
7th century BC: Tolkappiyam (the earliest known extant Tamil grammar)
ram

Kuwait, Kuwait

#3546 May 15, 2014
The Tolkāppiyam (தொ&#2 994;்க ாப&#30 21;பி& #2991;ம் in Tamil) is a work on the grammar of the Tamil language. Written in the form of poems(or short hymns), around 200 BC by Tolkāppiyar, is said to be the world's oldest surviving grammar for any language.
All the words, poems and literature that came in Tamil language after that followed the grammar as explained by Tolkāppiyam. The name Tolkāppiyam can be split as Tolkāppiyam = Tonmai + kāppiyam. Tonmai means archeologically old and Kappiam is a literature master piece or epic.
Over the centuries, many books came interpreting and clarifying Tolkāppiyam. Some of which where the ones written by "Ilampooranar", "Deivachilaiyaaar", "Natchinaarciniyar" etc. They were called as "Urai-asiriyargal"or equivalently explanatory commentators.These commentators explained Tolkāppiyam in their own view and expressed their opinions on the subjects dealt by Tolkāppiyam, in their own times. Many grammar works came in Tamil after Tolkāppiyam, based on that.However,One that is most popular and used in place of Tolkāppiyam now is "Nannūl" written by "Pavananti Munivar".
The Tolkāppiyam classifies the Tamil language into "senthamil" and "kotunthamil". The former refers to the classical Tamil used exclusively in literary works and the latter refers to the colloquial Tamil, spoken by the people. The book is based on the analysis of both spoken and written Tamil.
Tamizhan

Tirunelveli, India

#3548 May 17, 2014
Naveen kumar wrote:
<quoted text> Actually its ur tamil asses r burning by seeing the facts which provided by me, u tamils cant digest the facts and screaming after knowing the history of fake tamilnadu, powerful politicians in tn are telugus, famous people in tn are telugus, kings of tn are telugus, temples of tn were builted by telugus, u tamils r brain less fools, even early tamilnadu kingdoms chola,pandya, chera belong to north india. Historyless beggars screaming for fake identity which dont deserve u. Thu.... Fake bastards, i feel vomiting when iam arguing with the fake stupids who depends on others from history to till now, and belong to fake state called tamilnadu(fakenadu, shitnadu,crapnadu). Infact malayalis r much talented than fake brainless tamil morons. Till now tamilnadu had some fame bcoz of telugu origins
Hey brainless Golti where is the proof, something u barked that u have shown proof. where is that? U guys are equal pig shit Golti Fellows
Ram

Hyderabad, India

#3550 May 17, 2014
i am from hyderabad, and i believe tamil was only a spoken language, there were no scripts for them, but tamil and sanskrit florished at the same time. may be sanskrit a bit early since they managed to make their own script.
During kings rule there were many philosophers and writers in the kingdom, so each kingdom managed to get their own scripts from sanskrit as base. Telugu was split from Proto-Dravidian languages between 1500–1000 BC(source-http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Telugu_language) and at the same time time (maybe much earlier) tamil began to make its round scripts.(before that tamil was a language derived from nature they are mostly sounds of birds and animals- in much understanding way)

Since: May 14

India

#3551 May 17, 2014
human wrote:
to know the truth of evolution of language and the truth abt gods see the videos of Tamil Chinthanaiyalar Peravai in youtube. you will get the answers with proof.
This is a nice recommendation. But I warn the viewers that these videos will have many information which will be new and contrary to what we think our nature/culture are. It may attack our opinions. Only open minded persons should watch these brilliant video series.

The present culture we follow has very great influence of the Western lands. It all started in the Victorian age when the East India Company was established. The Westerners slowly transformed Indians. They have handled many ways, techniques to erase the Indians' way of living, they erased our identity, rewrote it with their teachings and made us take up a corrupted blend of Euro-Indian culture which we are following right now and finally made us to be ashamed of being Indians. Day after day we can see the Indian traces of our culture is getting eroded in faster pace.

Only a true seeker of reality will find these videos useful.

Again, there are even larger amount of truth hidden and waiting to be uncovered about the real Indians. Hopefully someday it will be out.

Can you believe that the current political trend in India (corruption) has grown like a tree because of a seed which was planted by the westerners two hundred years ago?

They started with the cows.. and then the men...

