Which is the Oldest Indian Language? ...
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#3374 May 2, 2014
tamil wrote:
<quoted text>No one says dravidian language is only tamil. this topic about tamil vs sanskrit, there are 2 types of language in india, sanskrit and proto dravidian that includes tamil, telegu, kannada. if dravidian language is fake theory so does your telegu. and the difference between tamil and telegu is telegu splits under influence of sanskrit and prakrit. whereas tamil is directly decend of proto language. tamil doest have too much sanskrit influence its known fact.
dravidian language theory is fake. Telugu and sanskrit both are andhra languages spoken at different periods in ap, telugu is the another version from andhras the languages spoken by andhras b4 telugu r sanskrit later prakrit at 800 b.c(ashmaka). Next telugu b4 400 b.c. Tamilnadu history 300 b.c. Formed by north indians. Telugu and tamil both r diferent languages but called it as dravidian languages, tamil,kannada,malayalam are same and diferent than telugu. why telugu is influenced by sanskrit and prakrit bcoz those r early andhra languages, why tamil not influenced by that bcoz there was no tamilnadu b4 300 b.c. Tamil was created by agasthya and sidhars with some native telugu influence and sanskrit . Tamil gramer was writen by north indians. The native tamils r the descendants of andhra tribes and there were no tamils b4 300 b.c.
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#3375 May 2, 2014
tamil wrote:
<quoted text> so you now accept tamil is oldest language? lol sidhars are not brahmins, they worship shiva, they dont wear that thread, and jain is religion not a clan or group or language, what you say is like all muslim in india are pakistani. jains are tamil people who embrace jainism thats why they could write a great text in tamil. example tholkappikam. dont get confused with religion and language. religion keeps changing from time to time. we worship nature,buddha,jain,shaivam, vainavam, now we are hindus, muslims chirstains etc. and people in unesco are not fools they have guide lines to say oldest language, they dont simply say tamil is oldest language. they did their research.
sidhars r north indian velir people, sangam gramer was writen by jains of north india. They are the origins of north india. Sangam gramer was writen by north indian jains not tamils
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#3376 May 2, 2014
Tamil and tamilnadu is fake. No own history totally tamilnadu history was created by north indians and andhras its 100% fact.
tamil

Chennai, India

#3377 May 2, 2014
Naveen kumar wrote:
<quoted text> sidhars r north indian velir people, sangam gramer was writen by jains of north india. They are the origins of north india. Sangam gramer was writen by north indian jains not tamils
so you gonna start again? lol jain is not people its religion and sidhar are sages you dont need to be a north india to became a sage or embrace jainism. why should a north indian have to write in tamil. when they have sanskrit, when they cant write in their mother language how they can write in tamil, speak with some common sense
tamil

