Which is the Oldest Indian Language? ...
wisdom tree

New Delhi, India

#2314 Feb 25, 2014
tamil wrote:
<quoted text>i agree with you, as far as etymology is concern tamil is close to proto-dravidian language than telegu and kannada, both telegu and kannada are greatly influenced by sanskrit or prakrit
Telugu and Kannada are not gently influenced by Sanskrit they are highly influenced by Sanskrit . But that s in terms of script the grammar but the basic vocabulary is still the same that is why the 4 languages are related its sad to see brothers fighting over who s eldest .
wisdom tree

New Delhi, India

#2316 Feb 25, 2014
Mudaliar wrote:
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widom tree---S ?missing ,true no wisdom and a parrot like statements, need to give scientific proofs and not opinions based on old and rejected theory.
Sir r u the moderator? If u find it useless please remove it . I don 've to give proof for all this read 6th to 12std ncert textbook you'll get it if you haven't been to a cbse school they have textbooks on ncert . Nic . In u can read Der . These theories are the reason you ppl even know about your history don call them outdated because if these theories weren't proved Ur history would 've been an assumption . For every small thing found in the sea if u get excited good for u .they are finding it in Indian ocean from the nineteen ninteys but till now not a single piece confirmed to be in the bc era it's very nice of u to be proud of Ur language but please be sensible enough Wat to believe
I might not be wise but I'm not jumping to any conclusions UN like many of u here
wisdom tree

New Delhi, India

#2317 Feb 25, 2014
Davie45 wrote:
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You put it better than me oh wise one ! But came to same answer, Africa is the mother country of the human race.
People are very passionate of their language and religion in India it's very hard to see the truth when your blinded by passion so it needs a little beating around the bush to convey the message . LOL
tamil

Chennai, India

#2318 Feb 25, 2014
wisdom tree wrote:
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Telugu and Kannada are not gently influenced by Sanskrit they are highly influenced by Sanskrit . But that s in terms of script the grammar but the basic vocabulary is still the same that is why the 4 languages are related its sad to see brothers fighting over who s eldest .
thats true,but its after all language is identity in india
tamil

Chennai, India

#2319 Feb 25, 2014
wisdom tree wrote:
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Sir your speaking of the research being done from the 90s and it's not about KumarI kandam the archeologists have found various artifacts which look like Tamil Brahmi but it cannot be dated accurately and Ur Kumar kandam doesnt join Egypt . It's in the Indian ocean . And it's very obvious that u will find in Egypt because of the trade and communications between the Indus valley and egytian civilizations .proving the fact that Indus civilization s a Dravidian civilization. Talking about 21 century discoveries perhaps u would 've heard of pottery being found in Iran which dates back to ten thousand bc the oldest dated artifact again shifting the debate wether Mesopotamia or Indus s the cradle of civilization . It's scientifically proven there s no KumarI kandam if kumari kandam was true then there would be no Himalayas or western goats because the tectonic plates don shift how the Sanger literature wants it to . There s no proof at all of Kumar kandam it's blasphemy . I say Sanskrit is older simply because Mesopotamia s closer than Indus to Africa. And we all have one common genetic strain in all humans which proves that we have come from one human from one place . Mother Africa .
there is theory of summerians are dravidians they followed indian tradition of marrying first cousins and living with family after marriage and their language is much close to proto-dravidian language,it was very well explianed in Dr.logonathan's thesis sumerio tamil, if that theory is proven, kumarikandam will be debunked and it also proved human migration from africa through red sea
wisdom tree

New Delhi, India

#2320 Feb 25, 2014
tamil wrote:
<quoted text>there is theory of summerians are dravidians they followed indian tradition of marrying first cousins and living with family after marriage and their language is much close to proto-dravidian language,it was very well explianed in Dr.logonathan's thesis sumerio tamil, if that theory is proven, kumarikandam will be debunked and it also proved human migration from africa through red sea
Your very good Tamil . The act of marrying first cousins s practised in south India and is the oldest known form of marriage and even the property s given from uncle to nephew which was followed in south India but not anymore . The language of the Sumerian is unknown if we knew there would be no mystery we would know for sure which language led to which
But I feel even though we find this link we cannot establish KumarI kandam as humans migrated very close to the ice age before or after Is still speculatd so ice bridged the gap which the sea created this theory is oly used in Europe Japan and US because the tribes of the US unanimously said they came from the north . But not in case of us as we migrated along the coast line
wisdom tree

