Which is the Oldest Indian Language? ...
Mahesh

Singapore, Singapore

#3263 Apr 28, 2014
Naveen kumar wrote:
<quoted text> the actual tamil people are north indians who migrated to south like agasthya ,18 sidhar families, 40000 vellalars, chola(vellalars of north india),pandyas(devars of north west india) cheras(north indians) the descendants of these peoples are pure tamils, the ancient tamil region belong to andhras, these north indians came from north india and merged with indegineous andhras and writen tamil literatures which has jain origins of north india,and patronised tamil and south andhras converted to tamils thats why u find black and white people in tn. The dark native tamil speaking people r descendants of andhras, more than 42%of medieval tn was formed with telugus, what about ancient andhras in tn? And pallavas comunities in tn ?many great people in tn are telugus, this shows which is oldest and who are ancient and natives, telugus r responsible for the history of tn.
Ada kopuranae un munchillla en pichankayai vaikka kazhutha kasmalam vendru maven vendru.
CIVAN

Dubai, UAE

#3264 Apr 28, 2014
Naveen kumar wrote:
<quoted text> actually there was nothing called tamil people and tamil race, tamil language was created by agasthya at 300 b.c. Same time ancient tamilnadu was not a populated area it was lightly covered by andhra people. After the migration of north indian empires to deep south, tamil was patronised at these regions then all south andhras r converted to tamil speaking people. Tamil and tamilnadu 300 b.c. There were no tamil tribes and races b4 300 b.c. There was nothing called tamil people. The native andhras and north indian empire comunities are converted tamil people. Tamil got influence from sanskrit and telugu from andhrapradesh bcoz sanskrit,prakrit and telugu r spoken in ancient andhrapradesh. Actually tamil was influenced by telugu and sanskrit from native andhras in tamilnadu regions. Telugu words r found only in tamil.telugu words r not found in kannada and malayalam bcoz tamil was influenced by telugu in ancient tamil regions that belong to andhras
COOL..........

FYI

The Sangam Period:

First Cankam between 9600 BCE to 5200 BCE.

The Sangam Age in South India is a landmark in her history. It was allegedly held in Old Madurai under the patronage of 89 Pandya kings. The Tamil Sangam was an academy of poets and bards who flourished in three different periods and in different places under the patronage of the Pandyan kings. A more likely proposition is Shiva being the head of the First Cankam as believed by others.Shiva (civan) in Tamil means 'the red one'.the first Sangam was attended by gods and legendary sages, and its seat was Ten Madurai. All the works of the first Sangam have perished.would put the First Cankam between 9600 BCE to 5200 BCE.Its function was to judge literary works and credit their worth. Later literary works like Iraiyanar Akaporul mention that 549 poets were members of it including Shiva, Murugan, Kuperan and seven Pandya kings.

The seat of the second Sangam was Kapatpuram -3700 BCEyears

The seat of the second Sangam was Kapatpuram, another capital of the Pandyas. It was attended by several poets and produced a large mass of literature, but only Tolkappiyam (the early Tamil grammar) has survived.The second Sangam idaichangam was convened in Kapatapuram. This Sangam lasted for 3700 years and had 59 members, with 3700 poets participating. There were 59 Pandiya kings starting from Vendercceliyan to Mudattirumaran were decedents and rulers of that period.