Chennai, India

#3379 May 2, 2014
Naveen kumar wrote:
<quoted text> dravidian language theory is fake. Telugu and sanskrit both are andhra languages spoken at different periods in ap, telugu is the another version from andhras the languages spoken by andhras b4 telugu r sanskrit later prakrit at 800 b.c(ashmaka). Next telugu b4 400 b.c. Tamilnadu history 300 b.c. Formed by north indians. Telugu and tamil both r diferent languages but called it as dravidian languages, tamil,kannada,malayalam are same and diferent than telugu. why telugu is influenced by sanskrit and prakrit bcoz those r early andhra languages, why tamil not influenced by that bcoz there was no tamilnadu b4 300 b.c. Tamil was created by agasthya and sidhars with some native telugu influence and sanskrit . Tamil gramer was writen by north indians. The native tamils r the descendants of andhra tribes and there were no tamils b4 300 b.c.
go say this to a north indian, they dont even consider telegu as sankrit language family, telegu is a part of non sanskritized language family ie dravidian language. telegu have sanskrit influence because constant invansion and trade from north.if you telegu want to be part of sanskrit and north indian go ahead. but tamils wont they know their language and culture. be a slave but dont ask us to be slaves
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#3380 May 2, 2014
tamil wrote:
<quoted text>go say this to a north indian, they dont even consider telegu as sankrit language family, telegu is a part of non sanskritized language family ie dravidian language. telegu have sanskrit influence because constant invansion and trade from north.if you telegu want to be part of sanskrit and north indian go ahead. but tamils wont they know their language and culture. be a slave but dont ask us to be slaves
yes absolutely u tamils are lived as slaves under north indian empires of early cholas,pandya and cheras, u lived as slaves under medieval cholas who were chalukyas/rajputs of north india. U tamils lived as slaves under andhra kingdoms like pallavas and nayaks. Single kingdom in tamilnadu wont belong to native tamils. Even ur entire tamilnadu is ruling by the non-tamils bcoz u tamils r brainless. Tamils r only language fanatics with fantasy imaginations. u tamils r living as slaves under them. Ur present cm and governor r non tamils. Ur cinema superstar is a non tamils. U fools r popular in building temple to actress and praying them. This shows how genius r tamils and who r slaves under whom.
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#3381 May 2, 2014
tamil wrote:
<quoted text>go say this to a north indian, they dont even consider telegu as sankrit language family, telegu is a part of non sanskritized language family ie dravidian language. telegu have sanskrit influence because constant invansion and trade from north.if you telegu want to be part of sanskrit and north indian go ahead. but tamils wont they know their language and culture. be a slave but dont ask us to be slaves
who told u sanskrit a north indian language. Sanskrit was spoken in the whole ancient india. Poets,saints, etc... From whole india contributed to sanskrit literature. Early indian epic sanskrit ramayana was writen by valmiki who was born in andhrapradesh. Not only from him, many andhra poets contributed to sanskrit literature upto 10th century a.d. Prakrit was the another language of ap spoken in ashmaka kingdom of AP we have punchmarked coins of ashmaka kingdom of 700 b.c.. The capital city of ashmaka bodhan(bhahudanyapuram) city of grains. In the dist of indrapuram(nizamabad). Telugu and prakrit r the daughters of sanskrit. These languages belong to andhras. But tamil and tamilnadu history 300 b.c. No tamil and tamilregion b4 300 b.c. Andhras r the ancestors. Another thing is no body and no other states r better than telugus in culture and traditions.
Vinod S

Bangalore, India

#3383 May 2, 2014
Naveen kumar wrote:
<quoted text> yes absolutely u tamils are lived as slaves under north indian empires of early cholas,pandya and cheras, u lived as slaves under medieval cholas who were chalukyas/rajputs of north india. U tamils lived as slaves under andhra kingdoms like pallavas and nayaks. Single kingdom in tamilnadu wont belong to native tamils. Even ur entire tamilnadu is ruling by the non-tamils bcoz u tamils r brainless. Tamils r only language fanatics with fantasy imaginations. u tamils r living as slaves under them. Ur present cm and governor r non tamils. Ur cinema superstar is a non tamils. U fools r popular in building temple to actress and praying them. This shows how genius r tamils and who r slaves under whom.
At the time of pallavas there was no language called telugu it was only Tamil and sanskrit and it it nowhere mentioned that telugu was spoken at that time. you people are the cross breeds of Mughals, Tamils, Rajputs, Most of the telugus are barbers, goltis, thotis, and devadasis(Used for entertainment by Tamils, Rajputs and Mughals etc) that is why telugu people breeded like flies. one thing you have to take to your empty brain is that the CMs and politicians are not our leader, they are the govt servent and are elected by people to serve.in this topic u fcking pull the cinemas why? they are just for time pass and for the entertainment. note:even monkeys dancing on the street entertain us.. monkeys entertainment is far more better than your telugu movies. none of the temples in tn are built by Nayaks and these nayaks were called for erection work for Madurai meenatchi and many have contributed for the construction of the temple including Thevars and Nayakas and the credit goes to the tamil king Kulasekara Pandian who actually built the temple. Nayakas are actually Kannada and Krishnadevaraya is a Mangalorean and belongs to Tuluva community where are your telugus here.. you people too built the temple for an italian and offered the prayer.and iam sure Temple for Chidambaram and Veerapa moili will be built in your land.ah ah ah ah we are very proud that the tamilian is also responsible for andra separation.when we have very rich and great literatures and you telugu is yesterdays language with no literatures. and script borrowed from Kannada and the language is the combination of Tamil, Sanskrit and Arabic and hindi etc etc.. thats telugu...
Neelakaran