New Delhi, India

#2321 Feb 25, 2014
tamil wrote:
<quoted text>thats true,but its after all language is identity in india
Very true language is definitely an identity but Dravidian speakers quarreling among their own s really demeaning for your tribe you people must be united
India is a diverse country and everyone must accommodate eachother .
We are Indians first
I noe your Dravidian languages are older than this country but u must live in the present and remain united ad Indians
mahavir

Bangalore, India

#2322 Feb 25, 2014
Tamil is old but not the oldest language Proto dravidian language is niether tamil, kannada or telugu .Harappan people are described Dahas(Dasyus) in Rig Veda .The word Dravidian was first employed by Robert Caldwell The word `dravida or dramila' does not occur anywhere in the Vedas or early literature .The fact is that no part of Tamil History has recorded Harappan in any Literary work until it was rediscovered so Harappans did not speak tamil. Harappans spoke an unknown language and they were followers of Sramana tradition.

Sanskrit is mixture of Avestan and Prakrit. The language of the Vedas was referred to as Chandasa even by Panini himself Chandasa is very similar to Avestan langauge Prakrit is older than Sanskrit,The first inscriptions in Indian history are in Prakrit and not in Sanskrit. Sanskrit had no script was never a spoken language it was used only for religious purposes Sanskrit became prominent during the Gupta period Bramhins succeeded to establish the theory that Sanskrit was pure/ divine language. Logically speaking, all the spoken and written languages in the world are made by human beings only .Language is always changing, evolving and adapting to the needs of its users.so this pure/divine just a myth created by. Bramhins to make the masses fools and take benefits of it.

Some fools here will never accept facts and can't argue based on facts let them be in denial but facts are facts
wisdom tree

New Delhi, India

#2323 Feb 25, 2014
tamil wrote:
<quoted text>there is theory of summerians are dravidians they followed indian tradition of marrying first cousins and living with family after marriage and their language is much close to proto-dravidian language,it was very well explianed in Dr.logonathan's thesis sumerio tamil, if that theory is proven, kumarikandam will be debunked and it also proved human migration from africa through red sea
One more interesting bit if u ever visit Kerala they have this famous annual fire festival where they chant mantras these mantras ardent not found in any of the Vedas they are done for spirits and chants are passed down orally from father to son and it's observed that there was bird sounds being used animal sounds as a part of the chants it also included a few tulu words meaning come take etc along with a completely different language of sounds people are not allowed to record it as Kerala s very orthodox wonder what they are chanting very intriguing
tamil

Chennai, India

#2324 Feb 25, 2014
wisdom tree wrote:
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Your very good Tamil . The act of marrying first cousins s practised in south India and is the oldest known form of marriage and even the property s given from uncle to nephew which was followed in south India but not anymore . The language of the Sumerian is unknown if we knew there would be no mystery we would know for sure which language led to which
But I feel even though we find this link we cannot establish KumarI kandam as humans migrated very close to the ice age before or after Is still speculatd so ice bridged the gap which the sea created this theory is oly used in Europe Japan and US because the tribes of the US unanimously said they came from the north . But not in case of us as we migrated along the coast line
i think we could establish something, summeria could be dravidian civilisation and later misundertood as kumarikandam where the first sangham took place,if summeria was older than indus,we could understand south migration because sumer and indus have some common things likes charriot,plough farmming,traditions etc, just a speculation. this could debunk aryan theory,kumarikandam etc
Mudaliar