the third Sangam was the present Madurai.-roughly from 600 BCE to 300 AD

The seat of the third Sangam was the present Madurai. It has also produced vast litera­ture, but only a fraction of it has survived. It is this fraction which constitutes the extant body of Sangam literature. The Age of the Sangam is the age to which the Sangam literature belonged. The Sangam literature constitutes a mine of information on conditions of life around the beginning of the Christian era.the historical Third Cankam period which lasted roughly from 600 BCE to 300 AD.
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#3265 Apr 28, 2014
john wrote:
<quoted text>
you bloody son of bitch you don't talk about vellalars okay...it was the bhramin people who created the story that we migrated from north india....we are not north indians ...if we were north indians we would be speaking hindi or Sanskrit as the naidu and nayakars of Tamil nadu speak telgu...so you shut up son of Andhra bitch
u son of tamil slut, how can u speak hindi or sanskrit,ancient north indians also sanskrit speaking people like ancient south indians, after the creation of tamil language by agasthya with sanskrit and telugu influence. Then they writen the tamil gramer with sanskrit base and modified gramer from sanskrit literatures, if vellalars r not north indians then the tamil gramer datings also wrong datinngs
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#3266 Apr 28, 2014
Vinod S wrote:
<quoted text>
Your statement is meaningless... if telugu words are not found in kannada and malayalam.. then what is found ? Its tamil...
Telugu words are not found in Kannada and Vice versa..
telugu words are not found in Malayalam and Vice versa..
but all these languages(Kannada, Malayalam & Telugu) have Tamil influence...
can you give atleast one example or proof that Tamil has sanskrit influence.... i will really agree with you....at the same time you cannot deny that telugu is influenced with sanskrit...
Six base languages responsible for the formation of all the world languages....
1. Tamil
2.Sanskrit(No script and Dead Language)
3. Chinese
4. Hebrew
5. Latin
6. Arabic
from the above languages formed all the languages.. take for example. Telugu is the combination of Tamil, Sanskrit, Hindi and Arabic....
tamil was influenced by sanskrit and telugu. Some Telugu words are found in tamil but telugu words r not found in kannada and malayalam languages. The same Tamil words found in malayalam and kannada will not find in telugu . Tamil malayalam and kannada languages r similiar but telugu language is different to these 3 languages bcoz these tamil, kannada,and malayalam are born after telugu. Agasthya created tamil with some native telugu words and sanskrit influence. telugu wont have any hindi words
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#3267 Apr 28, 2014
Vinod S wrote:
<quoted text>
Your statement is meaningless... if telugu words are not found in kannada and malayalam.. then what is found ? Its tamil...
Telugu words are not found in Kannada and Vice versa..
telugu words are not found in Malayalam and Vice versa..
but all these languages(Kannada, Malayalam & Telugu) have Tamil influence...
can you give atleast one example or proof that Tamil has sanskrit influence.... i will really agree with you....at the same time you cannot deny that telugu is influenced with sanskrit...
Six base languages responsible for the formation of all the world languages....
1. Tamil
2.Sanskrit(No script and Dead Language)
3. Chinese
4. Hebrew
5. Latin
6. Arabic
from the above languages formed all the languages.. take for example. Telugu is the combination of Tamil, Sanskrit, Hindi and Arabic....
sanskrit is the mother of all world languages are derived from sanskrit. European and central asian languages r derived from sanskrit and founded by jews and zoroastrians who had their ancestory from india.
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#3268 Apr 28, 2014
Mahesh wrote:
<quoted text> Ada kopuranae un munchillla en pichankayai vaikka kazhutha kasmalam vendru maven vendru.
arey low iq multinamed fool,what happen why r u barking in tamil? Emayyindira gajji kukka ne draidrapu kaddu ne donga mundakoduka em matladuthunnavube englishla rayube gajji kukka
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#3269 Apr 28, 2014
CIVAN wrote:
<quoted text>
COOL..........
FYI
The Sangam Period:
First Cankam between 9600 BCE to 5200 BCE.
The Sangam Age in South India is a landmark in her history. It was allegedly held in Old Madurai under the patronage of 89 Pandya kings. The Tamil Sangam was an academy of poets and bards who flourished in three different periods and in different places under the patronage of the Pandyan kings. A more likely proposition is Shiva being the head of the First Cankam as believed by others.Shiva (civan) in Tamil means 'the red one'.the first Sangam was attended by gods and legendary sages, and its seat was Ten Madurai. All the works of the first Sangam have perished.would put the First Cankam between 9600 BCE to 5200 BCE.Its function was to judge literary works and credit their worth. Later literary works like Iraiyanar Akaporul mention that 549 poets were members of it including Shiva, Murugan, Kuperan and seven Pandya kings.
The seat of the second Sangam was Kapatpuram -3700 BCEyears
The seat of the second Sangam was Kapatpuram, another capital of the Pandyas. It was attended by several poets and produced a large mass of literature, but only Tolkappiyam (the early Tamil grammar) has survived.The second Sangam idaichangam was convened in Kapatapuram. This Sangam lasted for 3700 years and had 59 members, with 3700 poets participating. There were 59 Pandiya kings starting from Vendercceliyan to Mudattirumaran were decedents and rulers of that period.
the third Sangam was the present Madurai.-roughly from 600 BCE to 300 AD
The seat of the third Sangam was the present Madurai. It has also produced vast litera­ture, but only a fraction of it has survived. It is this fraction which constitutes the extant body of Sangam literature. The Age of the Sangam is the age to which the Sangam literature belonged. The Sangam literature constitutes a mine of information on conditions of life around the beginning of the Christian era.the historical Third Cankam period which lasted roughly from 600 BCE to 300 AD.
FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL .......... FYI... Dont tell fanatic stories which created by ur ancestors. Tamil and tamilnadu civilization only 300 b.c. Formed by north indians and native south andhras. Even u r calling sangam as cankam even sangam is not a tamil origin word. Even in tamil grammer nowhere we couldnot find a word called sangam. U tamil fools changed all the sanskrit names into tamil and claiming those words as tamil words, infact the sangam grammer datings r false and wrong datings by tamils. roflol...... Tamil is joke and tamilnadu is fake
Neelakaran