Bangalore, India

#3384 May 2, 2014
Naveen kumar wrote:
<quoted text> who told u sanskrit a north indian language. Sanskrit was spoken in the whole ancient india. Poets,saints, etc... From whole india contributed to sanskrit literature. Early indian epic sanskrit ramayana was writen by valmiki who was born in andhrapradesh. Not only from him, many andhra poets contributed to sanskrit literature upto 10th century a.d. Prakrit was the another language of ap spoken in ashmaka kingdom of AP we have punchmarked coins of ashmaka kingdom of 700 b.c.. The capital city of ashmaka bodhan(bhahudanyapuram) city of grains. In the dist of indrapuram(nizamabad). Telugu and prakrit r the daughters of sanskrit. These languages belong to andhras. But tamil and tamilnadu history 300 b.c. No tamil and tamilregion b4 300 b.c. Andhras r the ancestors. Another thing is no body and no other states r better than telugus in culture and traditions.
What do you mean by the above comment -> "Telugu and prakrit r the daughters of sanskrit."

Oh boy! Are you saying that Telugu is an offshoot of Sanskrit??

So this means, Sanskrti is older than Telugu!!!

Finally you have accepted that Telugu is not the oldest language and it is a much younger language came from Sanskrit.

BTW, I have been so far defending Tamil but I never attacked Telugu. Have you noticed it?

Now things are going to get changed.

* Telugu grammar is called Vyakaranam. The first treatise on Telugu grammar, the "Andhra Shabda Chintamani" was written in Sanskrit by Nannayya, who was considered first poet and translator of Telugu in the 11th century A.D.

Quick points to notice:
1. First Telugu Grammar was written in Sanskrit but First Tamil grammar was written in Tamil.
2. First Tamil grammer was written at least 1000 years before first Telugu grammar was written.

Conclusion:
Yes, as you said in your comment Telugu is indeed daughter language of Sanskrit hence it can never be the oldest language. So, at least from now stop talking about Telugu and lets discuss the actual topic of this thread-> Sanskrit Vs. Tamil , which is the oldest...
Uday

Bangalore, India

#3385 May 2, 2014
Wikipedia is referred by thousands of people in single day in Wikipedia Sanskrit is categorized under Indo European langauge. Even in Britannica India Sanskrit is stated as European langauge. If anyone feels information in Wiki is false and if they have proofs for their claims they should start Editing Wikis . No use writing here not even ten people will read
tamil