Indians are good people. They don't realize it yet...
ram

Hyderabad, India

#3552 May 17, 2014
Neelakaran: i think u didnt understand what we are talking about!!
ponnuswamy

Sirohi, India

#3553 May 18, 2014
Thamiz Madhuram wrote:
The only reason that Tamil is oplder than sanskrit is Tamil is the language od God Maha Vishnu.
The Tamil Azhwars sung Hymns in praise of the lord Vishnu in 106 Temples in the world (one in Nepal the rest in India including only 8 in North India)
Can anybody prove that the Hymns, 4000 Paasurams (Naalayira Divyapirabandham) were written in sanskrit and not in Tamil?
Verify with the Divyadesams in the North India (that too I have to tell where and what are those) Badrinath, Dwaraka, Mathura,..... in what language the hymns were sung called as Mangalasasanam (in Tamil)
tamil,which is the oldest language in the world was orginated from the mouth of first man in the world naturally . sanskrit has sufficient proofs to declare that it is the oldest language in the world ,but tamil due to its oldness it lost its many proofs andit does not belong to any religion .tamil people have worshiped nature has their god,after the entry of aryans ,tamil people began to worship those gods
ponnuswamy

Sirohi, India

#3554 May 18, 2014
Vidyuth patibandala wrote:
<quoted text>
You stupid person , Sanskrit is known all over the world . The vedas , the upanishads are known world wide and are even appreciated by the likes of ALbert Einstein and thomas alva edinson . YOu can you even think of comparing a language like sanskrit to tamil ??!!! Im sure most of the forgeingers dont even know what is tamil let alone appreciate it. But Sanskrit is popular world wide
And also it is the principal Language of THREE religions ... Hinduism , Buddhism , Jainism !! WHAT IS TAMIL???
According to Linguist Sir william jones The Sanskrit language, whatever be its antiquity, is of a wonderful structure; more perfect than the Greek, more copious than the Latin, and more exquisitely refined than either.
Its Influence even reaches Thailand , Cambodia Etc In these far east nations Sanskrit is very much respected . Even the national Airport of Thailand in Bangkok is named in Sanskrit (suvarnabhoomi)
n terms of worldwide cultural importance, Edward Sapir in Language quoted that
" There are just five languages that have had overwhelming significance as carriers of culture. These are classical Chinese, Sanskrit, Arabic, Greek, and Latin. In comparison with these, all other languages sink into a secondary position."
And it has also been proposed that Sanskrit is the perfect language to operate computer systems.
And the list goes on and on .... So think before talking of sanskrit next time GOT IT!!!
you clever person tami;l does not belong to any religion ,tamil people have worshiped nature as their god .after the entryof aryans they converted as hindus. just one explanation is enough to declare tamil as the oldest language in the world.every language in the world has pronunciation 'sha,shi,shri,iiiss,'. all the languages that you have mentioned and not mentioned have those pronunciation,but tamil doesnt have such lazy worlds.

Since: May 14

Mumbai, India

#3555 May 18, 2014
ram wrote:
Neelakaran: i think u didnt understand what we are talking about!!
No Ram! I am on track. Please watch those videos and then you will understand what I am talking about.
Kosalram

India

#3556 May 18, 2014
Hi Guys,

Hope you all agree that Tamil and Tamilians are the people who existed before Aryans. we have lot of historical proofs for that.
one of them is the book written by Alexander Konthrodov - "THE RIDDLES OF THREE OCEANS". Those who want more proof, kindly read this book.

ok fine.

what about the rituals we do in our day to day life in Temples and functions like marriage, house warming, etc...

It was done in Dheivathmizh only. after the pallavas entered Tamilnadu they brought all brahmins and their language to Tamilnadu. the language of king became the language of people. Brahmins made use of this and started doing all rituals in their language.

comments pls...