Bangalore, India

#3270 Apr 28, 2014
Naveen kumar wrote:
<quoted text> acording to hitler theory as aryan as a race,it means all the indians(followers of sanatana dharma culture,traditions,gods) are aryans bcoz of our culture and traditions and for our earliest inventions and discoveries for which we given to the world like engineering,mathematics,astron omy,science,medicine,yoga,ayur veda,martial arts, etc........ Infact religions are founded and derived by indians like languages for ex;budha(budhism) b.c. 500 vardhmana mahavira(jainism) b.c 500 gurunanak(sikhism) a.d. 1400, yesu a jew from ancient indian region descendant after the death of jesus christ estd(christianity) islam had their origin from indians muhamad(islam)600 a.d. Etc.... Chandra gupta maurya conquered upto central asia iran,kirgistan etc.. Had the chances to spread indian cultures,and literature similarities etc. At 400 b.c. By bodhi dharma and gautama budha etc.... Spread indian similarities in culture etc....
FYI...

There is a great similarity between the Hinduism and Early European Pagan religions. The are all polytheistic. The ancient Greece, Italy, Egypt, and North India all had polytheistic religions. The only religion which survived this long was Indians' Hinduism and most to the European Pagan religions are abolished by early Pope and the Roman empires.

But Tamils had a different system, their religion was different. This is entirely different topic which I would not like to discuss here as it is vast like ocean. The present Hinduism is actually a cross of Tamils' religion and Arya's religion.

The Germans revere Sanskrit for yet another reason -> It is an Aryan's language and Aryans' origin trace back to Germany/ Central Europe.
Neelakaran

Bangalore, India

#3271 Apr 28, 2014
Naveen kumar wrote:
<quoted text> the actual tamil people are north indians who migrated to south like agasthya ,18 sidhar families, 40000 vellalars, chola(vellalars of north india),pandyas(devars of north west india) cheras(north indians) the descendants of these peoples are pure tamils, the ancient tamil region belong to andhras, these north indians came from north india and merged with indegineous andhras and writen tamil literatures which has jain origins of north india,and patronised tamil and south andhras converted to tamils thats why u find black and white people in tn. The dark native tamil speaking people r descendants of andhras, more than 42%of medieval tn was formed with telugus, what about ancient andhras in tn? And pallavas comunities in tn ?many great people in tn are telugus, this shows which is oldest and who are ancient and natives, telugus r responsible for the history of tn.
Only the Tamil people are black and not Andhra people. As many here know (if you don't then learn this) the Tamils have major DNA similarities with the Africans. The Africans, Tamils are all original black. Your claim that Andhra people are black is entirely false.

Now try to answer my question. Who would have sired fair brown skinned babies?
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#3273 Apr 28, 2014
Neelakaran wrote:
<quoted text>
FYI...
There is a great similarity between the Hinduism and Early European Pagan religions. The are all polytheistic. The ancient Greece, Italy, Egypt, and North India all had polytheistic religions. The only religion which survived this long was Indians' Hinduism and most to the European Pagan religions are abolished by early Pope and the Roman empires.
But Tamils had a different system, their religion was different. This is entirely different topic which I would not like to discuss here as it is vast like ocean. The present Hinduism is actually a cross of Tamils' religion and Arya's religion.
The Germans revere Sanskrit for yet another reason -> It is an Aryan's language and Aryans' origin trace back to Germany/ Central Europe.
hinduism/sanatana dharma was much older than pagan gods and paganism of europe. Sanskrit was originated in india. Aryan invasion theory was fake theory never hapened in history of world. Aryan a word didn't mentioned in any veda. The word arya was only mentioned in vedas. The word arya was used in vedas while respecting or praising a great warior like rama,arjuna etc.... Paganism and pagan gods were created by jews or early indian migrants there are enough proofs about the origin of ancient religions and their founders and languages all derived from ancient india called bharatavarsha enough proofs are available in the european and greek literatures about ancient indian history. Infact european languages r not similiar to sanskrit words. If u think or u believe show me any similarity between sanskrit and european languages. Aryan invasion theory was wrong.only Indian migrations r true bcoz the indian history tells that
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#3274 Apr 28, 2014
Neelakaran wrote:
<quoted text>
Only the Tamil people are black and not Andhra people. As many here know (if you don't then learn this) the Tamils have major DNA similarities with the Africans. The Africans, Tamils are all original black. Your claim that Andhra people are black is entirely false.
Now try to answer my question. Who would have sired fair brown skinned babies?
if u say like that means the human race was originated in africa and earlman migrated to entire world b4 civilization was born. Dna can change due to diferent climate conditions and for the food the people eat. U tamil people r black bcoz of tamilnadu climate,u tamils also look like north indians but u looks black.If u remove black skin and put white skin to ur body u also looks similiar to north indian people bcoz half of tamils r north indians more than half people r origins of andhra in tamilnadu. u might think andhras r white bcoz of movies, come and watch in andhra, andhrapradesh people r just whiter than tamils bcoz andhra is above tamilnadu
miller