Chennai, India

#3386 May 2, 2014
Naveen kumar wrote:
<quoted text> who told u sanskrit a north indian language. Sanskrit was spoken in the whole ancient india. Poets,saints, etc... From whole india contributed to sanskrit literature. Early indian epic sanskrit ramayana was writen by valmiki who was born in andhrapradesh. Not only from him, many andhra poets contributed to sanskrit literature upto 10th century a.d. Prakrit was the another language of ap spoken in ashmaka kingdom of AP we have punchmarked coins of ashmaka kingdom of 700 b.c.. The capital city of ashmaka bodhan(bhahudanyapuram) city of grains. In the dist of indrapuram(nizamabad). Telugu and prakrit r the daughters of sanskrit. These languages belong to andhras. But tamil and tamilnadu history 300 b.c. No tamil and tamilregion b4 300 b.c. Andhras r the ancestors. Another thing is no body and no other states r better than telugus in culture and traditions.
you dont know nothing about history all you know some stories said by your grandma. history is bigger than your grandma.. so dont bark here..shooo
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#3388 May 2, 2014
Arey vinod fool,TELUGU is much older than tamil telugu was existed b4 400 b.c. Telugu words r mentioned in greek and prakrits. Did Any tamil or other languages words r mentioned in other texts. Its FAKE TAMIL which was created by north indian migrants to south later created a language by agasthya,sidhars with ownly created language and with native telugu and sanskrit influence called it a tamil language and writen gramer in it by north indians. After a language group called proto-dravidian language was named it by european muller and nazi. Its tamils whole tamil people who are the crossbreeds of andhras and rajputs of north india . In ancient south india at medieval india the tamils are less than half of telugu populations. ancient south india was packed with majority of telugus. Telugu state boundaries r covered upto bellary and bangalore dists in karnataka. Nanded and yavatmal in maharashtra. Totally tamilnadu was packed with half of telugus. Most of the tamils in andhra and kerala are sevage cleaners,toilet cleaners,agri labours,daily labours do any kind of slave works under telugus. Even In kerala. They call tamils as 'PANDIS' great and shooted title for tamils.
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#3389 May 2, 2014
u stated cm and politicians(non tamils) r govt servants elected by people, so why cant u empty brain fools wont elected ur tamils to lead ur brainless state bcoz u tamil fools r empty brained fools u dont have capacity any brain to lead ur state. If u elect ur tamils they will make ur state as a begging state already ur tamil rural areas r just like drainages.
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#3390 May 2, 2014
How politicians ruling the present tamilnadu, sameway ancient tamil areas was ruled by rajputs,north indians and andhras
Neelakaran

Villupuram, India

#3391 May 2, 2014
Naveen kumar wrote:
u stated cm and politicians(non tamils) r govt servants elected by people, so why cant u empty brain fools wont elected ur tamils to lead ur brainless state bcoz u tamil fools r empty brained fools u dont have capacity any brain to lead ur state. If u elect ur tamils they will make ur state as a begging state already ur tamil rural areas r just like drainages.
Ahem... Pondicherry is my hometown and it was always ruled by Tamil politicians, event the present chief minister N.Rangaswamy is a pure Tamil.

BTW, you have skipped two of my comments above. Pls go back and read them.

1. You owe me an apology
2. You said Telugu is daughter of Sanskrit.
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#3393 May 2, 2014
Vinod fool, u stated cinemas r just for time pass then why u tamil fools builded temples for heroines and offered prayers to them. what kind of prayers? U also said ur lame stupid tamil movies r better than telugu, listen: most of ur tamil movies, song lyrics r remaked and dubbed telugu movies, many programes in tamil tv channels r copy from telugu tv channels. U fools uses the heroines from TFI WHOM were used and thrown out TFI. Most of the actors and actresses got the fame in cine industry after acting in telugu movies. Most of the actors and actress acting bollywood got fame after acting in TOLLYWOOD. Ur tamil cinema collections r more bcoz u fools r mad in FILMS, Tickets rates in TN are very costly. More than 90% of telugu fims from south india telecasting in all hindi channels.bcoz telugu movies r great. Remaining 10% are from tamil,kannada and malayalam. more than 70% of remaked movies in bengali, bhopuri,oriya are from telugu movies.many telugu movies r remaked in kannada and other languages. Whole north indians loves our movies and heroes bcoz we r talented . Telugu heroes r more& more popular than lame tamil heroes,nobody like ur tamil heroes and movies. North indians knows about only one tamil hero that is rajini kanth that too he is a marathi, what a shameless history tamils have?always depends on others
Neelakaran