Bangalore, India

#2325 Feb 25, 2014
wisdom tree wrote:
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Sir r u the moderator? If u find it useless please remove it . I don 've to give proof for all this read 6th to 12std ncert textbook you'll get it if you haven't been to a cbse school they have textbooks on ncert . Nic . In u can read Der . These theories are the reason you ppl even know about your history don call them outdated because if these theories weren't proved Ur history would 've been an assumption . For every small thing found in the sea if u get excited good for u .they are finding it in Indian ocean from the nineteen ninteys but till now not a single piece confirmed to be in the bc era it's very nice of u to be proud of Ur language but please be sensible enough Wat to believe
I might not be wise but I'm not jumping to any conclusions UN like many of u here
No I am not the moderator.But the topic is for scientific proofs . I do read on both Euro and Greek as well as non Euro and non Greek centric views and try to follow through with latest research reports and controversial Blogs on history.
I have provided links in the past and invited constructive arguments including on the the status of ^INDIAN^ identity.
Facts

Ashburn, VA

#2326 Feb 25, 2014
Indus valley civilization harappa and mohenjodaro might belong to ramayana and mahabharata tribes,indus valley civilization might be older than 3500 b.c. The datings might be given incorrect by archeologists,indus may belongs to the periods of dwaraka
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#2327 Feb 25, 2014
Davie45 wrote:
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You put it better than me oh wise one ! But came to same answer, Africa is the mother country of the human race.
how can u say the africa is that only country for human origin fool?
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#2328 Feb 25, 2014
Davie45 wrote:
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You put it better than me oh wise one ! But came to same answer, Africa is the mother country of the human race.
did u mean all the living creatures like animals,sea creatures,insects everything migrated from africa?
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#2329 Feb 25, 2014
Davie45 wrote:
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You put it better than me oh wise one ! But came to same answer, Africa is the mother country of the human race.
there is definite possibility of human origin in every part of the world not only from africa
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#2330 Feb 25, 2014
Davie45 wrote:
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You put it better than me oh wise one ! But came to same answer, Africa is the mother country of the human race.
the land earth is suitable for every living creatures in every part of world,human also a social animal not a machine
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#2331 Feb 25, 2014
Davie45 wrote:
<quoted text>
You put it better than me oh wise one ! But came to same answer, Africa is the mother country of the human race.
its never possible to say the human origin by the humans,bcoz every animals,tress,insects,all living beings originates in all parts of world,sameway human race is also originate in all parts of world
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#2332 Feb 25, 2014
Davie45 wrote:
<quoted text>
You put it better than me oh wise one ! But came to same answer, Africa is the mother country of the human race.
again dont talk about human origin,bcoz humans r not supernatural powers or gods to confirm the human origin by creating some foolish theories
Naveen kumar

Ashburn, VA

#2333 Feb 25, 2014
Humans r originates in every parts of the world,for ex;u can see bengal tigers only in india and u see different tiger races in different parts of the world,u can see different races in other animals too in the workd,u might come with the logic of animal merging or sex to produce new race,another ex;take some egg laying birds like hens they dont have any kind of sex,u can see different hen races, bird races in india,and in all the world too,it means earth has produced the human races in ancient world.the humans,animals,all living creatures,trees created by required elements from earth,u might not agree to me but this is true
CIVAN

Dubai, UAE

#2334 Feb 25, 2014
Naveen kumar wrote:
<quoted text> north indian kingdom in tn pandya 500 b.c. Vs andhra kingdom ashmaka before 800 b.c.. Andhras tribe mentioned in every puranas,mahabharatha,ramayana vs tamil tribes did'nt mention in any texts.pallavas andhras founders of temple architectures vs no temples from tamil kingdoms in tn,f.....g history of tn which is totally shit
First andhra kingdom ashmaka used spoken language Pali & Prakrit not a TELUGU Language . U not say next time telugu kingdom.u do not know any histroy & simply writting ...

First of all Ashmaka Kingdom not a Telugu Kingdom .That time there is no Telugu Language ..

FYI,

The earliest epigraphic record of the Telugu language dates to the late 6th century CE.

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