Ashburn, VA

#3275 Apr 28, 2014
stupid mama f**king Indians ........here alot of Indians fighting abt languages .......dats OK , if you hav dat much of language feeling ......why u all of mentioned the English ...........blady f**king Indians shit....ur Indians does not have right to speak in English ........when you get it out the language feeling....
miller

Ashburn, VA

#3276 Apr 28, 2014
ya when I searches regard of Hindi,Tamil,Telugu ,& etc peoples ....most of the Tamils are seems to be like like a Africans n pure black gorillas what a similer between Africans n Tamils...n after DAT hindi peoples looks like white n Arabian colour n Telugus r the mixed colour, somes looks white brownish colours......
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#3277 Apr 28, 2014
miller wrote:
stupid mama f**king Indians ........here alot of Indians fighting abt languages .......dats OK , if you hav dat much of language feeling ......why u all of mentioned the English ..........blady f**king Indians shit....ur Indians does not have right to speak in English ........when you get it out the language feeling....
i dont know about u, whether u r english or other religion fool. English is not created by ur father u dont have a right to say this to us,english is the mixture of all world languages even sanskrit and other indian languages. All world languages r derived from sanskrit
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#3278 Apr 28, 2014
miller wrote:
stupid mama f**king Indians ........here alot of Indians fighting abt languages .......dats OK , if you hav dat much of language feeling ......why u all of mentioned the English ..........blady f**king Indians shit....ur Indians does not have right to speak in English ........when you get it out the language feeling....
english is the mixture of sanskrit,other indian languages and other world languages
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#3279 Apr 28, 2014
To all people; Colour in people due to the different climate conditions. Tamil facial features look like north indians bcoz i saw many people in tamilnadu. if they have white skin they look like north indians bcoz the early tamils r migrated from north india. North india climate is diferent so north indians looks white in colour, kashmir people r whiter than other north indians bcoz of climate, pakistanis r whiter than north indians,afghans r whiter than pakistanis, central asians r whiter than down countries, rusians r whiter than central asians, colour in skin due to climate conditions, but the facial features and height and personalities r similiar in india. Some muslim indians r white as arabs in north india and their features r diferent bcoz they r muslims of central asia. Some present south indians r remained in some brown skin colour bcoz now a days a human is not staying under the sun through the day thats why they r saving their skin colour.but the ancient tamils when migrated from north they r in white colour later they lost their colour under sun through the day bcoz that time there were no technology and enough facilites to live or maintain skin colour, even in present south india some brown skin colour people becoming black due to the loss of melanin in skin. Some families r maintaining same colour bcoz of no loss of melanin. Some skins r heavily exposed to sunlight and lost its colour. I have seen some black parents given birth to white babies after they grown their skin colour is white. I have seen many brown skined people given birth to black babies. The people become black and white and some maintain their family colour bcoz of types of skin. What ever the fact is south indians r blacker than north bcoz of climate, southasians r whiter than north indians, central asians r whiter than south asians, europeans r whiter than central asians bcoz of climate. If u talk about the human race all the early human race was originated and migrated from africa. After the migrations in various places the body and facial features are changed acording to climate and food they eat. Later human civilization was born
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#3280 Apr 28, 2014
Some people r brown and black in south bcoz the melanin deficiency in skin make them black.melanin present in skin doesn't lost their colour much, the actual colour for south indian climate is black and brown. The actual colour remains in north indian climate is light skin than south india. The central asian skin is whiter than north indians. European skin is much whiter red skin than arabs. If u tamils go and live in north india for hundreds of years. after hundreds of years ur family younger generation skin also turns into fair bcoz of climate. But the melanin deficiency present in any part of the world that make some people to not become much fairer even in north india but u equally becomes fairer like north indians after a long time. once My relative was in medium colour he went to london for study and job purpos.he returned after 1 and half year he skin become very fairer white after one and half year. Skin colour changes due to climate. If u tamils cant understand no body could do nothing for ur psychic problem
Dan Marks