more to share.
Tamil Vs Sanskrit

Dubai, UAE

#3557 May 20, 2014
Ram wrote:
i am from hyderabad, and i believe tamil was only a spoken language, there were no scripts for them, but tamil and sanskrit florished at the same time. may be sanskrit a bit early since they managed to make their own script.
During kings rule there were many philosophers and writers in the kingdom, so each kingdom managed to get their own scripts from sanskrit as base. Telugu was split from Proto-Dravidian languages between 1500–1000 BC(source-http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Telugu_language) and at the same time time (maybe much earlier) tamil began to make its round scripts.(before that tamil was a language derived from nature they are mostly sounds of birds and animals- in much understanding way)
Tamil and Sanskrit both were spoken in INDIA. But Sanskrit was spoken only by Brahmins. Because Brahmins are only eligible to enter near to god in those days. They use Sanskrit to worship the god. They said Sanskrit is the only language they use to speak with god. So they didn’t teach Sanskrit to other peoples who are not Brahmins. It causes huge damage to Sanskrit, now Brahmins only know this. That too they know only the Mantras to worship the god. Tamil also is in INDIA only. Tamil was the official language of Tamil Nadu (South Most State in INDIA). While comparing to other language in the world Tamil had the Grammar First. Tamil is the first & foremost language which gets Grammar. Thirukkural is a classic of couplets, it was authored by Thiruvalluvar. Thiruvalluvar's year of birth has been fixed as 31-32 BC. Still Thirukkural it is been read & followed by most of the people in all part of the world. It is common to all peoples & religions. Its origin is Tamil. Thirukkural is written with pure Grammar.
You know about cow, it is the friendliest animal to human & also it is the first friendly animal to human. Ever one may heard the sound of cow, it will sound like AMMAA. In Tamil peoples will call their mother as AMMA. The word AMMA has Grammar meaning. In INDIA ladies only will take care of cows. When the cow sounds, ladies will thought the cow was calling her. Still the ladies in INDIA believe that. This is example to know how Tamil where used. So Tamil is the first language of the world.
TAMILKELVAN

Bangalore, India

#3558 May 20, 2014
The Indian historians are so much obsessed that they never venture into other histories. Today I read an article about Iranian Religion. I was startled to find that DASA actually refers to DAHEI (S IN SANSKRIT BECAMES H IN AVESTA) and they were an Iranian tribe constant war with Acchaemenians.It has been known to the entire world including Herodotus It never meant slave. Further a word in Sanskrit which does not have root is not Sanskrit. For example Brahman means many things--big, one who knows truth Brahmin and so on. Kshatriya means the protector Vaishya means having wealth. But Shudra and Casa don't have roots. They are not Sanskrit. Gangs king Prithvipathi II friend of Aditya was known as Bill up era it at an a Perumanadairaiyar Translating it into into Sanskrit this is Brahmathiraja different from Brahma Maraya which is applicable only to Brahmins while the former denotes foremost. Thus Arya/Casa is a non starter. The Jain chronicles never refer to Arya. However the Arya/Dasa became prominent only during Buddhistic era since Buddhistic preachers proclaimed conversion of Anarya Brahmins to Aryas. Hence RYA/Tamil controversy is the most stupid one
Dharmaputra

Ashburn, VA

#3562 May 23, 2014
Dharmaputra

Ashburn, VA

#3563 May 23, 2014
Aryan is not a race. The genius person of ancient india was called as ARYA not all the people called as arya . Only the intelligent people,great wariors called as arya. ARYA means a honour word means noble. The present afghanistans,pakistanis r not indians. They r musilims invaded those parts and esablished their cultures and named that places. These places comes under ancient india called bharatavarsha. Ancient India philosophers migrated to iran and europe to spread their teachings and culture. Zoroastrians and Jews r the descendants of ancient indian philosophers migrated to central asia. Zoroastrianism and judaism was established there. Jesus christ was a jew after the death of jesus christ the followers of jesus estd a religion called christianity. Islam is the offshoot of judaism and christianity founded at 600 a.d. Most of the ancient world religions,languages were derived from india and spread by indians. INDIA IS THE LAND OF GODS AND INDIA IS INCREDIBLE.
Dharmaputra

Ashburn, VA

#3564 May 23, 2014
ARYAN is not a race. Aryan a word not mentioned in any historical book, ARYA a word from sanskrit means noble. Read here about the ancient indian history from the proofs of ancient european literatures http://www.hermetics.org/Abraham2.html
Dharmaputra

Ashburn, VA

#3565 May 23, 2014
sanskrit literatures r the most ancient and most powerful literatures in the world. It mentions about the early civilization of world and indian people. Sanskrit vedas are many times powerful than bible. My previous link from the proofs of ancient european literatures clearly stated that jews r descendants of indians. We indians gave everything to the world like science,technology,astronomy,a strology,martial arts,medicine,yoga,etc...etc.. .. Its muller and nazi spread wrong info about the word ARYA. Again Aryan is not a race mind it. Most of the ancient world was derived from the GREATER INCREDIBLE INDIA.
Dharmaputra

Ashburn, VA

#3566 May 23, 2014
Not only zoroastrians and jews, islam at central asia has their origin from ancient indians https://en-gb.facebook.com/sanatanbrahmin/pos...

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