Villupuram, India

#3394 May 2, 2014
Naveen, are you purposely evading my comments?
Tamil

Chennai, India

#3395 May 2, 2014
Neelakaran wrote:
<quoted text>
Ahem... Pondicherry is my hometown and it was always ruled by Tamil politicians, event the present chief minister N.Rangaswamy is a pure Tamil.
BTW, you have skipped two of my comments above. Pls go back and read them.
1. You owe me an apology
2. You said Telugu is daughter of Sanskrit.
Bro, just ignore, he isnt worth replying, he lies, and he is repeating same statements even after we did gave enough proofs, dont waste your time.he knows everything but he wont accept it. he hates tamils.
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#3396 May 2, 2014
Vinod S wrote:
<quoted text>
At the time of pallavas there was no language called telugu it was only Tamil and sanskrit and it it nowhere mentioned that telugu was spoken at that time. you people are the cross breeds of Mughals, Tamils, Rajputs, Most of the telugus are barbers, goltis, thotis, and devadasis(Used for entertainment by Tamils, Rajputs and Mughals etc) that is why telugu people breeded like flies. one thing you have to take to your empty brain is that the CMs and politicians are not our leader, they are the govt servent and are elected by people to serve.in this topic u fcking pull the cinemas why? they are just for time pass and for the entertainment. note:even monkeys dancing on the street entertain us.. monkeys entertainment is far more better than your telugu movies. none of the temples in tn are built by Nayaks and these nayaks were called for erection work for Madurai meenatchi and many have contributed for the construction of the temple including Thevars and Nayakas and the credit goes to the tamil king Kulasekara Pandian who actually built the temple. Nayakas are actually Kannada and Krishnadevaraya is a Mangalorean and belongs to Tuluva community where are your telugus here.. you people too built the temple for an italian and offered the prayer.and iam sure Temple for Chidambaram and Veerapa moili will be built in your land.ah ah ah ah we are very proud that the tamilian is also responsible for andra separation.when we have very rich and great literatures and you telugu is yesterdays language with no literatures. and script borrowed from Kannada and the language is the combination of Tamil, Sanskrit and Arabic and hindi etc etc.. thats telugu...
fool, NAYAKS r the people of 11 th century in telanana areas. Nayaks are the armies of kakatiya kingdom. After the invasions of mughals nayaks migrated to vijayanagara empire and karnataka regions and builted temples there. Krishnadevaraya belong to tuluva, tulu is the language formed by nayaks in karnataka borders. Tulu was the mix of telugu and kannada originated after 15th century a.d. Sri krishna devaraya is a nayak who considered as king of vijayanagara. He himself wrote as telugu in history. Similiar temple architectures in kakatiya kingdom of 10th century c.e. And vijayanagara,karnataka,tamilna du like 1000 pillars and horse riding wariors etc.. Builted after 13th century c.e.
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#3397 May 2, 2014
Vinod S wrote:
<quoted text>
At the time of pallavas there was no language called telugu it was only Tamil and sanskrit and it it nowhere mentioned that telugu was spoken at that time. you people are the cross breeds of Mughals, Tamils, Rajputs, Most of the telugus are barbers, goltis, thotis, and devadasis(Used for entertainment by Tamils, Rajputs and Mughals etc) that is why telugu people breeded like flies. one thing you have to take to your empty brain is that the CMs and politicians are not our leader, they are the govt servent and are elected by people to serve.in this topic u fcking pull the cinemas why? they are just for time pass and for the entertainment. note:even monkeys dancing on the street entertain us.. monkeys entertainment is far more better than your telugu movies. none of the temples in tn are built by Nayaks and these nayaks were called for erection work for Madurai meenatchi and many have contributed for the construction of the temple including Thevars and Nayakas and the credit goes to the tamil king Kulasekara Pandian who actually built the temple. Nayakas are actually Kannada and Krishnadevaraya is a Mangalorean and belongs to Tuluva community where are your telugus here.. you people too built the temple for an italian and offered the prayer.and iam sure Temple for Chidambaram and Veerapa moili will be built in your land.ah ah ah ah we are very proud that the tamilian is also responsible for andra separation.when we have very rich and great literatures and you telugu is yesterdays language with no literatures. and script borrowed from Kannada and the language is the combination of Tamil, Sanskrit and Arabic and hindi etc etc.. thats telugu...
show me tamil and tamilnadu history b4 300 b.c. Show me any tamil tribe or race in any ancient indian texts. Other wise u tamils r the crossbreed of andhras, ancient north indians,rajputs. Actually tamilnadu was formed with north indians and andhras

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