Fullerton, CA

#3281 Apr 28, 2014
Everyone by now should know that Tamil is the oldest language compared to Sanskrit. There are lot of archeological evidence to prove the same (now please don't come here and ask for archeological evidence search in internet you will find, we can also find Sanskrit as oldest but those are framed and not authentic). People who say Sanskrit is the oldest doesn't make any sense. I can see a lot of hatred speech against Tamil don't know why. Yes of course Tamil language is a raw barbaric language because it is the base, where you won't find any rythimic completion but still you can make it out. Sanskrit, is formed out of Tamil and these continuous phonotics letter where given to make it sound better. The best example in current day, is English, as in every 6 or more months a new word is being added to English dictionary to make the language comfortable and universal. Smple example of words being added to English is with the evolution of Social sites you can see new words and terms like LOL , selfie etc etc. these words are not in English before some 10 years, but now these words are the soul for many teenagers and other social site frantic.
Lets consider this these social site words are not added to English Language and in another 1000 years it becomes a separate Language Say Facenglish. Then after some 1000 years of usage of this Facenglish seperately and little bit of extinction of current day English another debate will come stating Is English Older or Facenglish older. This is what is this current debate is about all about. Faceenglish is Sanskrit. English is Tamil.
It's all about improvising. Sanskrit is an improvised version of Tamil, you have to accept the fact. And to those guys who think ill and speak ill about Tamil Language, i mean come on guys get a life. Give Respect To this Language. India should be Proud that Tamil is one of your Language. Man this is why many Indians are not respected outside India. If they can't respect the world's most beautiful things within their own country, how can they respect things of other countries. You Indians still need to grow up
CIVAN

Dubai, UAE

#3282 Apr 29, 2014
Naveen kumar wrote:
<quoted text> Fool, why r u talking about the last ice age, tamil and tamilnadu 300 b.c. Only created and formed by north indians. Tamil means north indian created language not the oldest or not native language of ancient south india. Ancient south indian languages r sanskrit,andhra prakrit and telugu. The submerged cities wont belong to tamil no evidences found about tamil. Tamil is not a much oldest language. Tamil was created by north indians at 300 b.c. With sanskrit and telugu influence from andhrapradesh. Oldest indian languages from 1700 b.c. To 600 b.c. Are all sanskrits,all prakrits,old indic languages, pali, telugu . Followed by tamil 300 b.c. Kannada 100 a.d. Tamil was formed at 300 b.c. Created by agasthya
Cool..........

FYI & A,

First Who is F___?

Graham Hancock's Research on the lost tamil port city poompuhar ( 17000 BC to 7000 BC at ICE Age )

http://www.grahamhancock.com/archive/underwor ...

Eviedence by Non Tamil , We not paid any money ... The World Research People Accept Tamil Is Classical Civization & Oldest language in India .

Note : SansKrit - No Native Script . It is oral Language , Brith place is Now Iran ( Arya).

Indian (SANSKRIT) Goverment approved Indian Oldest Language is Tamil 2010 .

Do not write wrong Statement .
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#3283 Apr 29, 2014
CIVAN wrote:
<quoted text>
Cool..........
FYI & A,
First Who is F___?
Graham Hancock's Research on the lost tamil port city poompuhar ( 17000 BC to 7000 BC at ICE Age )
http://www.grahamhancock.com/archive/underwor ...
Eviedence by Non Tamil , We not paid any money ... The World Research People Accept Tamil Is Classical Civization & Oldest language in India .
Note : SansKrit - No Native Script . It is oral Language , Brith place is Now Iran ( Arya).
Indian (SANSKRIT) Goverment approved Indian Oldest Language is Tamil 2010 .
Do not write wrong Statement .
aryan is not a race, arya a word picked up from sanskrit and named it as a race by european fools, arya means noble no similarities found between sanskrit and any other countries languages like europe and iran, its a fake theory. Arya a famous popular word of ancient india might spread to other countries by indian philosophers like jews,zoroastrians, mauryan empires b4 400 b.c. Conquere upto central asia 50 lakh sq km upto saudiarabia,gautama budha,bodhi dharma etc.and by descendants of ancient native indians. Aryan is not mentioned in any vedas. only the word ARYA was mentioned in vedas meaning noble good person . Aryan is not a race at all. Iranians had their ancestory from indians

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